"Settlements" Are Not Illegal

[RoccoR]

Tehon, et al,

The question is irrelevant.

"The Accords were the result of various negotiations between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in an attempt to resolve the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The Accords stipulated that the Palestinian Authority be officially recognized by Israel as the governing body of the Palestinian people and be afforded self-government in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The PLO in turn recognized Israel's right to exist and renounced its intent to attack and destroy that state. Such "permanent issues" as border security and Israeli settlements were left out of the accords purposely, to be resolved in other talks. The agreement was signed by Mahmoud Abbas (PLO) and Shimon Peres (Israel)."

Primary Sources: Oslo I Accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements)
Published September 13, 1993

Exchange of Letters: 3. LETTER FROM PRIME MINISTER RABIN TO YASSER ARAFAT:

Does Israel recognize Palestine as a State and how does that bear on the duties of Palestinians in regards to the law?

(OBSERVATION)

It actually does not matter what the Government of Israel thinks.

The State of Palestine Accedes to the Rome Statutes ICC-ASP-20150107-PR1082
On a related development, the Government of Palestine accepted, by means of a declaration under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute, the ICC jurisdiction since 13 June 2014. On 7 January 2015, the ICC Registrar addressed a letter to the government of Palestine accepting this declaration and transmitted it to the Prosecutor for her consideration.

Phase 2: Subject-matter jurisdiction
Jurisdiction – General status
On 1 January 2015, the Government of Palestine lodged a declaration under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute accepting the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC) over alleged crimes committed "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, since June 13, 2014". On 2 January 2015, the Government of Palestine acceded to the Rome Statute by depositing its instrument of accession with the UN Secretary-General. The Rome Statute entered into force on 1 April 2015.

Palestine, State of
Ratification and Implementation Status:
State of Palestine acceded to the Rome Statute on 2 January 2015. The Rome Statute will enter into force for the State of Palestine on 1 April 2015.

On a related development, the Government of the State of Palestine accepted, by means of a declaration under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute, the ICC jurisdiction since 13 June 2014.

Last update:
19/01/2015

​

(COMMENT)

I think it is pretty clear, by the language used, that the Court believes their is a Government of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well let's run through some of these.

The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.

(COMMENT)

Any country can decide that a treaty is no longer in its best interest and just quit it (terminate).

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document. Any Israeli Action may be justified if it furthers regional peace and security affecting Israel and is a set of effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression. In the beginning, the Arab League and the elements represented by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) stipulated the threat by "OATH" (Statement of 6 February 1948 Communicated to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh, Representative of the Arab Higher Committee). This same threat was essentially repeated in the 1968 Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Charter, as well as the call to Jihad in the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, and again repeated in the 2012 Policy Statement. While the Hashemite Kingdom and the Government of Egypt have both come to terms for peace, abandoning the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Lebanon has not and operated against Israel through the Hezbollah proxy, with the Stability in Syria unable to rational come to terms and may itself be a government about to collapse.

Having said that, and outline the type and kind of the threat presented by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) in Posting #84, it is not in the best interest of the Jewish State of Israel to further allow the further development of threat capacities and capabilities in addition to those already used against Israel and its territorial integrity, political independence, and commercial and economic interests --- in any other manner inconsistent with maintain the preace and security of the citizens of Israel (again see Posting #84).

Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).

(COMMENT)

Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- to deprive the population (HoAP) or any protections. And Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- the renouncement of "rights." In the case of the HoAP, they are setting the condition under which Israel may be able to help improve conditions; except for the fact that the HoAP are actively working against the performance. Thus action taken to settle regional and international disputes by peaceful means, prevented by the actions outline in Posting #84 is a case of non-performance on the part of the HoAP.

The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of questions here that need litigated.

...a claim to sovereignty based not upon some particular act or title such as a treaty of cession but merely upon continued display of authority, involves two elements each of which must be shown to exist: the intention and will to act as sovereign, and some actual exercise or display of such authority.
SOURCE: Permanent Court of International Justice, Advisory Opinion regarding Eastern Greenland, ICJ Reports 1933, p. 45 {territory disputed between Denmark and Norway).​

The territory Occupied in 1967 by the Israelis was sovereign Jordanian territory at the time effective control was establish. The Hashemite Kingdom abandon that territory in JUL 1988:

Occupation is the acquisition of terra nullius – that is, territory which immediately before acquisition belonged to no state (example, the West Bank AUG 1988). The territory may never have belonged to any state, or it may have been abandoned by the previous sovereign. Abandonment of territory requires not only failure to exercise authority over the territory, but also an intention to abandon the territory. […] Nowadays there are hardly any parts of the world that could be considered as terra nullius. […] Territory is occupied when it is placed under effective control by the purported sovereign”. Not to be confused with concept of foreign military occupation.​

it was only because the Israeli Government recognized the "right of self-determination" that the they permitted the declaration of independence by the PLO over the same territory over which Israel maintained "effective control." It should be notice, that not withstanding UN recognition, the PLO (sole representative of the Palestinian People, 7th Arab League Conference) has -- at no time since declaring independence. but before 1995 (Oslo II), has the Palestinians maintained effective control --- later 2005 (Gaza Strip), Israeli unilateral withdrawal.

Occupation is only a temporary situation,

and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.

(COMMENT)

Who is arguing otherwise. It is not mandated but has been stated that the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention are applicable up to one-year after the close of hostilities. The HoAP has not permitted a term of peace for a year since the time of the Armistice.

In the case of occupied territory, the application of the present Convention shall cease one year after the general close of military operations; Article 6, GCIV.

