Sanders planning "Major Speech" on democratic socialism

[Disir]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
.

It's 2015. Why does there need to be a national conversation at all?

Because there is a clear momentum for it, and the GOP ignores it at their peril.
.

The Socialist momentum happened before and outside of the Democrats. Right now, you have several candidates that are running around trying to implement little words whilst proclaiming their devotion to capitalism. How capitalist are you? Isn't that what was first queried at the almighty debates?

If you think that the Democrats are socialist then you have another thing coming. It willingly ignores the division between liberals and allows those Democrats that are asshats to continue elitist BS and maintain an oligarchy. The vast majority of Democrats are free market screwballs. Screw balls with a gold tooth smile.

So, here we are watching people jump through hoops because.......some people are not educated to what socialism is and intend to use it as a scare tactic and secondly to demonize, ostracize and radicalize the working class people and automatically jump into the ..................invisible arms attached to the invisible hand of the free market?

 

[DonaldFG]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

We have a huge economy, but I am not sure what the figure is today. The problem is that the flow of money is not distributed fairly. In other words, the average worker is vastly underpaid since about 1980, while the upper corporate management has taken sky rocketing profits.

If only a small tax were placed on Wall Street transactions for example, government revenue would gain billions.

Here is Bernie's plan. Issues - Bernie Sanders

 

[Disir]

I figured if there is an invisible hand then it has to be attached to an invisible arm. No. I don't want to keep going with that.

 

[martybegan]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

We have a huge economy, but I am not sure what the figure is today. The problem is that the flow of money is not distributed fairly. In other words, the average worker is vastly underpaid since about 1980, while the upper corporate management has taken sky rocketing profits.

If only a small tax were placed on Wall Street transactions for example, government revenue would gain billions.

Here is Bernie's plan. Issues - Bernie Sanders

it always starts out with "only a small tax".

Those new taxes will take a bite out of my 401k, and everyone else's just as much as it will punish the rich (which is obviously your overall goal).

Bernie is a pie in the sky socialist in a friendly old man wolf suit.

 

[Arianrhod]

Poor "conservatives"! Terrified of a word. So terrified they have to make up extra inaccurate definitions for it...

 

[RandomVariable]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

There are many elite capitalists out there who, if they could wave a magic wand and have all the hungry fed, would not do it. Much of the scarcity in this country is self-inflicted.

 

[RandomVariable]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

We have a huge economy, but I am not sure what the figure is today. The problem is that the flow of money is not distributed fairly. In other words, the average worker is vastly underpaid since about 1980, while the upper corporate management has taken sky rocketing profits.

If only a small tax were placed on Wall Street transactions for example, government revenue would gain billions.

Here is Bernie's plan. Issues - Bernie Sanders

it always starts out with "only a small tax".

Those new taxes will take a bite out of my 401k, and everyone else's just as much as it will punish the rich (which is obviously your overall goal).

Bernie is a pie in the sky socialist in a friendly old man wolf suit.

Your 401k? HA!!! Money this country puts into 401k's ends up in some rich guy's pocket.

Market goes up 40%, your 401k goes up 20%. "You were invested conservatively to protect against a downturn." Market goes down 15%, your 401k loses 30%. "You were aggressively positioned and the market went down." Odd. Same fund. Your 401k is someone else's piggy bank.

 

[martybegan]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

There are many elite capitalists out there who, if they could wave a magic wand and have all the hungry fed, would not do it. Much of the scarcity in this country is self-inflicted.

And many a progressive who wouldn't either, because it would nullify their targeted part of the electorate.

 

[martybegan]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

We have a huge economy, but I am not sure what the figure is today. The problem is that the flow of money is not distributed fairly. In other words, the average worker is vastly underpaid since about 1980, while the upper corporate management has taken sky rocketing profits.

If only a small tax were placed on Wall Street transactions for example, government revenue would gain billions.

Here is Bernie's plan. Issues - Bernie Sanders

it always starts out with "only a small tax".

Those new taxes will take a bite out of my 401k, and everyone else's just as much as it will punish the rich (which is obviously your overall goal).

Bernie is a pie in the sky socialist in a friendly old man wolf suit.

Your 401k? HA!!! Money this country puts into 401k's ends up in some rich guy's pocket.

Market goes up 40%, your 401k goes up 20%. "You were invested conservatively to protect against a downturn." Market goes down 15%, your 401k loses 30%. "You were aggressively positioned and the market went down." Odd. Same fund. Your 401k is someone else's piggy bank.

