Scientists discover way to turn CO2 back into coal!

[fncceo]

I pay to live in a nice neighborhood so I don't have to. If you don't like coal being burned in your neighborhood, move.

Exactly. I'm moving the coal burning to your place. That's easier than all the rest of us here moving, and it's also appropriate and fitting, since it is you insisting that it be burned.

Sure, go ahead.

Deal! Or I could just watch the coal industry 'move itself' into extinction. Decisions...

I don't see coal going out of style any time soon. If we don't use it to heat, we use it to make steel, filtration devices, carbon fibre materials, and silicone products.

And, when we stop making those things here, we send the coal to China where the penalties for complaining about the environment are kind of on the harsh side...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't see coal going out of style any time soon.

Do you say the same for disco? Because coal is already dying, here in the States. China, the worst offender, is struggling to wean itself from it, but they are struggling to accomplish that. India, same.

And it's cheaper in China, because cheap labor. We seem to be doing our best to catch up with them in that regard. Maybe soon, if you Randians have your way, we can have 60 or 70 million uninsured people working full time in factories, collecting food stamps and living in squalor. We'll show them red Chinese if it kills us!

 

[fncceo]

Do you say the same for disco?

I've used Disco to heat my bedroom ... to tell the truth, I still do with the right girl...

 

[james bond]

Perhaps if we didn't burn coal?

Might as well burn it, we can't eat it.

I vote we do it at your place, then.

I pay to live in a nice neighborhood so I don't have to. If you don't like coal being burned in your neighborhood, move.

I live in Cali and only coal burning is in So Cal sorta. It is unusual because we don’t have much in the way of coal deposits and no significant coal power plants. However, we do have several public utilities that own portions of out-of-state coal power plants, and that entitles them to sell the coal energy to them.

The libs are planning to outlaw fireplaces in the home and cut down on the number of days you are allowed to bar-b-que.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I've always thought that sending the waste into space seemed like a good option. Of course, the danger of a Challenger-like accident on a vehicle transporting nuclear waste might be too great for such a solution.

Right and right. So we will need a space elevator. And then just shoot it into the sun.

There could never be any unintended consequences from doing that, amirite?

You know, like a SuperNova or something?

How about aiming that crap out of the galaxy, hmm?

 

[fncceo]

I've always thought that sending the waste into space seemed like a good option. Of course, the danger of a Challenger-like accident on a vehicle transporting nuclear waste might be too great for such a solution.

Right and right. So we will need a space elevator. And then just shoot it into the sun.

There could never be any unintended consequences from doing that, amirite?

You know, like a SuperNova or something?

How about aiming that crap out of the galaxy, hmm?

That's not actually how stars go supernova. Our star doesn't even have enough material to go supernova.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I've always thought that sending the waste into space seemed like a good option. Of course, the danger of a Challenger-like accident on a vehicle transporting nuclear waste might be too great for such a solution.

Right and right. So we will need a space elevator. And then just shoot it into the sun.

There could never be any unintended consequences from doing that, amirite?

You know, like a SuperNova or something?

How about aiming that crap out of the galaxy, hmm?

That's not actually how stars go supernova. Our star doesn't even have enough material to go supernova.

Yeah...that's never been attempted so no way to know....but that's not the point. What if it makes a bunch of sun spots and the earth cools?

 

[james bond]

Do you say the same for disco? Because coal is already dying, here in the States. China, the worst offender, is struggling to wean itself from it, but they are struggling to accomplish that. India, same.

And it's cheaper in China, because cheap labor. We seem to be doing our best to catch up with them in that regard. Maybe soon, if you Randians have your way, we can have 60 or 70 million uninsured people working full time in factories, collecting food stamps and living in squalor. We'll show them red Chinese if it kills us!

Coal should make a comeback since excess CO2 was even worse according to the libs.

 

[fncceo]

I've always thought that sending the waste into space seemed like a good option. Of course, the danger of a Challenger-like accident on a vehicle transporting nuclear waste might be too great for such a solution.

Right and right. So we will need a space elevator. And then just shoot it into the sun.

There could never be any unintended consequences from doing that, amirite?

You know, like a SuperNova or something?

How about aiming that crap out of the galaxy, hmm?

That's not actually how stars go supernova. Our star doesn't even have enough material to go supernova.

Yeah...that's never been attempted so no way to know....but that's not the point. What if it makes a bunch of sun spots and the earth cools?

Our sun is 333,000 times more massive than earth. If our sun were 3.5 gallons, the earth would be only a single drop. If we threw our entire planet into it, it wouldn't make a ripple. So, yea, we know.

But, it's inconsequential. Man won't build a Space Elevator for hundreds of years, it ever. That multi-Trillion dollar technology won't be used for 'taking out the trash'.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I've always thought that sending the waste into space seemed like a good option. Of course, the danger of a Challenger-like accident on a vehicle transporting nuclear waste might be too great for such a solution.

Right and right. So we will need a space elevator. And then just shoot it into the sun.

There could never be any unintended consequences from doing that, amirite?

You know, like a SuperNova or something?

How about aiming that crap out of the galaxy, hmm?

I don't think we could trigger a super that way.

Out of the Galaxy would work, too

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Coal should make a comeback since excess CO2 was even worse according to the libs.

Bond, nobody knows what the hell you are trying to say, here. And I think you accidentally did that stupid thing again where you confuse "libs" with "scientists" .