The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.

(COMMENT)

This is a Hague Regulation (Article 43) requirement. However it is not binding in that, the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the West Bank 31 JUL 1988. The PLO did not declare independence until 15 NOV 1988. During that interim period, Israel was the only Article 42/43 Legitimate Power. The laws at the time the the laws in force at the time the PLO Declared Independence were default to Israeli Law.

The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.

To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.

(COMMENT)

The limiting factor here is that of the HoAP. For the last half century, the HoAP have prevented the proper focus on these issues. I know that the diversion of funding from the PLO Budget for Palestine has not impact on these issues. In time of war, most social services suffer. It is up to the leadership to establish peace such that funding can be redirected to meet the needs of the people.

The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.

(COMMENT)

I honestly did not know that the IDF was forcibly conscripting HoAP. News to me...

Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.

Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.

(COMMENT)

This has been discussed to death. Some HoAP added that "regardless whether forcible or voluntary" phrase. The Rome Statues of the ICC does not say that. The Article 7(1d) Crimes Against Humanity page 3 says:

• (d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
​

And Article 7(2d) page 4, defines it more specifically:

• (d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law;
​

Collective punishment is prohibited.

The taking of hostages is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between the level seriousness and the gravity of the crimes allegedly committed in the situation the Office shall consider various factors including their scale, nature, manner of commission, and impact. In the last half century, the magnitude, number, number seriousness and gravity of the allegations are all relatively small. if you assess just since the Rmoe Statutes when into force, the number is quite small. However, just since the time the Rome Statues went into force, the HoAP activity that might reach the level s for consideration is not easily counted. There are some 14,000(+) indiscriminate rocket launches alone.

Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.

The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.

(COMMENT)

Each complaint in these categories, must be evaluated individually.

PART 3. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
Article 22(2) Page 18 Nullum crimen sine lege

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.
​

Cultural property must be respected.

(COMMENT)

People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charged with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).
Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is one of those thing that is varied from country to country. Some terrorist never see the judicial system. You just put a diaper on them and set them in the corner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document.​

Colonialism is an aggressive act. The Palestinians are defending themselves.

That's funny.

Taqiyya is not going to help you here. Islamic terrorism is not defending anyone.

You should read the Hamas Charter for an instructive lesson in gee-had. So, I read the Hamas islamo-fascist Charter. It was tedious, incondite, and long-winded, but instructive nevertheless in demonstrating a firm religious basis for the violent expansion of Islamic supremacy through gee-had. I found this sanction and obligation for holy war in the Hamas Charter consistent with the islamo-fascist rambling of the Moslem Brotherhood and confirmed and reinforced when I read the hadith (the collections of sunnah—the deeds, behavior, and words of Muhammad (swish) and his companions) of Bukhari and Muslim, which are considered to be wholly authentic. Throughout the sunnah, gee-had is glorified as a supreme act of faith. I've also read Sirat Rasul Allah, Muhammad's (swish) sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, the 'Umdat al-Salik manual of Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence as applied in shari'ah law), works by Sayyid Qutb, Ibn Taimiyyah, Abul-A`la al-Maududi, Abdullah Azzam, and any other writings I could find from islamo-sheikhs and scholars.

Are you really suggesting that 14,000 rockets fired at Israel, stabbings, shootings, islamo-tunnels, car bombings and an entire islamo-welfare fraud dedicated to furthering Islamic terrorism is simply Islamic terrorists "defending themselves"?

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

Your response was pointless and irrelevant.

What you're unable and unwilling to address is the very text of the Hamas Charter which does not concern itself with the "occupation" slogans but does reiterate standard Islamo-fascist ideological imperatives including gee-had, waqf and Jew killing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well let's run through some of these.

The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.

(COMMENT)

Any country can decide that a treaty is no longer in its best interest and just quit it (terminate).

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document. Any Israeli Action may be justified if it furthers regional peace and security affecting Israel and is a set of effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression. In the beginning, the Arab League and the elements represented by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) stipulated the threat by "OATH" (Statement of 6 February 1948 Communicated to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh, Representative of the Arab Higher Committee). This same threat was essentially repeated in the 1968 Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Charter, as well as the call to Jihad in the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, and again repeated in the 2012 Policy Statement. While the Hashemite Kingdom and the Government of Egypt have both come to terms for peace, abandoning the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Lebanon has not and operated against Israel through the Hezbollah proxy, with the Stability in Syria unable to rational come to terms and may itself be a government about to collapse.

Having said that, and outline the type and kind of the threat presented by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) in Posting #84, it is not in the best interest of the Jewish State of Israel to further allow the further development of threat capacities and capabilities in addition to those already used against Israel and its territorial integrity, political independence, and commercial and economic interests --- in any other manner inconsistent with maintain the preace and security of the citizens of Israel (again see Posting #84).

Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).

(COMMENT)

Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- to deprive the population (HoAP) or any protections. And Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- the renouncement of "rights." In the case of the HoAP, they are setting the condition under which Israel may be able to help improve conditions; except for the fact that the HoAP are actively working against the performance. Thus action taken to settle regional and international disputes by peaceful means, prevented by the actions outline in Posting #84 is a case of non-performance on the part of the HoAP.

The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of questions here that need litigated.

