Serial Numbers Missing on Some Ballots in Arizona Election Audit

[theHawk]

Well, well, this is interesting.

Serial numbers missing between original, duplicate ballots in Arizona election audit: official​

Serial numbers missing between original, duplicate ballots in Arizona election audit: official

"We are struggling as to how we're going to be able to match up" ballots that couldn't be read by machines, Ken Bennett says.

justthenews.com

EXCERPT:

The liaison between Senate Republicans who authorized the audit and county officials told a hearing Tuesday that serial numbers were missing on damaged ballots that were duplicated so they could be read by vote tabulation machines.

But he has found many batches of damaged ballots without the serial numbers that are on the duplicates, violating state law.

Asked by Fann if Maricopa County could assist in that effort, Bennett said county officials have made clear to him several times they wouldn't work with any of the auditors the Senate Republicans hired. He will ask for their help directly, Bennett said.

How do we know the auditors didn't remove them themselves? There's a definite agenda to prove something went on and some are getting nervous, because very little has been found. I wouldn't put it past the more crazed individuals to go rogue.

Any proof these auditors are “crazed”? There are three different auditor groups, and independent observers.

 

[Dragonlady]

The county is the lowest level. The people doing the counting would have had to do it in this case.

OK let’s go with that

The guy with the suitcases of fake ballots shows up at the county collection point and adds them to the count.
Let’s say he has 10,000 fake ballots.

Then the county publishes the results with 10,000 fake votes.
But each town in that county has recorded its own votes before they sent them to the county.

Someone would add up the votes registered by each town and conclude that there are 10,000 extra votes

Doesn’t happen

No, they would have to dump the fake ballots in the largest counties instead of worrying about each town and each county in the state which would result in Biden winning fewer counties than Obama but still having "more" votes. Remember biden only won a little over 1/2 the counties that Obama did-------------CLEARLY FRAUDULENT VOTES were added in.

Again, people don’t vote as a county. There is no generic county vote. Each town and city has its own ballot with its own candidates in local elections.
So you can’t just dump ballots at the county level. If you try it at the city or town level, the number of votes counted won’t match the number recorded in each town.

I didn't say they needed nor cared about any individual town....the dems cheated multiple ways. In this instance, they targeted larger population areas and stuff ballots there which is why we see the lopsided loss of entire counties to biden (when compared to Obama) but he somehow got more votes in the much fewer counties.

This isn't human nature--if biden was more popular than Obama, you would see more counties go for Biden not 40% or so less.

What you are babbling about has nothing to do with anything, but I think you know this right.

The trouble with larger population centers is that they can be split between multiple congressional districts, state House districts and state senate districts. That becomes much harder to slip phony ballots in.

The rieason that Biden got more votes than Obama despite winning fewer counties is because Biden won larger suburban counties.

In 2012, Obama lost in Gwinnet County with around 160,000 votes out of 297,000 votes. In 2020, Biden won the county with 242,000 votes out of 402,000 votes. Biden got 82,000 nore votes out of the 105,000 extra people who voted in 2020.

The reason Biden got more votes is because of fraud.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

[Lastamender]

The county is the lowest level. The people doing the counting would have had to do it in this case.

OK let’s go with that

The guy with the suitcases of fake ballots shows up at the county collection point and adds them to the count.
Let’s say he has 10,000 fake ballots.

Then the county publishes the results with 10,000 fake votes.
But each town in that county has recorded its own votes before they sent them to the county.

Someone would add up the votes registered by each town and conclude that there are 10,000 extra votes

Doesn’t happen

No, they would have to dump the fake ballots in the largest counties instead of worrying about each town and each county in the state which would result in Biden winning fewer counties than Obama but still having "more" votes. Remember biden only won a little over 1/2 the counties that Obama did-------------CLEARLY FRAUDULENT VOTES were added in.

Again, people don’t vote as a county. There is no generic county vote. Each town and city has its own ballot with its own candidates in local elections.
So you can’t just dump ballots at the county level. If you try it at the city or town level, the number of votes counted won’t match the number recorded in each town.

I didn't say they needed nor cared about any individual town....the dems cheated multiple ways. In this instance, they targeted larger population areas and stuff ballots there which is why we see the lopsided loss of entire counties to biden (when compared to Obama) but he somehow got more votes in the much fewer counties.

This isn't human nature--if biden was more popular than Obama, you would see more counties go for Biden not 40% or so less.

What you are babbling about has nothing to do with anything, but I think you know this right.

