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Someone on the board posted an item today alleging Saudi is selling about 10% of fits oil in non-US dollars. If that is true, the same policy didn't turn out too well for Saddam and Gaddafi. I don't think any of us can imagine how this will turn out, and even if one of us did, the rest of us would die laughing.30,000 Saudi troops are being deployed near the Iraq border, I see many posters writing the US should stay out, but it does appear ISIS is unconcerned with petroleum profits. Thus, when will the US get involved?
Saudi Arabia bolsters border as Iraq breaks apart - CBS News
Someone on the board posted an item today alleging Saudi is selling about 10% of fits oil in non-US dollars. If that is true, the same policy didn't turn out too well for Saddam and Gaddafi. I don't think any of us can imagine how this will turn out, and even if one of us did, the rest of us would die laughing.30,000 Saudi troops are being deployed near the Iraq border, I see many posters writing the US should stay out, but it does appear ISIS is unconcerned with petroleum profits. Thus, when will the US get involved?
Saudi Arabia bolsters border as Iraq breaks apart - CBS News
30,000 Saudi troops are being deployed near the Iraq border, I see many posters writing the US should stay out, but it does appear ISIS is unconcerned with petroleum profits. Thus, when will the US get involved?
Saudi Arabia bolsters border as Iraq breaks apart - CBS News
If Saudi Royals had to choose between their religion and their money, it might topple the Kingdom. I'm sure the Pentagon is ready.Someone on the board posted an item today alleging Saudi is selling about 10% of fits oil in non-US dollars. If that is true, the same policy didn't turn out too well for Saddam and Gaddafi. I don't think any of us can imagine how this will turn out, and even if one of us did, the rest of us would die laughing.30,000 Saudi troops are being deployed near the Iraq border, I see many posters writing the US should stay out, but it does appear ISIS is unconcerned with petroleum profits. Thus, when will the US get involved?
Saudi Arabia bolsters border as Iraq breaks apart - CBS News
Not good news, Saudis like their petro dollars, and the continued wars threaten that. Saudis are fundementalist, except when it comes to business.
30,000 Saudi troops are being deployed near the Iraq border, I see many posters writing the US should stay out, but it does appear ISIS is unconcerned with petroleum profits. Thus, when will the US get involved?
Saudi Arabia bolsters border as Iraq breaks apart - CBS News
Posting debunked talking points from the hyper partisan far left is never a good idea.
Just own up to the fact that Obama owns this disaster.
Unfortunately there is nothing that we can do to save us from the horrible decisions made by Obama.
And whether anyone wants to admit this or not the US will eventually have to get involved as the entire region is starting to destabilize.
A perfect example of what happens when the US has weak leadership. It happened with Carter and now Obama.
30,000 Saudi troops are being deployed near the Iraq border, I see many posters writing the US should stay out, but it does appear ISIS is unconcerned with petroleum profits. Thus, when will the US get involved?
Saudi Arabia bolsters border as Iraq breaks apart - CBS News
Posting debunked talking points from the hyper partisan far left is never a good idea.
Just own up to the fact that Obama owns this disaster.
Unfortunately there is nothing that we can do to save us from the horrible decisions made by Obama.
And whether anyone wants to admit this or not the US will eventually have to get involved as the entire region is starting to destabilize.
A perfect example of what happens when the US has weak leadership. It happened with Carter and now Obama.
Saudi is sandwiched between Jihadis in Iraq and Yemen, and the young men they've exported to other parts of the Middle East to learn the killing arts might decide to come home one day:
"Along Saudi Arabia's long, lonely desert border with its northern neighbour Iraq, the Ministry of Interior guards have every reason to stay alert.
"Isis, the well-armed and well-funded jihadist army that has seized control of most of western Iraq, is now effectively at the kingdom's doorstep.
"Nearly half the 900km (560 mile) Saudi-Iraq border is with Iraq's Anbar province where The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis), now rebranded as simply 'The Islamic State', is largely able to move its fighters around at will.
"Saudi Arabia may not yet be directly in its sights but officials fear this is only a matter of time..."