$226k in mine at age 40. As long as I spend a few hours once a quarter to manage the fund balance I am doing just hunky dorey.

 

[RandomVariable]

So mister RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE TO PAY FOR MORE FREEBIES socialist Sanders is in full back peddle/damage control mode.

Should have seen this coming.

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

There are many elite capitalists out there who, if they could wave a magic wand and have all the hungry fed, would not do it. Much of the scarcity in this country is self-inflicted.

And many a progressive who wouldn't either, because it would nullify their targeted part of the electorate.

Agreed. I would put Obama as one of those. Bernie Sanders is not however.

 

[The Rabbi]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
.

It's 2015. Why does there need to be a national conversation at all?

Because there is a clear momentum for it, and the GOP ignores it at their peril.
.

The Socialist momentum happened before and outside of the Democrats. Right now, you have several candidates that are running around trying to implement little words whilst proclaiming their devotion to capitalism. How capitalist are you? Isn't that what was first queried at the almighty debates?

If you think that the Democrats are socialist then you have another thing coming. It willingly ignores the division between liberals and allows those Democrats that are asshats to continue elitist BS and maintain an oligarchy. The vast majority of Democrats are free market screwballs. Screw balls with a gold tooth smile.

So, here we are watching people jump through hoops because.......some people are not educated to what socialism is and intend to use it as a scare tactic and secondly to demonize, ostracize and radicalize the working class people and automatically jump into the ..................invisible arms attached to the invisible hand of the free market?

If you think most Democrats are "free market" then your definition of free market must vary from the truth.

 

[RandomVariable]

Sanders will not raise taxes on everyone, only those who will not notice the tax due to their overabundance of wealth. In other words, the one percent mostly.

There isn't enough money up there to pay for everything he wants government to do. The middle/upper middle class will have to be taxed as well.

The typical progressive mantra of "let other people pay for it" continues. What can't continue is the idea that the money will never run out.

We have a huge economy, but I am not sure what the figure is today. The problem is that the flow of money is not distributed fairly. In other words, the average worker is vastly underpaid since about 1980, while the upper corporate management has taken sky rocketing profits.

If only a small tax were placed on Wall Street transactions for example, government revenue would gain billions.

Here is Bernie's plan. Issues - Bernie Sanders

it always starts out with "only a small tax".

Those new taxes will take a bite out of my 401k, and everyone else's just as much as it will punish the rich (which is obviously your overall goal).

Bernie is a pie in the sky socialist in a friendly old man wolf suit.

Your 401k? HA!!! Money this country puts into 401k's ends up in some rich guy's pocket.

Market goes up 40%, your 401k goes up 20%. "You were invested conservatively to protect against a downturn." Market goes down 15%, your 401k loses 30%. "You were aggressively positioned and the market went down." Odd. Same fund. Your 401k is someone else's piggy bank.

$226k in mine at age 40. As long as I spend a few hours once a quarter to manage the fund balance I am doing just hunky dorey.

Great for you. Keep believing that. The chances of you retiring comfortably on your 401k is about nil. They know exactly how old you are.

 

[The Rabbi]

Poor "conservatives"! Terrified of a word. So terrified they have to make up extra inaccurate definitions for it...

Were terrified of the word "Communism"? How about the word "Fascism"? No, we were not terrified. But we recognized the threat and fought vigorously against those proclaiming those words were the salvation of this country.

 

[Disir]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
.

It's 2015. Why does there need to be a national conversation at all?

Because there is a clear momentum for it, and the GOP ignores it at their peril.
.

The Socialist momentum happened before and outside of the Democrats. Right now, you have several candidates that are running around trying to implement little words whilst proclaiming their devotion to capitalism. How capitalist are you? Isn't that what was first queried at the almighty debates?

If you think that the Democrats are socialist then you have another thing coming. It willingly ignores the division between liberals and allows those Democrats that are asshats to continue elitist BS and maintain an oligarchy. The vast majority of Democrats are free market screwballs. Screw balls with a gold tooth smile.

So, here we are watching people jump through hoops because.......some people are not educated to what socialism is and intend to use it as a scare tactic and secondly to demonize, ostracize and radicalize the working class people and automatically jump into the ..................invisible arms attached to the invisible hand of the free market?

If you think most Democrats are "free market" then your definition of free market must vary from the truth.