The trouble with larger population centers is that they can be split between multiple congressional districts, state House districts and state senate districts. That becomes much harder to slip phony ballots in.

The rieason that Biden got more votes than Obama despite winning fewer counties is because Biden won larger suburban counties.

In 2012, Obama lost in Gwinnet County with around 160,000 votes out of 297,000 votes. In 2020, Biden won the county with 242,000 votes out of 402,000 votes. Biden got 82,000 nore votes out of the 105,000 extra people who voted in 2020.

The reason Biden got more votes is because of fraud.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

So lame.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump and his supporters are attacking this country. You are trying to establish a dictatorship and assaulting free speech rights in this country.

Trying to get the courts to acknowledge the election was stolen is not attacking the country.

Like they did on Jan 6?

Congress are the people who fucked up Jan 6th. They knew 40% of voters wanted fraud investigated and they did nothing. It is in the hands of the people in the swing states now and they are going to prove fraud.

The Faithless Party will never be able to overturn the 2020 election. Their only hope is to overthrow the Constitution that they've obviously lost faith in.

It is the Democrats ignoring the Constitution. Those audits are a Constitutional right. They are well in the purview of the state legislatures that control and make the laws about elections. Calling those people traitors shows the disrespect Democrats have for the Constitution, not the people behind the audits.

The States election laws were all followed in 2020 and the results were certified. There is no official audit being conducted that can change the results of the election. Having lost faith in our Constitution, the Neo-GOP are becoming more radical.

The states election laws were changed without the state legislature. Start telling the truth.

I don't believe a single law was changed. All 50 States certified their election results in 2020.

There were some management and rule changes to accommodate COVID conditions...that Secretary of States put in.... Booth separation, sanitizing, fewer voting places and consolidation in to mega huge voting places, and many things for safety....but Secretary of States are given in their State constitutions and in election law by legislatures to put out rules and guidance for voters and on how to execute the election, so they run smoothly, or to ensure accuracy, or to accommodate that one man one vote is equal and fair kind of things that circumstances in their state required at the time.

Many times the republican legislature with the Trump campaign sued the Secretary of States, to stop some of the guidance they gave.... These are cases that are said to be the 60 or so that Trump lost, even on appeal, that are mentioned a lot... Only one that I know of, made it to the Supreme court after the election, that I mentioned in my previous post....which disagree with a lower court ruling.

I believe there was another case at the state level about a ruling or clarification of how to review signatures on mail in ballots, it was reversed but it was revealed that the new rule didn't change a single ballot.

In addition to that, the state passed new legislation that pretty much eliminates the issue... For all future elections, on signatures not matching, the precinct notifies the person and they have something like 10 days to correct their signatures on file and or ballot. So those citizens with signature rejections, can correct them...which seems fair, to me....even if the SOS didn't slack guidelines, there is a remedy to an unwarranted rejection.

Thanks. I hadn't followed that development.

 

[Care4all]

Trump and his supporters are attacking this country. You are trying to establish a dictatorship and assaulting free speech rights in this country.

Trying to get the courts to acknowledge the election was stolen is not attacking the country.

Like they did on Jan 6?

Congress are the people who fucked up Jan 6th. They knew 40% of voters wanted fraud investigated and they did nothing. It is in the hands of the people in the swing states now and they are going to prove fraud.

There was no fraud to investigate. Many Republicans who voted to overturn the elecrtion know this and they did it for political reasons.

If those states REALLY BELIEVED the election was fraudulent and Biden therefore is not President, then those Republican legislators would be calling the entire election a fraud, and those Republican US senators and US congressmen, and State congress critters and senators who won their seats in the 2020 November election would be fraudulent as well....null and void....but the Rs ain't doing such....

 

[Dragonlady]

Well, well, this is interesting.

Serial numbers missing between original, duplicate ballots in Arizona election audit: official​

Serial numbers missing between original, duplicate ballots in Arizona election audit: official

"We are struggling as to how we're going to be able to match up" ballots that couldn't be read by machines, Ken Bennett says.

justthenews.com

EXCERPT:

The liaison between Senate Republicans who authorized the audit and county officials told a hearing Tuesday that serial numbers were missing on damaged ballots that were duplicated so they could be read by vote tabulation machines.

But he has found many batches of damaged ballots without the serial numbers that are on the duplicates, violating state law.