...a claim to sovereignty based not upon some particular act or title such as a treaty of cession but merely upon continued display of authority, involves two elements each of which must be shown to exist: the intention and will to act as sovereign, and some actual exercise or display of such authority.
SOURCE: Permanent Court of International Justice, Advisory Opinion regarding Eastern Greenland, ICJ Reports 1933, p. 45 {territory disputed between Denmark and Norway).​

The territory Occupied in 1967 by the Israelis was sovereign Jordanian territory at the time effective control was establish. The Hashemite Kingdom abandon that territory in JUL 1988:

Occupation is the acquisition of terra nullius – that is, territory which immediately before acquisition belonged to no state (example, the West Bank AUG 1988). The territory may never have belonged to any state, or it may have been abandoned by the previous sovereign. Abandonment of territory requires not only failure to exercise authority over the territory, but also an intention to abandon the territory. […] Nowadays there are hardly any parts of the world that could be considered as terra nullius. […] Territory is occupied when it is placed under effective control by the purported sovereign”. Not to be confused with concept of foreign military occupation.​

it was only because the Israeli Government recognized the "right of self-determination" that the they permitted the declaration of independence by the PLO over the same territory over which Israel maintained "effective control." It should be notice, that not withstanding UN recognition, the PLO (sole representative of the Palestinian People, 7th Arab League Conference) has -- at no time since declaring independence. but before 1995 (Oslo II), has the Palestinians maintained effective control --- later 2005 (Gaza Strip), Israeli unilateral withdrawal.

Occupation is only a temporary situation,

and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.

(COMMENT)

Who is arguing otherwise. It is not mandated but has been stated that the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention are applicable up to one-year after the close of hostilities. The HoAP has not permitted a term of peace for a year since the time of the Armistice.

In the case of occupied territory, the application of the present Convention shall cease one year after the general close of military operations; Article 6, GCIV.

The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.

(COMMENT)

This is a Hague Regulation (Article 43) requirement. However it is not binding in that, the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the West Bank 31 JUL 1988. The PLO did not declare independence until 15 NOV 1988. During that interim period, Israel was the only Article 42/43 Legitimate Power. The laws at the time the the laws in force at the time the PLO Declared Independence were default to Israeli Law.

The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.

To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.

(COMMENT)

The limiting factor here is that of the HoAP. For the last half century, the HoAP have prevented the proper focus on these issues. I know that the diversion of funding from the PLO Budget for Palestine has not impact on these issues. In time of war, most social services suffer. It is up to the leadership to establish peace such that funding can be redirected to meet the needs of the people.

The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.

(COMMENT)

I honestly did not know that the IDF was forcibly conscripting HoAP. News to me...

Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.

Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.

(COMMENT)

This has been discussed to death. Some HoAP added that "regardless whether forcible or voluntary" phrase. The Rome Statues of the ICC does not say that. The Article 7(1d) Crimes Against Humanity page 3 says:

• (d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
​

And Article 7(2d) page 4, defines it more specifically:

• (d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law;
​

Collective punishment is prohibited.

The taking of hostages is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between the level seriousness and the gravity of the crimes allegedly committed in the situation the Office shall consider various factors including their scale, nature, manner of commission, and impact. In the last half century, the magnitude, number, number seriousness and gravity of the allegations are all relatively small. if you assess just since the Rmoe Statutes when into force, the number is quite small. However, just since the time the Rome Statues went into force, the HoAP activity that might reach the level s for consideration is not easily counted. There are some 14,000(+) indiscriminate rocket launches alone.

Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.

The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.

(COMMENT)

Each complaint in these categories, must be evaluated individually.

PART 3. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
Article 22(2) Page 18 Nullum crimen sine lege

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.
​

Cultural property must be respected.

(COMMENT)

People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charged with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).
Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is one of those thing that is varied from country to country. Some terrorist never see the judicial system. You just put a diaper on them and set them in the corner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document.​

Colonialism is an aggressive act. The Palestinians are defending themselves.

That's funny.

Taqiyya is not going to help you here. Islamic terrorism is not defending anyone.

You should read the Hamas Charter for an instructive lesson in gee-had. So, I read the Hamas islamo-fascist Charter. It was tedious, incondite, and long-winded, but instructive nevertheless in demonstrating a firm religious basis for the violent expansion of Islamic supremacy through gee-had. I found this sanction and obligation for holy war in the Hamas Charter consistent with the islamo-fascist rambling of the Moslem Brotherhood and confirmed and reinforced when I read the hadith (the collections of sunnah—the deeds, behavior, and words of Muhammad (swish) and his companions) of Bukhari and Muslim, which are considered to be wholly authentic. Throughout the sunnah, gee-had is glorified as a supreme act of faith. I've also read Sirat Rasul Allah, Muhammad's (swish) sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, the 'Umdat al-Salik manual of Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence as applied in shari'ah law), works by Sayyid Qutb, Ibn Taimiyyah, Abul-A`la al-Maududi, Abdullah Azzam, and any other writings I could find from islamo-sheikhs and scholars.

Are you really suggesting that 14,000 rockets fired at Israel, stabbings, shootings, islamo-tunnels, car bombings and an entire islamo-welfare fraud dedicated to furthering Islamic terrorism is simply Islamic terrorists "defending themselves"?

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

Your response was pointless and irrelevant.

What you're unable and unwilling to address is the very text of the Hamas Charter which does not concern itself with the "occupation" slogans but does reiterate standard Islamo-fascist ideological imperatives including gee-had, waqf and Jew killing.

There are about 12,000,000 Palestinians and only about 20,000 are Hamas and there are a verity of beliefs within those ranks. And you always throw up a few of the nutballs like all Palestinians are like that.

That is very misleading.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you are talking about uniquely Hebrew supernaturals, monsters and demons, most come directly from biblical forklore (like Lilith). Otherwise, it is hard to distinguish imaginary monsters and the men that become monsters - like HAMAS.

