Seven Samurai vs. Magnificent Seven, why the Mag Seven fails in it's concept...

[Unkotare]

Wow, inaccurate and trying way too hard.

Please explain.....

Your trying to make the films a referendum on 2nd Amendment rights doesn't fit. Trying way too hard.


The Mexican villagers couldn't afford guns and ammunition , and couldn't shoot straight if they had them (as the film makes clear). They had to try and make use of other skills.

Yes....they were unarmed...my point.........and the Japanese farmers were also unarmed......by law.....but the old west...everyone had a weapon of some sort and could shoot......so how are they going to make the town vulnerable to the outlaws?

Did you ever watch the Seven Samurai?

It wasn't that the farmers were unarmed- it was that they didn't know how to fight- and didn't want to fight for themselves.

The farmers had weapons and armor-

However, the six samurai are angered when Kikuchiyo brings them armor and weapons, which the villagers most likely acquired by killing injured or dying samurai.

Thread fail- but always good to remind people of what a great movie the Seven Samurai is

Do you know anything about Feudal Japan.....non Samurai could not train in weapons, especially the Sword and Bow...if they were caught they could be executed on the spot.....the weapons and armor were illegal for them to own.......

.... the old west...everyone had a weapon of some sort and could shoot...........

In the Old West gunfights were actually very rare. Most people could probably shoot as well as me (which is to say not at all). A group of professional killers would be as impossible to overcome for them as it would be for you today.

Sorry......the situation is not the same between Japanese farmers...completely disarmed by their feudal rulers, and American farmers and ranchers in the American west.....all of whom would have had some form of firearm, at least a rifle of some sort....

Do you know where the weapons of Okinawan martial arts come from?


If you want to use movies as a reference, ever see High Plains Drifter?

Yes......the nobility of Okinawa was disarmed by the Japanese.....so they had to improvise.......

Are you getting it yet?

 

[Syriusly]

Wow, inaccurate and trying way too hard.

Please explain.....

Your trying to make the films a referendum on 2nd Amendment rights doesn't fit. Trying way too hard.


The Mexican villagers couldn't afford guns and ammunition , and couldn't shoot straight if they had them (as the film makes clear). They had to try and make use of other skills.

Yes....they were unarmed...my point.........and the Japanese farmers were also unarmed......by law.....but the old west...everyone had a weapon of some sort and could shoot......so how are they going to make the town vulnerable to the outlaws?

Did you ever watch the Seven Samurai?

It wasn't that the farmers were unarmed- it was that they didn't know how to fight- and didn't want to fight for themselves.

The farmers had weapons and armor-

However, the six samurai are angered when Kikuchiyo brings them armor and weapons, which the villagers most likely acquired by killing injured or dying samurai.

Thread fail- but always good to remind people of what a great movie the Seven Samurai is

Do you know anything about Feudal Japan.....non Samurai could not train in weapons, especially the Sword and Bow...if they were caught they could be executed on the spot.....the weapons and armor were illegal for them to own.......

So this is your way of admitting that your claim that the farmers were 'unarmed' was false?

Very gracious of you.

I expect nothing less.

 

[Syriusly]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

Disagreed in that even armed townsfolk could hire professionals to protect them since, while anyone with a gun could try to defend themselves, having a professional not only allowed the hired guns to take most of the risk, but it was their job to be proficient at the use of firearms.

This concept was also used in another movie "High Plains Drifter" and also IRL such as Wyatt Earp, John Wesley Harding, Tom Horn, Pinkerton agents and dozens of other "hired guns":

The Complete List of Old West Gunfighters - A-B

The Pinkerton Detective Agency - Operating for 150 Years

Not saying they couldn't, but American's in the west were armed.....and the ability to abuse them like they did in Japan and Mexico is not the same.....

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

 

[2aguy]

Please explain.....

Your trying to make the films a referendum on 2nd Amendment rights doesn't fit. Trying way too hard.


The Mexican villagers couldn't afford guns and ammunition , and couldn't shoot straight if they had them (as the film makes clear). They had to try and make use of other skills.

Yes....they were unarmed...my point.........and the Japanese farmers were also unarmed......by law.....but the old west...everyone had a weapon of some sort and could shoot......so how are they going to make the town vulnerable to the outlaws?

Did you ever watch the Seven Samurai?

It wasn't that the farmers were unarmed- it was that they didn't know how to fight- and didn't want to fight for themselves.