Asked by Fann if Maricopa County could assist in that effort, Bennett said county officials have made clear to him several times they wouldn't work with any of the auditors the Senate Republicans hired. He will ask for their help directly, Bennett said.

How do we know the auditors didn't remove them themselves? There's a definite agenda to prove something went on and some are getting nervous, because very little has been found. I wouldn't put it past the more crazed individuals to go rogue.

Any proof these auditors are “crazed”? There are three different auditor groups, and independent observers.

Well the owner of the Cyber Ninjas is self-admitted believer in Q-Anon. One of the workers has been identified as having been at the Capitol on January 6th, also self-admitted. These people are convinced the election was stolen from the start.

 

[Lastamender]

Trump and his supporters are attacking this country. You are trying to establish a dictatorship and assaulting free speech rights in this country.

Trying to get the courts to acknowledge the election was stolen is not attacking the country.

Like they did on Jan 6?

Congress are the people who fucked up Jan 6th. They knew 40% of voters wanted fraud investigated and they did nothing. It is in the hands of the people in the swing states now and they are going to prove fraud.

There was no fraud to investigate. Many Republicans who voted to overturn the elecrtion know this and they did it for political reasons.

If those states REALLY BELIEVED the election was fraudulent and Biden therefore is not President, then those Republican legislators would be calling the entire election a fraud, and those Republican US senators and US congressmen, and State congress critters and senators who won their seats in the 2020 November election would be fraudulent as well....null and void....but the Rs ain't doing such....

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

 

[rightwinger]

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

If the people believe that 2+2=5
Do we need an investigation?

 

[bripat9643]

Trump and his supporters are attacking this country. You are trying to establish a dictatorship and assaulting free speech rights in this country.

Trying to get the courts to acknowledge the election was stolen is not attacking the country.

Like they did on Jan 6?

Congress are the people who fucked up Jan 6th. They knew 40% of voters wanted fraud investigated and they did nothing. It is in the hands of the people in the swing states now and they are going to prove fraud.

The Faithless Party will never be able to overturn the 2020 election. Their only hope is to overthrow the Constitution that they've obviously lost faith in.

It is the Democrats ignoring the Constitution. Those audits are a Constitutional right. They are well in the purview of the state legislatures that control and make the laws about elections. Calling those people traitors shows the disrespect Democrats have for the Constitution, not the people behind the audits.

The States election laws were all followed in 2020 and the results were certified. There is no official audit being conducted that can change the results of the election. Having lost faith in our Constitution, the Neo-GOP are becoming more radical.

The states election laws were changed without the state legislature. Start telling the truth.

I don't believe a single law was changed. All 50 States certified their election results in 2020.

There were some management and rule changes to accommodate COVID conditions...that Secretary of States put in.... Booth separation, sanitizing, fewer voting places and consolidation in to mega huge voting places, and many things for safety....but Secretary of States are given in their State constitutions and in election law by legislatures to put out rules and guidance for voters and on how to execute the election, so they run smoothly, or to ensure accuracy, or to accommodate that one man one vote is equal and fair kind of things that circumstances in their state required at the time.

Many times the republican legislature with the Trump campaign sued the Secretary of States, to stop some of the guidance they gave.... These are cases that are said to be the 60 or so that Trump lost, even on appeal, that are mentioned a lot... Only one that I know of, made it to the Supreme court after the election, that I mentioned in my previous post....which disagree with a lower court ruling.

I believe there was another case at the state level about a ruling or clarification of how to review signatures on mail in ballots, it was reversed but it was revealed that the new rule didn't change a single ballot.

Why don't we wait for the results of the audit? What you say is meaningless now.

Private audits conducted by "citizen's groups" are useless at proving anything. These people are biased, untrained, unprofessional, and believe the lies of the fraud. In the case of the Arizona Group, they have destroyed the ballots and the voting machines in their care and handling of both.

The State Senate in Arizona balked at the cost of having trained and qualified people conduct the audit for $8 million. The Cyber Ninjas are charging $150,000, and it now appears have lied about their qualifications as a "security" firm.

All lies, of course.

 

[bripat9643]

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

If the people believe that 2+2=5
Do we need an investigation?

Yes, we need to investigate when Dims claim 2+2=5 to justify one of their witch hunts.

 

[rightwinger]

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

If the people believe that 2+2=5
Do we need an investigation?

Yes, we need to investigate when Dims claim 2+2=5 to justify one of their witch hunts.

I know you are...but what am I?

 

[bripat9643]

The county is the lowest level. The people doing the counting would have had to do it in this case.

