Secession movement in New York pushes for Big Apple to split from Upstate

[The2ndAmendment]

Secession movement in New York pushes for Big Apple to split from Upstate - Washington Times

“I’ve lived in New York all my life, and upstate and downstate have two different philosophies of life,” said John Bergener, an Albany County resident and organizer of the two New Yorks effort. “And it seems like they’re always in conflict.”

Campaigns for “secession” or a 51st state have been on the rise since the 2012 presidential election — see California, Colorado and Maryland — but the New York movement has a twist.

Instead of splitting New York into two distinct states, advocates want one state controlled by two autonomous regional governments.

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It won't be long before Suffolk and Nassau counties (Long Island) secedes as well.

 

[Bombur]

It would be horrible for the Albany area.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It would be horrible for the Albany area.

Explain.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Won't happen

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Won't happen.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Won't happen.

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

 

[Victory67]

State Legislature would never approve it. Upstate relies and lives on the tax revenue from Downstate.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Won't happen.

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

Suffolk and Nassau only exist because they're NYC commuter towns.

 

[Bombur]

It would be horrible for the Albany area.

Explain.

The greater Albany area used to have a fair amount of industry in Schenectady and Troy but those industries went away decades ago. Now the Albany area relies heavily on the bureaucracy in Albany for jobs. Upstate in general would probably benefit but not Albany.

 

[Defiant1]

Any way we could get them to secede from the US?

 

[Victory67]

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

Nassau, Suffolk, NYC, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess are one big fiscal-social area. They would want to stay with NYC.

 

[KNB]

The problem of secession was solved in the 1850s. Secession lost.

 

[Victory67]

Won't happen.

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

Suffolk and Nassau only exist because they're NYC commuter towns.

same with Westchester and Rockland.

Take away the tax revenue from Rockland, Westchester, NYC, Nassau, and Suffolk....and the State of New York dies.

 

[Bombur]

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

Nassau, Suffolk, NYC, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess are one big fiscal-social area. They would want to stay with NYC.

When it comes to local taxes people will gladly put up walls that help segregate the poor into their own taxing districts. It is horrible economics and public policy but it serves the short sighted interests of a lot of voters.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Won't happen.

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

You seem to be lacking in the department regarding HOW a state is allowed to secede at all and what admission of a new state requires. You really think you can get that through congress? YOu think that party polotics wouldn't dictate that? Yeah, you'll never peacefully be able to split off a state, or many states from one (like Cali) under the current authority on it. The votes will never be there. Ever.

And, you really want to add additional members to congress?

 

[Katzndogz]

New York State no longer wants to be dominated by New York City. Like central California no longer wants to be told what to do by Los Angeles. Maryland is tired of Baltimore. Colorado wants to split from Denver and Boulder. Even eastern Washington state wants nothing to do with the Western part of the state and liberal Seattle.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

Nassau, Suffolk, NYC, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess are one big fiscal-social area. They would want to stay with NYC.

Do you live in Suffolk County, like I do?

 

[Victory67]

Won't happen.

Why not? If Suffolk and Nassau County align themselves with the Upstate Counties, they'll have more than enough votes, manpower and political will to overcome NYC.

The Soviet Union collapsed for the same purposes. All of its members overpowered the central authority. That is what's about to happen to Emperor Cuomo of the Empire State, a reenactment of the Fall of the Roman empire.

You seem to be lacking in the department regarding HOW a state is allowed to secede at all and what admission of a new state requires. You really think you can get that through congress? YOu think that party polotics wouldn't dictate that? Yeah, you'll never peacefully be able to split off a state, or many states from one (like Cali) under the current authority on it. The votes will never be there. Ever.

And, you really want to add additional members to congress?

Good point. Secession from the state requires approval from the State.

Forming a new state requires the consent of Congress, which includes the many Congressmen from New York City, Long Island, Westchester and Rockland.

Such an idea is DOA.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

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And, you really want to add additional members to congress?

I wasn't aware that Congress is still relevant and will be ever be relevant again after Obama's dictatorship. He has a Pen.

 

[Victory67]

Again, Upstate is 100% dependent upon the tax revenue from Downstate.

Loosing that revenue would be an act of fiscal suicide. You would have to triple property and income tax in order to make up the difference, maybe.