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish have this type of Demonic Possession or Entity that captures souls (the human spirit). It is very similar to the demon that is depicted in movies like the "Exorcist." The Jewish call it a "Dybbuk."

But before HAMAS, there was a man that many thought turned from good to evil as early as the 1920's; he as a Syrian Imam, and old fashion Islamic revivalist. His name was Izz ad-Din al-Qassam; the name sake for the HAMAS rocket. [The Qassam-3 is a 170mm Rocket that was introduced by HAMAS in 2005 (the year of the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.)] Izz ad-Din al-Qassam formed Insurgent cells to attack British and Jewish soft-targets; usually at night.

(ANSWER)

While there are some that believe the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, was a disguised evil; for sure the Islamic Evangelist Izz ad-Din al-Qassam was definitely evil.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course there are many Palestinian leaders. Dr. Mustafa Barghouti ran against Abbas in the 2005 presidential election. Barghouti ran in the Palestinian Initiation Party that is a party of peace that does not have a military wing. The US and Israel wanted Abbas and did whatever they could to have Abbas elected.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well let's run through some of these.

The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.

(COMMENT)

Any country can decide that a treaty is no longer in its best interest and just quit it (terminate).

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document. Any Israeli Action may be justified if it furthers regional peace and security affecting Israel and is a set of effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression. In the beginning, the Arab League and the elements represented by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) stipulated the threat by "OATH" (Statement of 6 February 1948 Communicated to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh, Representative of the Arab Higher Committee). This same threat was essentially repeated in the 1968 Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Charter, as well as the call to Jihad in the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, and again repeated in the 2012 Policy Statement. While the Hashemite Kingdom and the Government of Egypt have both come to terms for peace, abandoning the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Lebanon has not and operated against Israel through the Hezbollah proxy, with the Stability in Syria unable to rational come to terms and may itself be a government about to collapse.

Having said that, and outline the type and kind of the threat presented by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) in Posting #84, it is not in the best interest of the Jewish State of Israel to further allow the further development of threat capacities and capabilities in addition to those already used against Israel and its territorial integrity, political independence, and commercial and economic interests --- in any other manner inconsistent with maintain the preace and security of the citizens of Israel (again see Posting #84).

Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).

(COMMENT)

Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- to deprive the population (HoAP) or any protections. And Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- the renouncement of "rights." In the case of the HoAP, they are setting the condition under which Israel may be able to help improve conditions; except for the fact that the HoAP are actively working against the performance. Thus action taken to settle regional and international disputes by peaceful means, prevented by the actions outline in Posting #84 is a case of non-performance on the part of the HoAP.

The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of questions here that need litigated.

...a claim to sovereignty based not upon some particular act or title such as a treaty of cession but merely upon continued display of authority, involves two elements each of which must be shown to exist: the intention and will to act as sovereign, and some actual exercise or display of such authority.
SOURCE: Permanent Court of International Justice, Advisory Opinion regarding Eastern Greenland, ICJ Reports 1933, p. 45 {territory disputed between Denmark and Norway).​

The territory Occupied in 1967 by the Israelis was sovereign Jordanian territory at the time effective control was establish. The Hashemite Kingdom abandon that territory in JUL 1988:

Occupation is the acquisition of terra nullius – that is, territory which immediately before acquisition belonged to no state (example, the West Bank AUG 1988). The territory may never have belonged to any state, or it may have been abandoned by the previous sovereign. Abandonment of territory requires not only failure to exercise authority over the territory, but also an intention to abandon the territory. […] Nowadays there are hardly any parts of the world that could be considered as terra nullius. […] Territory is occupied when it is placed under effective control by the purported sovereign”. Not to be confused with concept of foreign military occupation.​

it was only because the Israeli Government recognized the "right of self-determination" that the they permitted the declaration of independence by the PLO over the same territory over which Israel maintained "effective control." It should be notice, that not withstanding UN recognition, the PLO (sole representative of the Palestinian People, 7th Arab League Conference) has -- at no time since declaring independence. but before 1995 (Oslo II), has the Palestinians maintained effective control --- later 2005 (Gaza Strip), Israeli unilateral withdrawal.

Occupation is only a temporary situation,

and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.

(COMMENT)

Who is arguing otherwise. It is not mandated but has been stated that the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention are applicable up to one-year after the close of hostilities. The HoAP has not permitted a term of peace for a year since the time of the Armistice.

In the case of occupied territory, the application of the present Convention shall cease one year after the general close of military operations; Article 6, GCIV.

The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.

(COMMENT)

This is a Hague Regulation (Article 43) requirement. However it is not binding in that, the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the West Bank 31 JUL 1988. The PLO did not declare independence until 15 NOV 1988. During that interim period, Israel was the only Article 42/43 Legitimate Power. The laws at the time the the laws in force at the time the PLO Declared Independence were default to Israeli Law.

The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.

To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.

(COMMENT)

The limiting factor here is that of the HoAP. For the last half century, the HoAP have prevented the proper focus on these issues. I know that the diversion of funding from the PLO Budget for Palestine has not impact on these issues. In time of war, most social services suffer. It is up to the leadership to establish peace such that funding can be redirected to meet the needs of the people.

The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.

(COMMENT)

I honestly did not know that the IDF was forcibly conscripting HoAP. News to me...

Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.

Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.

(COMMENT)

This has been discussed to death. Some HoAP added that "regardless whether forcible or voluntary" phrase. The Rome Statues of the ICC does not say that. The Article 7(1d) Crimes Against Humanity page 3 says:

• (d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
​

And Article 7(2d) page 4, defines it more specifically:

• (d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law;
​

Collective punishment is prohibited.