OK let’s go with that

The guy with the suitcases of fake ballots shows up at the county collection point and adds them to the count.
Let’s say he has 10,000 fake ballots.

Then the county publishes the results with 10,000 fake votes.
But each town in that county has recorded its own votes before they sent them to the county.

Someone would add up the votes registered by each town and conclude that there are 10,000 extra votes

Doesn’t happen

No, they would have to dump the fake ballots in the largest counties instead of worrying about each town and each county in the state which would result in Biden winning fewer counties than Obama but still having "more" votes. Remember biden only won a little over 1/2 the counties that Obama did-------------CLEARLY FRAUDULENT VOTES were added in.

Again, people don’t vote as a county. There is no generic county vote. Each town and city has its own ballot with its own candidates in local elections.
So you can’t just dump ballots at the county level. If you try it at the city or town level, the number of votes counted won’t match the number recorded in each town.

I didn't say they needed nor cared about any individual town....the dems cheated multiple ways. In this instance, they targeted larger population areas and stuff ballots there which is why we see the lopsided loss of entire counties to biden (when compared to Obama) but he somehow got more votes in the much fewer counties.

This isn't human nature--if biden was more popular than Obama, you would see more counties go for Biden not 40% or so less.

What you are babbling about has nothing to do with anything, but I think you know this right.

Again....stuff ballots with WHICH ballots?

Each town has a different ballot, which one do you stuff the ballot box with?

If the final count shows more votes that in those towns than people who voted.....you have fraud

But the counts MATCH

LOL!!


The count in Detroit did not match. In Detroit, GOP poll observers were forcibly removed, the windows were boarded up, and the county board GOP said the count did not match the ballots, because, as one black poll worker said, the cheaters were scanning biden ballots over and over.

There were undercounts and overcounts in all counties including counties that Trump won. No poll observers were removed. That is a lie. The incident in question was when a group of protestors were outside the window shouting and screaming at them in a attempt to intimidate the vote counters. They put something over the windows to keep the noise dows. There were no ballots scanned over and over. Even a Republican legislator called that accusation out in a hearing.

All lies, of course.

 

[bripat9643]

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

If the people believe that 2+2=5
Do we need an investigation?

Yes, we need to investigate when Dims claim 2+2=5 to justify one of their witch hunts.

I know you are...but what am I?

I liar.

 

[bripat9643]

The county is the lowest level. The people doing the counting would have had to do it in this case.

OK let’s go with that

The guy with the suitcases of fake ballots shows up at the county collection point and adds them to the count.
Let’s say he has 10,000 fake ballots.

Then the county publishes the results with 10,000 fake votes.
But each town in that county has recorded its own votes before they sent them to the county.

Someone would add up the votes registered by each town and conclude that there are 10,000 extra votes

Doesn’t happen

No, they would have to dump the fake ballots in the largest counties instead of worrying about each town and each county in the state which would result in Biden winning fewer counties than Obama but still having "more" votes. Remember biden only won a little over 1/2 the counties that Obama did-------------CLEARLY FRAUDULENT VOTES were added in.

Again, people don’t vote as a county. There is no generic county vote. Each town and city has its own ballot with its own candidates in local elections.
So you can’t just dump ballots at the county level. If you try it at the city or town level, the number of votes counted won’t match the number recorded in each town.

I didn't say they needed nor cared about any individual town....the dems cheated multiple ways. In this instance, they targeted larger population areas and stuff ballots there which is why we see the lopsided loss of entire counties to biden (when compared to Obama) but he somehow got more votes in the much fewer counties.

This isn't human nature--if biden was more popular than Obama, you would see more counties go for Biden not 40% or so less.

What you are babbling about has nothing to do with anything, but I think you know this right.

You keep posting on probabilities and ignoring realities, and trying to put the numbers into statistical probability charts.

None of your statistical analysis matters. What matters is the vote count, and they put the lie to EVERYTHING you post.

The vote count is precisely where the fraud comes in. What you are saying is that fraud doesn't matter. We know you don't care as long as the fraud is in the Democrat's favor.

There was no fraude in the vote count.

Prove it, asshole.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump and his supporters are attacking this country. You are trying to establish a dictatorship and assaulting free speech rights in this country.

Trying to get the courts to acknowledge the election was stolen is not attacking the country.

Like they did on Jan 6?