"For the Saudi authorities, the situation bears an uncomfortable similarity to what they were facing a decade ago.
"Iraq was in turmoil following the US-led invasion and the dismantling of its central government, droves of young Saudi men were fulfilling what they believed was their religious duty and heading over to Iraq to wage jihad, a holy war.
"Today, despite government-approved fatwas forbidding such actions, a number of Saudis have been able to reach Syria and Iraq to join Isis.
"Saudi accents have been heard commentating, out of vision, on some of the group's chilling videos of captured Iraqis being executed in cold blood.
"For the Saudi authorities, returning jihadists represent a potential domestic security threat if and when they do come back.
"That said, many who survive the fighting may choose to either remain in Isis-controlled territory or make their way to Yemen to swell the ranks of AQAP."
BBC News - Saudi Arabia: Sandwiched by jihadists in Iraq and Yemen
"Former director of the Israeli National Security Council Yaakov Amidror warned against ISIS moving into Jordan and posing a threat to Israel, adding that if Jordan requested Israeli assistance to protect its borders with Iraq, Israel would have little choice but to help."It will be a back door approach.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...srael-will-support-jordan-in-the-face-of-isis
It will be a back door approach.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...srael-will-support-jordan-in-the-face-of-isis
It will be a back door approach.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...srael-will-support-jordan-in-the-face-of-isis
Jordan has Palestinian land that nation will never return, and ISIS threatens all in the region. No suprise all are against ISIS, a bit of a surprise it is so open. The invasion of Iraq destabilized many long standing regimes; the door thus opened to "new leaders".
It will be a back door approach.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...srael-will-support-jordan-in-the-face-of-isis
Jordan has Palestinian land that nation will never return, and ISIS threatens all in the region. No suprise all are against ISIS, a bit of a surprise it is so open. The invasion of Iraq destabilized many long standing regimes; the door thus opened to "new leaders".
Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. We have used the Kurds before. Turkey is not in a position to do jack. Whole lot of Syrian refugees goin' on. Israel supports the Kurds. So, even if the US can't visibly do it (save diplomacy with Turkey) then Israel will. Funding and arming the KKP? Turkey hates Israel currently. So, no harm no foul there.
Black September. The PLO was thrown out of Jordan. Rightly so.
Jordan has Palestinian land that nation will never return, and ISIS threatens all in the region. No suprise all are against ISIS, a bit of a surprise it is so open. The invasion of Iraq destabilized many long standing regimes; the door thus opened to "new leaders".
Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. We have used the Kurds before. Turkey is not in a position to do jack. Whole lot of Syrian refugees goin' on. Israel supports the Kurds. So, even if the US can't visibly do it (save diplomacy with Turkey) then Israel will. Funding and arming the KKP? Turkey hates Israel currently. So, no harm no foul there.
Black September. The PLO was thrown out of Jordan. Rightly so.
The Palestininans were tossed out previously also, Jordan is not a "generous" friend. This is the time for pay back to the Kurds then; Turkey & Iraq owe them.
Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. We have used the Kurds before. Turkey is not in a position to do jack. Whole lot of Syrian refugees goin' on. Israel supports the Kurds. So, even if the US can't visibly do it (save diplomacy with Turkey) then Israel will. Funding and arming the KKP? Turkey hates Israel currently. So, no harm no foul there.
Black September. The PLO was thrown out of Jordan. Rightly so.
The Palestininans were tossed out previously also, Jordan is not a "generous" friend. This is the time for pay back to the Kurds then; Turkey & Iraq owe them.
It's PKK not KKP.
Turkey will not be happy if the US turns around and directly supports the PKK or any other Kurdish insurgent group and Turkey will not ever have the view that they owe the Kurds anything. However, they are dealing with the Syrian issue and want into the EU. Still. So, if the US can maintain diplomatic ties with Turkey but still aid the Kurds via Israel then it's a success of sorts. I can't think of any reason that Iraq would see the themselves owing the Kurds either.
These are nation-states. Jordan is not an enemy.
The Palestininans were tossed out previously also, Jordan is not a "generous" friend. This is the time for pay back to the Kurds then; Turkey & Iraq owe them.