The taking of hostages is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between the level seriousness and the gravity of the crimes allegedly committed in the situation the Office shall consider various factors including their scale, nature, manner of commission, and impact. In the last half century, the magnitude, number, number seriousness and gravity of the allegations are all relatively small. if you assess just since the Rmoe Statutes when into force, the number is quite small. However, just since the time the Rome Statues went into force, the HoAP activity that might reach the level s for consideration is not easily counted. There are some 14,000(+) indiscriminate rocket launches alone.

Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.

The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.

(COMMENT)

Each complaint in these categories, must be evaluated individually.

PART 3. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
Article 22(2) Page 18 Nullum crimen sine lege

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.
​

Cultural property must be respected.

(COMMENT)

People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charged with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).
Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is one of those thing that is varied from country to country. Some terrorist never see the judicial system. You just put a diaper on them and set them in the corner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document.​

Colonialism is an aggressive act. The Palestinians are defending themselves.

That's funny.

Taqiyya is not going to help you here. Islamic terrorism is not defending anyone.

You should read the Hamas Charter for an instructive lesson in gee-had. So, I read the Hamas islamo-fascist Charter. It was tedious, incondite, and long-winded, but instructive nevertheless in demonstrating a firm religious basis for the violent expansion of Islamic supremacy through gee-had. I found this sanction and obligation for holy war in the Hamas Charter consistent with the islamo-fascist rambling of the Moslem Brotherhood and confirmed and reinforced when I read the hadith (the collections of sunnah—the deeds, behavior, and words of Muhammad (swish) and his companions) of Bukhari and Muslim, which are considered to be wholly authentic. Throughout the sunnah, gee-had is glorified as a supreme act of faith. I've also read Sirat Rasul Allah, Muhammad's (swish) sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, the 'Umdat al-Salik manual of Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence as applied in shari'ah law), works by Sayyid Qutb, Ibn Taimiyyah, Abul-A`la al-Maududi, Abdullah Azzam, and any other writings I could find from islamo-sheikhs and scholars.

Are you really suggesting that 14,000 rockets fired at Israel, stabbings, shootings, islamo-tunnels, car bombings and an entire islamo-welfare fraud dedicated to furthering Islamic terrorism is simply Islamic terrorists "defending themselves"?

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

The Eternal Nazislami

Hitler. They must have a persecution complex, right? Why are they so paranoiac?

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well let's run through some of these.

(COMMENT)

Any country can decide that a treaty is no longer in its best interest and just quit it (terminate).

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document. Any Israeli Action may be justified if it furthers regional peace and security affecting Israel and is a set of effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression. In the beginning, the Arab League and the elements represented by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) stipulated the threat by "OATH" (Statement of 6 February 1948 Communicated to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh, Representative of the Arab Higher Committee). This same threat was essentially repeated in the 1968 Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Charter, as well as the call to Jihad in the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, and again repeated in the 2012 Policy Statement. While the Hashemite Kingdom and the Government of Egypt have both come to terms for peace, abandoning the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Lebanon has not and operated against Israel through the Hezbollah proxy, with the Stability in Syria unable to rational come to terms and may itself be a government about to collapse.

Having said that, and outline the type and kind of the threat presented by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) in Posting #84, it is not in the best interest of the Jewish State of Israel to further allow the further development of threat capacities and capabilities in addition to those already used against Israel and its territorial integrity, political independence, and commercial and economic interests --- in any other manner inconsistent with maintain the preace and security of the citizens of Israel (again see Posting #84).

(COMMENT)

Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- to deprive the population (HoAP) or any protections. And Israel IS NOT attempting to --- or advocating for --- the renouncement of "rights." In the case of the HoAP, they are setting the condition under which Israel may be able to help improve conditions; except for the fact that the HoAP are actively working against the performance. Thus action taken to settle regional and international disputes by peaceful means, prevented by the actions outline in Posting #84 is a case of non-performance on the part of the HoAP.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of questions here that need litigated.

...a claim to sovereignty based not upon some particular act or title such as a treaty of cession but merely upon continued display of authority, involves two elements each of which must be shown to exist: the intention and will to act as sovereign, and some actual exercise or display of such authority.
SOURCE: Permanent Court of International Justice, Advisory Opinion regarding Eastern Greenland, ICJ Reports 1933, p. 45 {territory disputed between Denmark and Norway).​

The territory Occupied in 1967 by the Israelis was sovereign Jordanian territory at the time effective control was establish. The Hashemite Kingdom abandon that territory in JUL 1988:

Occupation is the acquisition of terra nullius – that is, territory which immediately before acquisition belonged to no state (example, the West Bank AUG 1988). The territory may never have belonged to any state, or it may have been abandoned by the previous sovereign. Abandonment of territory requires not only failure to exercise authority over the territory, but also an intention to abandon the territory. […] Nowadays there are hardly any parts of the world that could be considered as terra nullius. […] Territory is occupied when it is placed under effective control by the purported sovereign”. Not to be confused with concept of foreign military occupation.​

it was only because the Israeli Government recognized the "right of self-determination" that the they permitted the declaration of independence by the PLO over the same territory over which Israel maintained "effective control." It should be notice, that not withstanding UN recognition, the PLO (sole representative of the Palestinian People, 7th Arab League Conference) has -- at no time since declaring independence. but before 1995 (Oslo II), has the Palestinians maintained effective control --- later 2005 (Gaza Strip), Israeli unilateral withdrawal.

(COMMENT)

Who is arguing otherwise. It is not mandated but has been stated that the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention are applicable up to one-year after the close of hostilities. The HoAP has not permitted a term of peace for a year since the time of the Armistice.