Congress are the people who fucked up Jan 6th. They knew 40% of voters wanted fraud investigated and they did nothing. It is in the hands of the people in the swing states now and they are going to prove fraud.

There was no fraud to investigate. Many Republicans who voted to overturn the elecrtion know this and they did it for political reasons.

If those states REALLY BELIEVED the election was fraudulent and Biden therefore is not President, then those Republican legislators would be calling the entire election a fraud, and those Republican US senators and US congressmen, and State congress critters and senators who won their seats in the 2020 November election would be fraudulent as well....null and void....but the Rs ain't doing such....

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

Not very many people believe it. Only 53% of Republicans, which is somewhere around 25% of the people. That's around the same percentage of Americans that still believe the birther conspiracy.

The gullible fools.

 

[bripat9643]

Good job, faun.

Closing the polling station, sending the GOP and the media home, pulling out suitcases of fraud ballots and counting them with no observers....

Nothing "insecure" about that!!!

You're fucked in the head, loser. Other than observers who left for a few hours because they thought counting was done, none of that happened. How sad you believe the election was stolen, not because it was, but because you're delirious. We know exactly what happened because Republicans explained it...

They were told to go home, asshole, and that's precisely when the clerks pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table where they were hidden.

There were no ballots hidden under a table. They were scanning the ballots that had been checked by observers into the system. The ballots in Georgia were counted 3 times. Except for 1 error, it came out the same way. The number of votes were equivalent to the number of ballots on the poll book.

The video show an election official pulling out a box of ballots from under a table and then proceeding to count them.

How much of a fucking liar can you be?

You can count fake ballots over and over until doomsday and still get the same number.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump and his supporters are attacking this country. You are trying to establish a dictatorship and assaulting free speech rights in this country.

Trying to get the courts to acknowledge the election was stolen is not attacking the country.

Like they did on Jan 6?

Congress are the people who fucked up Jan 6th. They knew 40% of voters wanted fraud investigated and they did nothing. It is in the hands of the people in the swing states now and they are going to prove fraud.

There was no fraud to investigate. Many Republicans who voted to overturn the elecrtion know this and they did it for political reasons.

No one is swallowing your talking points, douchebag.

 

[bripat9643]

The county is the lowest level. The people doing the counting would have had to do it in this case.

OK let’s go with that

The guy with the suitcases of fake ballots shows up at the county collection point and adds them to the count.
Let’s say he has 10,000 fake ballots.

Then the county publishes the results with 10,000 fake votes.
But each town in that county has recorded its own votes before they sent them to the county.

Someone would add up the votes registered by each town and conclude that there are 10,000 extra votes

Doesn’t happen

No, they would have to dump the fake ballots in the largest counties instead of worrying about each town and each county in the state which would result in Biden winning fewer counties than Obama but still having "more" votes. Remember biden only won a little over 1/2 the counties that Obama did-------------CLEARLY FRAUDULENT VOTES were added in.

Again, people don’t vote as a county. There is no generic county vote. Each town and city has its own ballot with its own candidates in local elections.
So you can’t just dump ballots at the county level. If you try it at the city or town level, the number of votes counted won’t match the number recorded in each town.

I didn't say they needed nor cared about any individual town....the dems cheated multiple ways. In this instance, they targeted larger population areas and stuff ballots there which is why we see the lopsided loss of entire counties to biden (when compared to Obama) but he somehow got more votes in the much fewer counties.

This isn't human nature--if biden was more popular than Obama, you would see more counties go for Biden not 40% or so less.

What you are babbling about has nothing to do with anything, but I think you know this right.

You keep posting on probabilities and ignoring realities, and trying to put the numbers into statistical probability charts.

None of your statistical analysis matters. What matters is the vote count, and they put the lie to EVERYTHING you post.

The delirium among America's right is off the charts.

Trump did this.

Why? Because he puts himself above the interests of America.

I really wish you would not mention America in your posts. You clearly hate this country.

You are the one who hates this country. Otherwise you wouldn't be attacking it.

He isn't attacking it, moron. He's attacking Democrats.

 

[Lastamender]

4 minute video. Worth every second.

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[rightwinger]

The people believe it, the corrupt politicians do not for purely political reasons. It looks like the people are going to take care of it insist their representatives represent them. They will demand audits. That is how America is supposed to work.

If the people believe that 2+2=5
Do we need an investigation?

Yes, we need to investigate when Dims claim 2+2=5 to justify one of their witch hunts.

I know you are...but what am I?

I liar.

I know you are but what am I?