You're not paying attention. They like that. Neoliberals. It allows them the ability to play it both ways.

 

[The Rabbi]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
.

It's 2015. Why does there need to be a national conversation at all?

Because there is a clear momentum for it, and the GOP ignores it at their peril.
.

The Socialist momentum happened before and outside of the Democrats. Right now, you have several candidates that are running around trying to implement little words whilst proclaiming their devotion to capitalism. How capitalist are you? Isn't that what was first queried at the almighty debates?

If you think that the Democrats are socialist then you have another thing coming. It willingly ignores the division between liberals and allows those Democrats that are asshats to continue elitist BS and maintain an oligarchy. The vast majority of Democrats are free market screwballs. Screw balls with a gold tooth smile.

So, here we are watching people jump through hoops because.......some people are not educated to what socialism is and intend to use it as a scare tactic and secondly to demonize, ostracize and radicalize the working class people and automatically jump into the ..................invisible arms attached to the invisible hand of the free market?

If you think most Democrats are "free market" then your definition of free market must vary from the truth.

You're not paying attention. They like that. Neoliberals. It allows them the ability to play it both ways.

You are simply eaten up with anger. Get help.

 

[Correll]

Poor "conservatives"! Terrified of a word. So terrified they have to make up extra inaccurate definitions for it...

Err, not so much the word as the idea and the policies that go with it.

And the consequences.

 

[depotoo]

Where We Stand: Building the Next Left

get it from the horses mouth, rather than the watered down version. It is just as most would suspect. Taking over industry, etc., as their main goal. You must read it all, to get to the real meat of it.

 

[Arianrhod]

Poor "conservatives"! Terrified of a word. So terrified they have to make up extra inaccurate definitions for it...

Were terrified of the word "Communism"? How about the word "Fascism"?

Yes, you were. Now you've replaced those fears with a one-size-fits-all word that does not mean what you think it means, and that blinds you to things you really should be concerned about.

But keep obsessing about the Big Scary WORD. That's how you lose elections.

 

[Disir]

It's 2015. Why does there need to be a national conversation at all?

Because there is a clear momentum for it, and the GOP ignores it at their peril.
.

The Socialist momentum happened before and outside of the Democrats. Right now, you have several candidates that are running around trying to implement little words whilst proclaiming their devotion to capitalism. How capitalist are you? Isn't that what was first queried at the almighty debates?

If you think that the Democrats are socialist then you have another thing coming. It willingly ignores the division between liberals and allows those Democrats that are asshats to continue elitist BS and maintain an oligarchy. The vast majority of Democrats are free market screwballs. Screw balls with a gold tooth smile.

So, here we are watching people jump through hoops because.......some people are not educated to what socialism is and intend to use it as a scare tactic and secondly to demonize, ostracize and radicalize the working class people and automatically jump into the ..................invisible arms attached to the invisible hand of the free market?

If you think most Democrats are "free market" then your definition of free market must vary from the truth.

You're not paying attention. They like that. Neoliberals. It allows them the ability to play it both ways.

You are simply eaten up with anger. Get help.

It's 2015. Why does there need to be a national conversation at all?

Because there is a clear momentum for it, and the GOP ignores it at their peril.
.

The Socialist momentum happened before and outside of the Democrats. Right now, you have several candidates that are running around trying to implement little words whilst proclaiming their devotion to capitalism. How capitalist are you? Isn't that what was first queried at the almighty debates?

If you think that the Democrats are socialist then you have another thing coming. It willingly ignores the division between liberals and allows those Democrats that are asshats to continue elitist BS and maintain an oligarchy. The vast majority of Democrats are free market screwballs. Screw balls with a gold tooth smile.

So, here we are watching people jump through hoops because.......some people are not educated to what socialism is and intend to use it as a scare tactic and secondly to demonize, ostracize and radicalize the working class people and automatically jump into the ..................invisible arms attached to the invisible hand of the free market?

If you think most Democrats are "free market" then your definition of free market must vary from the truth.

You're not paying attention. They like that. Neoliberals. It allows them the ability to play it both ways.

You are simply eaten up with anger. Get help.

No. I'm irritated by spin.

 

[g5000]

National Democratic Socialism=Nazism.
Sanders is in favor of Nazism without its xenophobic elements.

That's like saying Colonel Sanders is in favor of fried chicken without the legs, thighs, or breasts.

Nice try.