In the case of occupied territory, the application of the present Convention shall cease one year after the general close of military operations; Article 6, GCIV.

(COMMENT)

This is a Hague Regulation (Article 43) requirement. However it is not binding in that, the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the West Bank 31 JUL 1988. The PLO did not declare independence until 15 NOV 1988. During that interim period, Israel was the only Article 42/43 Legitimate Power. The laws at the time the the laws in force at the time the PLO Declared Independence were default to Israeli Law.

(COMMENT)

The limiting factor here is that of the HoAP. For the last half century, the HoAP have prevented the proper focus on these issues. I know that the diversion of funding from the PLO Budget for Palestine has not impact on these issues. In time of war, most social services suffer. It is up to the leadership to establish peace such that funding can be redirected to meet the needs of the people.

(COMMENT)

I honestly did not know that the IDF was forcibly conscripting HoAP. News to me...

(COMMENT)

This has been discussed to death. Some HoAP added that "regardless whether forcible or voluntary" phrase. The Rome Statues of the ICC does not say that. The Article 7(1d) Crimes Against Humanity page 3 says:

• (d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
​

And Article 7(2d) page 4, defines it more specifically:

• (d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law;
​

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between the level seriousness and the gravity of the crimes allegedly committed in the situation the Office shall consider various factors including their scale, nature, manner of commission, and impact. In the last half century, the magnitude, number, number seriousness and gravity of the allegations are all relatively small. if you assess just since the Rmoe Statutes when into force, the number is quite small. However, just since the time the Rome Statues went into force, the HoAP activity that might reach the level s for consideration is not easily counted. There are some 14,000(+) indiscriminate rocket launches alone.

(COMMENT)

Each complaint in these categories, must be evaluated individually.

PART 3. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
Article 22(2) Page 18 Nullum crimen sine lege

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.
​

(COMMENT)


(COMMENT)

Well, this is one of those thing that is varied from country to country. Some terrorist never see the judicial system. You just put a diaper on them and set them in the corner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Codified in the UN Charter, is the "Right of Self-Defense;" which is in most cases, the authoritative document.​

Colonialism is an aggressive act. The Palestinians are defending themselves.

That's funny.

Taqiyya is not going to help you here. Islamic terrorism is not defending anyone.

You should read the Hamas Charter for an instructive lesson in gee-had. So, I read the Hamas islamo-fascist Charter. It was tedious, incondite, and long-winded, but instructive nevertheless in demonstrating a firm religious basis for the violent expansion of Islamic supremacy through gee-had. I found this sanction and obligation for holy war in the Hamas Charter consistent with the islamo-fascist rambling of the Moslem Brotherhood and confirmed and reinforced when I read the hadith (the collections of sunnah—the deeds, behavior, and words of Muhammad (swish) and his companions) of Bukhari and Muslim, which are considered to be wholly authentic. Throughout the sunnah, gee-had is glorified as a supreme act of faith. I've also read Sirat Rasul Allah, Muhammad's (swish) sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, the 'Umdat al-Salik manual of Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence as applied in shari'ah law), works by Sayyid Qutb, Ibn Taimiyyah, Abul-A`la al-Maududi, Abdullah Azzam, and any other writings I could find from islamo-sheikhs and scholars.

Are you really suggesting that 14,000 rockets fired at Israel, stabbings, shootings, islamo-tunnels, car bombings and an entire islamo-welfare fraud dedicated to furthering Islamic terrorism is simply Islamic terrorists "defending themselves"?

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

Your response was pointless and irrelevant.

What you're unable and unwilling to address is the very text of the Hamas Charter which does not concern itself with the "occupation" slogans but does reiterate standard Islamo-fascist ideological imperatives including gee-had, waqf and Jew killing.

There are about 12,000,000 Palestinians and only about 20,000 are Hamas and there are a verity of beliefs within those ranks. And you always throw up a few of the nutballs like all Palestinians are like that.

That is very misleading.

Ah. I see you're employed The Tiny Minority of Violent Extremists™, slogan.

I'm afraid clich'es and slogans aren't going to change the fact of virulent anti-Semitism endemic to Islam and the Arab world and especially apparent in the islamic terrorist enclaves of Gaza and the West Bank. You should spend a few minutes browsing Palestinian Media Watch. Individuals may act one way, and groups of them act another. This statistic doesn't take into consideration what the larger group approves of. Not all people have to actually commit a particular act to approve of it.

This sort of argumentation is merely an attempt to divest oneself of any responsibility from the consequences of the action of the ideology. Just because "not all Pal'istanians car bomb, stab, attack, vilify Jews and incorporate and instill Jew hatred in their young islamo-bot children" doesn't mean the social acceptance of institutionalized Jew hatred by Arabs-Moslems is in anyway mitigated.

You don't know your koran'ology as the Jews are depicted in the koran and several sunna in an extremely unfavorable light, which is easily interpreted as grounds to indulge in lurid hatred and persecution against them. In the Arab press, all manner of lies and slander about the Jews and Israel are presented as fact. To Arab/Moslem sensibilities, it is an affront that not only did the despised Jew return to claim his homeland, but he additionally brought democracy and developed the means to defend it. I think the fact that the Jews can fight back now--more than effectively--is a source of humiliation to the Arab-Moslem world.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you are talking about uniquely Hebrew supernaturals, monsters and demons, most come directly from biblical forklore (like Lilith). Otherwise, it is hard to distinguish imaginary monsters and the men that become monsters - like HAMAS.

