Secession movement in New York pushes for Big Apple to split from Upstate

[Bombur]

New York State no longer wants to be dominated by New York City. Like central California no longer wants to be told what to do by Los Angeles. Maryland is tired of Baltimore. Colorado wants to split from Denver and Boulder. Even eastern Washington state wants nothing to do with the Western part of the state and liberal Seattle.

It is pretty much all motivated by people not wanting to support poor people who live in cities.

As income inequality gets worse the burden will only grow and people will turn on one another more and more.

 

[Victory67]

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And, you really want to add additional members to congress?

I wasn't aware that Congress is still relevant and will be ever be relevant again after Obama's dictatorship. He has a Pen.

Congress is still relevent to all Americans who respect and value our Constitution.

 

[Victory67]

It is pretty much all motivated by people not wanting to support poor people who live in cities.

As income inequality gets worse the burden will only grow and people will turn on one another more and more.

And we all know that Albany, Buffalo, Binghampton, Rochester, Syracuse, Schenectady, Utica, all have no poor people.

 

[Bombur]

Again, Upstate is 100% dependent upon the tax revenue from Downstate.

Loosing that revenue would be an act of fiscal suicide. You would have to triple property and income tax in order to make up the difference, maybe.

Downstate has a lot of the revenue and a lot of the costs in terms of both education and Medicaid. Depending on where the border is the upstate area could entice a lot of business just over that border.

The only area that would really suffer is Albany because they see the most benefit from the state government being so big. The state government would be way smaller without NYC.

 

[Katzndogz]

The problem of secession was solved in the 1850s. Secession lost.

Secession WON. West Virginia successfully split from Virginia.

 

[Papageorgio]

It will never happen, this stuff has been going on in almost every state for as long as I can remember. I is always talk, nothing else.

 

[KNB]

The problem of secession was solved in the 1850s. Secession lost.

Secession WON. West Virginia successfully split from Virginia.

Yeah, and both are part of the United States of America. Why don't Americans try being "united" and stop all this nonsense about secession?

 

[Bombur]

It is pretty much all motivated by people not wanting to support poor people who live in cities.

As income inequality gets worse the burden will only grow and people will turn on one another more and more.

And we all know that Albany, Buffalo, Binghampton, Rochester, Syracuse, Schenectady, Utica, all have no poor people.

Yeah people fled the poor in those cities too. It is the same thing on different scales.

One of the worst examples of this economic behavior is in CT where towns are small and the ability to avoid poor areas is easy. The city of Bridgeport is fairly well known for being a disaster but it is surrounded by rich towns.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

New York State no longer wants to be dominated by New York City. Like central California no longer wants to be told what to do by Los Angeles. Maryland is tired of Baltimore. Colorado wants to split from Denver and Boulder. Even eastern Washington state wants nothing to do with the Western part of the state and liberal Seattle.

It is pretty much all motivated by people not wanting to support poor people who live in cities.

As income inequality gets worse the burden will only grow and people will turn on one another more and more.

There are as many poor people "upstate" than there are "downstate" - and a lot less rich people.

 

[Bombur]

New York State no longer wants to be dominated by New York City. Like central California no longer wants to be told what to do by Los Angeles. Maryland is tired of Baltimore. Colorado wants to split from Denver and Boulder. Even eastern Washington state wants nothing to do with the Western part of the state and liberal Seattle.

It is pretty much all motivated by people not wanting to support poor people who live in cities.

As income inequality gets worse the burden will only grow and people will turn on one another more and more.

There are as many poor people "upstate" than there are "downstate" - and a lot less rich people.

That depends on where you draw the borders. The counties and towns around NYC have a lot of money but less needs. NYC (5 boroughs) have a lot of money and very high needs. This would only get worse if NYC split off. There is already large incentives for people and businesses to move just outside the city.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

State Legislature would never approve it. Upstate relies and lives on the tax revenue from Downstate.

The upstate would be perfectly capable of supporting itself. There is more to New York than NYC. It's the downstate that wouldn't allow it to happen.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The problem of secession was solved in the 1850s. Secession lost.

Read, you fucking idiot. Nobody is talking about secession, and I think you mean the 1860s.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

State Legislature would never approve it. Upstate relies and lives on the tax revenue from Downstate.

The upstate would be perfectly capable of supporting itself. There is more to New York than NYC. It's the downstate that wouldn't allow it to happen.

How would you expect upstate to support itself, exactly?

 

[Katzndogz]

New York State no longer wants to be dominated by New York City. Like central California no longer wants to be told what to do by Los Angeles. Maryland is tired of Baltimore. Colorado wants to split from Denver and Boulder. Even eastern Washington state wants nothing to do with the Western part of the state and liberal Seattle.

It is pretty much all motivated by people not wanting to support poor people who live in cities.

As income inequality gets worse the burden will only grow and people will turn on one another more and more.

The more people refuse to work and demand to be given freebies, the worse income inequality will get.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Again, Upstate is 100% dependent upon the tax revenue from Downstate.

That is factually false.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Again, Upstate is 100% dependent upon the tax revenue from Downstate.

That is factually false.

Link?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

State Legislature would never approve it. Upstate relies and lives on the tax revenue from Downstate.

The upstate would be perfectly capable of supporting itself. There is more to New York than NYC. It's the downstate that wouldn't allow it to happen.

How would you expect upstate to support itself, exactly?

Is this a serious question? How do New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Wyoming, Montana, and all of these other sparsely populated states that are a fraction of the size of upstate New York support themselves, exactly?

As I said earlier, New York is a lot more than just NYC and Long Island. There are several urban areas throughout the state that contribute to the state's overall economy and there is a good possibility that if they were free from the albatross of leftist economic policies that are plagued upon them by the downstate many of those Rust Belt cities could experience a rebirth in the long run.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The 5 counties of NYC account for 45% of the State's tax revenue. The downstate suburbs (Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland, Rye) account for another 27%.

The entire rest of the state accounts for 24% of the State's tax revenue.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Again, Upstate is 100% dependent upon the tax revenue from Downstate.

That is factually false.

Link?

100% dependent? You need me to provide a link that nobody in upstate New York earns an income and that absolutely zero businesses exist in the entire region?

A second grader can tell you that isn't true without an Internet link.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The 5 counties of NYC account for 45% of the State's tax revenue. The downstate suburbs (Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland, Rye) account for another 27%.

The entire rest of the state accounts for 24% of the State's tax revenue.

Well, that doesn't make them 100% dependent then, does it.