It's PKK not KKP.
Turkey will not be happy if the US turns around and directly supports the PKK or any other Kurdish insurgent group and Turkey will not ever have the view that they owe the Kurds anything. However, they are dealing with the Syrian issue and want into the EU. Still. So, if the US can maintain diplomatic ties with Turkey but still aid the Kurds via Israel then it's a success of sorts. I can't think of any reason that Iraq would see the themselves owing the Kurds either.
These are nation-states. Jordan is not an enemy.
I realize Jordan is not an enemy, but Jordan has not been a friend to Palestinians; Israel takes the heat, Jordan has their homeland. Of course Iraq & Turkey "will never have the view", when has real pressure concerning the Kurds been upon them? Palestinians get world wide sympathy, though not from me; the Kurds get gassed, shoved from place to place, and have no 'lobby'.
Turkish security forces fire teargas to remove Kurdish roadblocks | ReutersThe PKK took up arms against Turkey in 1984 with the aim of carving out a separate state in the southeast for the country's Kurds, which make up around 20 percent of the population but have long been denied basic political and cultural rights.
Erdogan has invested considerable political capital in peace efforts, widening cultural and language rights at the risk of alienating parts of his grassroots support base. The PKK is designated a terrorist group by Ankara, the United States and European Union and Ocalan remains widely reviled among Turks.
Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan Seal 50-Year Energy DealISTANBUL — Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq on Wednesday announced the signing of a 50-year deal to export Kurdish oil to the north.
KRG Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani unveiled the deal during a speech to Iraqi Kurdistan's parliament in Irbil, capital of the Kurdish-dominated region in northern Iraq.
The agreement comes amid growing international criticism over the deepening relationship between Iraq's Kurdish region and Turkey — a relationship that bypasses Iraq's central government, straining Baghdad's relations with Irbil and Ankara.
In the opinion of Emre Iseri, a political scientist and energy expert at Turkey's Yasar University in Izmir, Iraq's energy-rich Kurdish region and energy-hungry Turkey are a perfect match.
"Turkey would like to become a regional energy hub, and so Turkey would like to diversify away from Russia and Iran," he said. "It also is thinking about its current account deficit and thinks that it can acquire cheaper oil and natural gas prices from Iraqi Kurdistan."
But Baghdad officials insist only Iraq's central government has the right to export Iraqi crude. Baghdad recently announced plans to take legal action against Ankara at the International Chamber of Commerce’s International Court of Arbitration in Paris. Iraqi officials have said any contracts between Kurdish authorities and foreign energy firms violate Iraq's constitution and are illegal unless formally sanctioned by Baghdad.
While Irbil rejects that position, Ankara has been trying to placate Baghdad for months. According to Soli Ozel, political columnist for the Turkish newspaper Haberturk, Ankara's efforts have largely failed.
"Baghdad protests it and [is] going to court about this," he said. "Obviously they have not looked favorably [on] such transactions and have not changed their minds about it. And the Americans registered their discontent, but that’s where we stand now."
Washington has repeatedly voiced criticism of Ankara’s direct dealings with Irbil, warning it could threaten Iraq's territorial integrity, a position rejected by both Irbil and Ankara.
Some analysts say the KRG is in urgent need of funds from energy sales because Baghdad cut funding to the Kurdish region over its unilateral dealings with Ankara.
It's PKK not KKP.
Turkey will not be happy if the US turns around and directly supports the PKK or any other Kurdish insurgent group and Turkey will not ever have the view that they owe the Kurds anything. However, they are dealing with the Syrian issue and want into the EU. Still. So, if the US can maintain diplomatic ties with Turkey but still aid the Kurds via Israel then it's a success of sorts. I can't think of any reason that Iraq would see the themselves owing the Kurds either.
These are nation-states. Jordan is not an enemy.
I realize Jordan is not an enemy, but Jordan has not been a friend to Palestinians; Israel takes the heat, Jordan has their homeland. Of course Iraq & Turkey "will never have the view", when has real pressure concerning the Kurds been upon them? Palestinians get world wide sympathy, though not from me; the Kurds get gassed, shoved from place to place, and have no 'lobby'.
