Zone1 Separation of Church and State?

There's zero evidence that the Founding Fathers wanted all government officials to be religious. Good values don't necessarily correspond with someone's religious status or how devout they are to a particular religion.

A person can be ethical, civil, and humane, without being religious. Many of the founding fathers would've been considered secular, liberal heretics today. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own gospel, deleting all of the miracles from the text. Benjamin Franklin was an 18th-century secularist. George Washington was a 33rd-degree Mason. The name "Colombia" is the name of a goddess:


"By the time of the American Revolutionary War, Columbia had become a symbol of the new, independent country. In form, Columbia is a quasi-mythical, adult female personification of the United States and the values of the people who live there. She wears roman-styled robes which are pure white or red, white and blue."


Washington DC is stock-full of occultic, masonic symbols and architecture. Our currency is as well:


Were there some traditional, more fundamentalist, conservative Christians amongst the signers of the US Constitution? Yes. But many of the well-known Founding Fathers weren't religious Christians at all. They would be condemned today as heretics or apostates.

The "In God We Trust" was added to our coins in the 1950s, in response to Soviet secularism. It was a way of saying, to the American working class that capitalism is pro-God and communism isn't. We trust in God,, they don't.
There is plenty of evidence that most Founding Fathers wanted those in government and all Americans to be people of faith but liberty demanded that it not be a requirement for anybody. Anyone who studies the Founding documents knows that. More than half had had at least some sort of Divinity School training. And to a man they embraced Christian concepts, values, ideals, i.e. concepts of "The Enlightenment' that strongly incorporated those Christian concepts, values, ideas. Your concepts of our Motto, Columbus etc. are a different discussion.

The fact is the world was a pretty savage and dog eat dog--survival of the fittest--the strong ruled over the weak, etc.--before Christian concepts, values, ideals, teachings were introduced into societies. Despite its own more militant history at times, Christianity has influenced and modified other religious groups including ancient religions like Paganism and Hinduism as well as less ancient sects such as Buddhism and Islam. The vast majority of charities and others doing humanitarian work arises out of Christian faith and/or Christian influence.

That people who do not identify as Christian now can be ethical, civil, humane almost certainly is because of Christian influence on the culture in which they were born and raised. Christianity remains the largest religious group on Earth and the Bible the No. 1 best selling book on Earth to this day. Likely none other than small primitive isolated tribes have not been affected by it.
 
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There is plenty of evidence that most Founding Fathers wanted those in government and all Americans to be people of faith but liberty demanded that it not be a requirement for anybody. Anyone who studies the Founding documents knows that. More than half had had at least some sort of Divinity School training. And to a man they embraced Christian concepts, values, ideals, i.e. concepts of "The Enlightenment' that strongly incorporated those Christian concepts, values, ideas. Your concepts of our Motto, Columbus etc. are a different discussion.

The fact is the world was a pretty savage and dog eat dog--survival of the fittest--the strong ruled over the weak, etc.--before Christian concepts, values, ideals, teachings were introduced into societies. Despite its own more militant history at times, Christianity has influenced and modified other religious groups including ancient religions like Paganism and Hinduism as well as less ancient sects such as Buddhism and Islam. The vast majority of charities and others doing humanitarian work arises out of Christian faith and/or Christian influence.

That people who do not identify as Christian now can be ethical, civil, humane almost certainly is because of Christian influence on the culture in which they were born and raised. Christianity remains the largest religious group on Earth and the Bible the No. 1 best selling book on Earth to this day. Likely none other than small primitive isolated tribes have not been affected by it.
Many of the Founding Fathers would be considered heretics today by practically all devout Evangelical Christians. You flippantly dismiss that, including all of the occultic, pagan elements connected to the founding of this nation. Morality, and ethics, aren't unique to Christianity. They're found in many religions, even amongst pagans. The fact that Christianity is the largest religion in the world, with 2 billion adherents doesn't make its dogmas or sacred text true.

The Bible might be the most read book, but it's not the most memorized or vocally recited or sung book. The Quran is the most memorized book, and if every Quran disappeared from the planet today, in both hardcopy and digital (ALL QURANS) the Muslims would have another Quran, in both the Hafs and Warsh versions, published within a couple of days. That Quran would be republished in the original Arabic language, not a translation.

If all of the Bibles disappeared from the planet today, both hardcopy and digital, that would be the end of the Bible. Christians would be like "Huh", completely stumped. Hardly any Christians, if any, in the world today, have memorized the whole New Testament, or every word in the Old Testament. Hardly any, if any Christians memorize the Bible to that extent, especially not in the original Hebrew or Greek.
 
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Many of the Founding Fathers would be considered heretics today by practically all devout Evangelical Christians. You flippantly dismiss that, including all of the occultic, pagan elements connected to the founding of this nation. Morality, and ethics, aren't unique to Christianity. They're found in many religions, even amongst pagans. The fact that Christianity is the largest religion in the world, with 2 billion adherents doesn't make its dogmas or sacred text true.

The Bible might be the most read book, but it's not the most memorized or vocally recited or song book. The Quran is the most memorized book, and if every Quran disappeared from the planet today, in both hardcopy and digital (ALL QURANS) the Muslims would have another Quran, in both the Hafs and Warsh versions, published within a couple of days. That Quran would be republished in the original Arabic language, not a translation.

If all of the Bibles disappeared from the planet today, both hardcopy and digital, that would be the end of the Bible. Christians would be like "Huh", completely stumped. Hardly any Christians, if any, in the world today, have memorized the whole New Testament, or every word in the Old Testament. Hardly any, if any Christians memorize the Bible to that extent, especially not in the original Hebrew or Greek.
None of your opinion disputes anything in my post you are responding to.
 
The fact is the world was a pretty savage and dog eat dog--survival of the fittest--the strong ruled over the weak, etc.--before Christian concepts, values, ideals, teachings were introduced into societies.

the fantasies of the desert dwellers ...

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those religions more than any other organizations are responsible for aimless persecution and victimization of the innocent throughout history as witnessed by the present unrepentant, fallacious statements void of any reality from their past encounters.

the very reason those that wrote the u s constitution with deliberation wrote the 1st line of the 1st amendment - congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion - because of their draconian history and bibles they worship.
 

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