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Any method of turning CO2 into coal would have to involve putting more energy into it than what you would get back if you were to burn that coal. There is no way around this. Any chemical reaction that releases energy, such as burning coal—combining carbon and oxygen to form CO2—can only be reversed by putting at least that much energy back into it.

 

[Likkmee]

Looks like science is doing there job to bail us out of a mess! We now have cheap scalable tech to turn carbon dioxide gas back into a solid. This combined with recent tech advancemnts in Fusion reactors may bail us out of a warming earth and actually may even make the use of coal viable again. Again we may have much less to argue over! Could this tech actually pay for it's self by reusing the resultant solid for other things? If so how quickly can we deploy it and is there a consensus to spead this deployment up?

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Liquid metal? Like mercury?
Mercury is a deadly poison.

Perhaps if we didn't burn coal?

From the sciencedaily article: "To convert CO2, the researchers designed a liquid metal catalyst with specific surface properties that made it extremely efficient at conducting electricity while chemically activating the surface."

In Ingles does that mean "battery"

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That multi-Trillion dollar technology won't be used for 'taking out the trash'.

Well, we're spending $100 bil on Yucca Mountain just to store a small portion of the already existing nuclear waste of just one country. And we're proposing large scale production of new waste worlwide, when we talk about "going nuclear". So that solution will eventually be on the table. "Multi-trillion" won't quite be the obstacle you might think.

I'll take the under on your "hundreds of years", too.

 

[evenflow1969]

It would be... what do the libs call it? Sustainable.

Downside is taxes.

ETA: "Carbon sequestration, the act of removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and locking it away is a growing field aimed at mitigating climate change. Major oil and gas companies, like Shell, are spending billions of dollars to develop carbon sequestration plants that store CO2 in porous reservoirs within Earth. However, this approach is expensive as it requires CO2 to be compressed into liquid form and injected into rock formations within Earth. Due to cost, this approach is not economically viable without heavy subsidies and/or a carbon tax to help offset costs."

Scientists Just Pulled CO2 From Air And Turned It Into Coal

You know republicans can use big words like sustainable! There was a time the party actually advocated a good education. They use to advocate morals and manners also, I miss those days! This new process is cheap according to the articles. Unfortunately these days it is a bit harder to believe what I hear. I wanna see this shit in action, I wanna get my fingers on some graphene also!

 

[evenflow1969]

Um, are you talking about dry ice? That's been around for a while...

Ah, now there are links! I'll go check those out.

Sorry tech excites me, I was falling over myself to discuss this. We live in a world that every one sits around and bitches and moans, when people work on solutions instead of crying like little bitches I get a little excited. I had those links in a notepad and just hit post to quick!

 

[james bond]

Bond, nobody knows what the hell you are trying to say, here. And I think you accidentally did that stupid thing again where you confuse "libs" with "scientists" .

The libs think excess man-made CO2 leads to climate change and cause the end of the world. That's idiotic since plants thrive under CO2. I'm more concerned with excess coal burning as that causes air pollution.

 

[evenflow1969]

That multi-Trillion dollar technology won't be used for 'taking out the trash'.

Well, we're spending $100 bil on Yucca Mountain just to store a small portion of the already existing nuclear waste of just one country. And we're proposing large scale production of new waste worlwide, when we talk about "going nuclear". So that solution will eventually be on the table. "Multi-trillion" won't quite be the obstacle you might think.

I'll take the under on your "hundreds of years", too.

Hey Fort fun. Have you been to that theatre that cold water sound did recently revamped? I saw Antrax there last summer. Then I went up to that bar downtown that has the boat rides. There is a lot to do in Fort Wayne for such a small city! Are you familiar with these to venues?

 

[hadit]

I've always thought that sending the waste into space seemed like a good option. Of course, the danger of a Challenger-like accident on a vehicle transporting nuclear waste might be too great for such a solution.

Right and right. So we will need a space elevator. And then just shoot it into the sun.

There could never be any unintended consequences from doing that, amirite?

You know, like a SuperNova or something?

How about aiming that crap out of the galaxy, hmm?

No, the sun wouldn't even notice if we actually managed to hit it. I mean, the entire thing is one gigantic hydrogen bomb constantly exploding, so a few tons of mildly radioactive material would just be incinerated. The bigger problem is actually hitting the sun, because of our orbital speed. Shoot at the sun and you just put it into its own orbit and hope it doesn't intersect ours. As for out of the galaxy, that would take a couple hundred thousand years.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

That multi-Trillion dollar technology won't be used for 'taking out the trash'.

Well, we're spending $100 bil on Yucca Mountain just to store a small portion of the already existing nuclear waste of just one country. And we're proposing large scale production of new waste worlwide, when we talk about "going nuclear". So that solution will eventually be on the table. "Multi-trillion" won't quite be the obstacle you might think.

I'll take the under on your "hundreds of years", too.

It appears you missed the point of my previous post (#8) where I outlined the nuclear reactor tech being implemented that uses existing nuclear waste. You even responded to that post by extracting one sentence about the comparative waste by-products between coal and nuclear, saying you weren't aware of any use for nuclear waste -- which was specifically addressed by the first sentence (and link) of my post, and the sentence immediately after the one you quoted. I skim posts too, so I'll assume that's what happened, but you should check that stuff out. It's a really fascinating solution to the problems you're describing here, which have long been the concerns associated with nuclear power.