No support since Humanitarian Law Project v. Holder (09-89); Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project (08-1498) | LII Supreme Court Bulletin | LII / Legal Information Institute
Turkish security forces fire teargas to remove Kurdish roadblocks | ReutersThe PKK took up arms against Turkey in 1984 with the aim of carving out a separate state in the southeast for the country's Kurds, which make up around 20 percent of the population but have long been denied basic political and cultural rights.
Erdogan has invested considerable political capital in peace efforts, widening cultural and language rights at the risk of alienating parts of his grassroots support base. The PKK is designated a terrorist group by Ankara, the United States and European Union and Ocalan remains widely reviled among Turks.
with this:
https://monitorglobaloutlook.com/news-story/clashes-in-turkeys-southeast-test-kurdish-peace-deal/
versus:
Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan Seal 50-Year Energy DealISTANBUL Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq on Wednesday announced the signing of a 50-year deal to export Kurdish oil to the north.
KRG Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani unveiled the deal during a speech to Iraqi Kurdistan's parliament in Irbil, capital of the Kurdish-dominated region in northern Iraq.
The agreement comes amid growing international criticism over the deepening relationship between Iraq's Kurdish region and Turkey a relationship that bypasses Iraq's central government, straining Baghdad's relations with Irbil and Ankara.
In the opinion of Emre Iseri, a political scientist and energy expert at Turkey's Yasar University in Izmir, Iraq's energy-rich Kurdish region and energy-hungry Turkey are a perfect match.
"Turkey would like to become a regional energy hub, and so Turkey would like to diversify away from Russia and Iran," he said. "It also is thinking about its current account deficit and thinks that it can acquire cheaper oil and natural gas prices from Iraqi Kurdistan."
But Baghdad officials insist only Iraq's central government has the right to export Iraqi crude. Baghdad recently announced plans to take legal action against Ankara at the International Chamber of Commerces International Court of Arbitration in Paris. Iraqi officials have said any contracts between Kurdish authorities and foreign energy firms violate Iraq's constitution and are illegal unless formally sanctioned by Baghdad.
While Irbil rejects that position, Ankara has been trying to placate Baghdad for months. According to Soli Ozel, political columnist for the Turkish newspaper Haberturk, Ankara's efforts have largely failed.
"Baghdad protests it and [is] going to court about this," he said. "Obviously they have not looked favorably [on] such transactions and have not changed their minds about it. And the Americans registered their discontent, but thats where we stand now."
Washington has repeatedly voiced criticism of Ankaras direct dealings with Irbil, warning it could threaten Iraq's territorial integrity, a position rejected by both Irbil and Ankara.
Some analysts say the KRG is in urgent need of funds from energy sales because Baghdad cut funding to the Kurdish region over its unilateral dealings with Ankara.
Jordan does not have Palestinian land.
Daily City Times "World Best Online Newspaper" | Beware ISIL, Iran´s Rouhani warns ?petrodollar? statesTEHRAN: Iran´s President Hassan Rouhani warned on Sunday that Muslim states which funnel petrodollars to jihadist fighters wreaking havoc in Iraq will become their next target.
Rouhani did not name any country, but officials and media in Iran have hinted that insurgents from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) are being financially and militarily supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
I advise Muslim countries that support the terrorists with their petrodollars to stop, Rouhani said in remarks reported by the website of Iran´s state broadcaster.Tomorrow you will be targeted by these savage terrorists.
Wash your hands of killing and the killing of Muslims, he added. ISIL militants have seized a swathe of Iraqi territory in a lightning offensive, with the Baghdad government´s security forces hard-pressed to prevent the advance.
Riyadh has warned that Iran-ally Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is steering Iraq towards civil war through policies that exclude the countrys minority.
Iran says it will support Maliki against ISIL, which is also battling the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, another Tehran ally.
Irans supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said he was against any foreign intervention in Iraq, accusing the United States of seeking to take advantage of fanatics with no will of their own, referring to ISIL.
Khamenei reiterated Iranian declarations that the Maliki government has the ability to stop this plot, with collective efforts that include the people.