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish have this type of Demonic Possession or Entity that captures souls (the human spirit). It is very similar to the demon that is depicted in movies like the "Exorcist." The Jewish call it a "Dybbuk."

But before HAMAS, there was a man that many thought turned from good to evil as early as the 1920's; he as a Syrian Imam, and old fashion Islamic revivalist. His name was Izz ad-Din al-Qassam; the name sake for the HAMAS rocket. [The Qassam-3 is a 170mm Rocket that was introduced by HAMAS in 2005 (the year of the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.)] Izz ad-Din al-Qassam formed Insurgent cells to attack British and Jewish soft-targets; usually at night.

(ANSWER)

While there are some that believe the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, was a disguised evil; for sure the Islamic Evangelist Izz ad-Din al-Qassam was definitely evil.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course there are many Palestinian leaders. Dr. Mustafa Barghouti ran against Abbas in the 2005 presidential election. Barghouti ran in the Palestinian Initiation Party that is a party of peace that does not have a military wing. The US and Israel wanted Abbas and did whatever they could to have Abbas elected.

Practice with me:

I blame the Jews™

I blame the Great Satan™

I'm a helpless child who won't accept responsibility for the choices I make™

 

[Kondor3]

...Israel plans and approves settlements. Israel entices Israelis to move to those settlements by deals on homes and utilities. That may not be considered "forcible" but it is directly responsible. That said, other things become involved like the destruction and expropriation of Palestinian property. Both illegal. The settlers do not move to Palestine. When they go they take Israel with them which is an illegal annexation of occupied territory.

The Israelis are taking what very little is left of Rump (Residual, Leftover) Palestine, one square city block, and one acre, at a time...

It's working great, isn't it?

Pretty soon, the few dumb- ass Palestinians who haven't wised-up and taken their families out of there, are gonna be standing on each other's shoulders, stacked 10 high, on two postage stamp -sized scraps of land, too small to take a shit in...

And there's not a goddamned thing you can do to stop it.

The beetle-browed Neanderthal Muzzies in Gaza and the West Bank are still deluding themselves that they've got any chance whatsoever...

They don't...

Time for them to acknowledge reality, accept ther defeat, pack up their families, and leave Eretz Yisrael forever, while they still can.

Life is too short to spend it on Totally Lost Causes.

Life is to be enjoyed.

Leave.

Live.

 

[P F Tinmore]

...Israel plans and approves settlements. Israel entices Israelis to move to those settlements by deals on homes and utilities. That may not be considered "forcible" but it is directly responsible. That said, other things become involved like the destruction and expropriation of Palestinian property. Both illegal. The settlers do not move to Palestine. When they go they take Israel with them which is an illegal annexation of occupied territory.

The Israelis are taking what very little is left of Rump (Residual, Leftover) Palestine, one square city block, and one acre, at a time...

It's working great, isn't it?

Pretty soon, the few dumb- ass Palestinians who haven't wised-up and taken their families out of there, are gonna be standing on each other's shoulders, stacked 10 high, on two postage stamp -sized scraps of land, too small to take a shit in...

And there's not a goddamned thing you can do to stop it.

The beetle-browed Neanderthal Muzzies in Gaza and the West Bank are still deluding themselves that they've got any chance whatsoever...

They don't...

Time for them to acknowledge reality, accept ther defeat, pack up their families, and leave Eretz Yisrael forever, while they still can.

Life is too short to spend it on Totally Lost Causes.

Life is to be enjoyed.

Leave.

Live.

You are forgetting that the Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat to Israel than those still inside including Hamas.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, don't think for a moment that huge segments of America have overlooked this potential threat. It is just that under law, we are not permitted to treat this potentially "bigger threat" based solely on their membership in that group.

You are forgetting that the Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat to Israel than those still inside including Hamas.

(COMMENT)

The mere fact that other Palestinians note and acknowledge these international threats only tends to strengthen the notion that "Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat" and should be dealt with accordingly. It is a form of intimidation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, don't think for a moment that huge segments of America have overlooked this potential threat. It is just that under law, we are not permitted to treat this potentially "bigger threat" based solely on their membership in that group.

You are forgetting that the Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat to Israel than those still inside including Hamas.

(COMMENT)

The mere fact that other Palestinians note and acknowledge these international threats only tends to strengthen the notion that "Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat" and should be dealt with accordingly. It is a form of intimidation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I am not sure that I understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, don't think for a moment that huge segments of America have overlooked this potential threat. It is just that under law, we are not permitted to treat this potentially "bigger threat" based solely on their membership in that group.

You are forgetting that the Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat to Israel than those still inside including Hamas.

(COMMENT)

The mere fact that other Palestinians note and acknowledge these international threats only tends to strengthen the notion that "Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat" and should be dealt with accordingly. It is a form of intimidation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I am not sure that I understand what you are trying to say.

I'd have bet money on that.

So, outside of the countries of Gaza and the West Bank, where do we find these Islamic terrorist Pal'istanians living outside of Pal'istan? I just never realized there were so many Islamic terrorist countries that you refer to but don't seem to exist outside of your postings.

 

[fanger]

The countries outside the Palestinian territories with significant Palestinian populations are:

• Jordan 3,240,000
• Israel 1,650,000
• Syria 630,000
• Chile 500,000 (largest Palestinian community outside the Middle East).
• Lebanon 402,582
• Saudi Arabia 280,245
• Egypt 270,245
• United States 255,000 (the largest concentrations in Chicago, Detroit and Los Angeles (History of Palestinians in Los Angeles)-San Diego).
• Honduras 250,000
• Guatemala est. 200,000
• Mexico 120,000
• Qatar 100,000
• Germany 80,000
• Kuwait 80,000
• El Salvador 70,000
• Brazil 59,000
• Iraq 57,000
• Yemen 55,000
• Canada 50,975 Palestinian diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, don't think for a moment that huge segments of America have overlooked this potential threat. It is just that under law, we are not permitted to treat this potentially "bigger threat" based solely on their membership in that group.

You are forgetting that the Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat to Israel than those still inside including Hamas.

(COMMENT)

The mere fact that other Palestinians note and acknowledge these international threats only tends to strengthen the notion that "Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat" and should be dealt with accordingly. It is a form of intimidation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I am not sure that I understand what you are trying to say.

I'd have bet money on that.

So, outside of the countries of Gaza and the West Bank, where do we find these Islamic terrorist Pal'istanians living outside of Pal'istan? I just never realized there were so many Islamic terrorist countries that you refer to but don't seem to exist outside of your postings.

Oh jeese!

 

[Kondor3]

...You are forgetting that the Palestinians outside of Palestine are a bigger threat to Israel than those still inside including Hamas.

Only for a generation or so, then, as they scatter to the Four WInds and lose whatever lightweight cohesion they already have, it becomes largely a non-issue.

Once the borders of Eretz Yisrael are secure (see 1922 partition proposal map for concrete definitions), they can deal with your Neanderthals, in the Outback...

 

[Kondor3]

The countries outside the Palestinian territories with significant Palestinian populations are:

• Jordan 3,240,000
• Israel 1,650,000
• Syria 630,000
• Chile 500,000 (largest Palestinian community outside the Middle East).
• Lebanon 402,582
• Saudi Arabia 280,245
• Egypt 270,245
• United States 255,000 (the largest concentrations in Chicago, Detroit and Los Angeles (History of Palestinians in Los Angeles)-San Diego).
• Honduras 250,000
• Guatemala est. 200,000
• Mexico 120,000
• Qatar 100,000
• Germany 80,000
• Kuwait 80,000
• El Salvador 70,000
• Brazil 59,000
• Iraq 57,000
• Yemen 55,000
• Canada 50,975 Palestinian diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Excellent...

That means that the so-called Palestinians will have PLENTY of places to go, once they shake off their delusion, pack up, and leave, forever...

It doesn't matter one little damn, whether Settlement A or B or C is legal or illegal...

Not one little bit...

From a functional, practical, Real-World perspective, you can wipe your backside with commentaries denoting legality of settlements...

Cutting straight to the chase, and bypassing all this happy horseshit, as events and history themselves are already doing...

This is how it all ends...

Regardless of whether that takes 100 years, or 1000...

Believe it...

Muslim-Arab squatters (so-called 'Palestinians') in Gaza and the West Bank are deluding themselves that it is going to end any other way...

Hell... with the flattening and blockade of Gaza, The Wall, and continuing Israeli encroachments, it's already damned-near a fait accompli...

And all the pissing and moaning and debate in the world isn't going to change that one little bit...

The Jews have won, the so-called Palestinians have lost...

The Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Turks and Saudis all understand this and have made peace with the idea...

Despite the occasional pro forma public remark or leftover policy fantasy to the contrary...

Yes... the Pali's Muslim-Arab neighbors have pretty much made peace with the idea...

Especially now that most of them are busy with their own civil wars, cultural collapse and societal fragmentation, thanks to the Arab Spring...

There is no Arab Cavalry coming over the hill to the rescue of the Palestinians, this time... not that it ever did any lasting good, anyway...

As for the beetle-browed Neanderthal fools of Gaza and the West Bank...

Might as well avoid the Christmas (Ramadan) Rush, and make peace with Reality...

Get out, while you still can...

Leave...

Live...

 

[fanger]

Next year in Al-quds

 

[fanger]

The Jewish Autonomous Oblast (Russian: Евре́йская автоно́мная о́бласть, Yevreyskaya avtonomnaya oblast; Yiddish: ייִדישע אווטאָנאָמע געגנט‎, yidishe avtonome gegnt[14]) is a federal subject of Russia (an autonomous oblast) in the Russian Far East, bordering Khabarovsk Krai and Amur Oblast in Russia and Heilongjiang province inChina. It is also referred to as "Yevrey"[15][unreliable source] (Yiddish: יעװרײ‎) and "Birobidzhan"[16] (Yiddish: ביראָבידזשאַן‎). Its administrative center is the town of Birobidzhan. As of the 2010 Census, JAO's population was 176,558,[9] making 0.1% of the Russia's total population. The JAO is Russia's only autonomous oblast[17] and, aside from Israel, the world's only Jewish territory with an official status.
Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kondor3]

Next year in Al-quds

Hilarious, pathetic stuff, that...

The so-called Palestinians aren't even a distinct people or religion...

Merely hybrid mutts-mongrels from various regional genetic inputs...

Laughable, idiotic losers who have sat around refugee camps and towns for nearly 70 years, with no end or good prospect in sight...

You lack a distinct identity...

You lack durable cohesion capable of holding together for millennia...

Come back and talk to us, when you've held yourselves together for 1878 years ( 1948 CE - 70 CD ) of Diaspora...

An admirable goal...

One that will never materialize, in your case, as you lightweight hybrids scatter back into the Four Winds from which you came, and lose all cohesion, within a generation or two...

"Next year..." ??? !!! ???

You lack the brains...

You lack the muscle...

You lack the balls...

But thanks for the belly-laugh...

--------------------

Next contestant, please...

 

[fanger]

The Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Turks and Saudis all understand this and have made peace with the idea...