The farmers had weapons and armor-

However, the six samurai are angered when Kikuchiyo brings them armor and weapons, which the villagers most likely acquired by killing injured or dying samurai.

Thread fail- but always good to remind people of what a great movie the Seven Samurai is

Do you know anything about Feudal Japan.....non Samurai could not train in weapons, especially the Sword and Bow...if they were caught they could be executed on the spot.....the weapons and armor were illegal for them to own.......

So this is your way of admitting that your claim that the farmers were 'unarmed' was false?

Very gracious of you.

I expect nothing less.

The farmers in Japan were unarmed.......and untrained......

 

[2aguy]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

Disagreed in that even armed townsfolk could hire professionals to protect them since, while anyone with a gun could try to defend themselves, having a professional not only allowed the hired guns to take most of the risk, but it was their job to be proficient at the use of firearms.

This concept was also used in another movie "High Plains Drifter" and also IRL such as Wyatt Earp, John Wesley Harding, Tom Horn, Pinkerton agents and dozens of other "hired guns":

The Complete List of Old West Gunfighters - A-B

The Pinkerton Detective Agency - Operating for 150 Years

Not saying they couldn't, but American's in the west were armed.....and the ability to abuse them like they did in Japan and Mexico is not the same.....

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

 

[Syriusly]

Your trying to make the films a referendum on 2nd Amendment rights doesn't fit. Trying way too hard.


The Mexican villagers couldn't afford guns and ammunition , and couldn't shoot straight if they had them (as the film makes clear). They had to try and make use of other skills.

Yes....they were unarmed...my point.........and the Japanese farmers were also unarmed......by law.....but the old west...everyone had a weapon of some sort and could shoot......so how are they going to make the town vulnerable to the outlaws?

Did you ever watch the Seven Samurai?

It wasn't that the farmers were unarmed- it was that they didn't know how to fight- and didn't want to fight for themselves.

The farmers had weapons and armor-

However, the six samurai are angered when Kikuchiyo brings them armor and weapons, which the villagers most likely acquired by killing injured or dying samurai.

Thread fail- but always good to remind people of what a great movie the Seven Samurai is

Do you know anything about Feudal Japan.....non Samurai could not train in weapons, especially the Sword and Bow...if they were caught they could be executed on the spot.....the weapons and armor were illegal for them to own.......

So this is your way of admitting that your claim that the farmers were 'unarmed' was false?

Very gracious of you.

I expect nothing less.

The farmers in Japan were unarmed.......and untrained......

Sigh.

You just can't help yourself can you?

You claimed that the farmers in Seven Samurai were unarmed.
I pointed out that if you had watched the movie, you would know that they were not unarmed.
So you just continue down your rabbit hole.

Well continue on your rabbit hole.

Seven Samurai is a fantastic movie- not even you can screw that up.

 

[Syriusly]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

Disagreed in that even armed townsfolk could hire professionals to protect them since, while anyone with a gun could try to defend themselves, having a professional not only allowed the hired guns to take most of the risk, but it was their job to be proficient at the use of firearms.

This concept was also used in another movie "High Plains Drifter" and also IRL such as Wyatt Earp, John Wesley Harding, Tom Horn, Pinkerton agents and dozens of other "hired guns":

The Complete List of Old West Gunfighters - A-B

The Pinkerton Detective Agency - Operating for 150 Years

Not saying they couldn't, but American's in the west were armed.....and the ability to abuse them like they did in Japan and Mexico is not the same.....

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

Clearly Western sheriff's thought otherwise.

But hey- you are more of an expert on safety in frontier towns than they were.

 

[2aguy]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

Disagreed in that even armed townsfolk could hire professionals to protect them since, while anyone with a gun could try to defend themselves, having a professional not only allowed the hired guns to take most of the risk, but it was their job to be proficient at the use of firearms.

This concept was also used in another movie "High Plains Drifter" and also IRL such as Wyatt Earp, John Wesley Harding, Tom Horn, Pinkerton agents and dozens of other "hired guns":

The Complete List of Old West Gunfighters - A-B

The Pinkerton Detective Agency - Operating for 150 Years

Not saying they couldn't, but American's in the west were armed.....and the ability to abuse them like they did in Japan and Mexico is not the same.....

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

Clearly Western sheriff's thought otherwise.

But hey- you are more of an expert on safety in frontier towns than they were.

I showed you actual accounts of gun control in the western town all you guys point at...Tombstone......and how not only did the friend of the Earps ignore it, Doc Holiday, but the various criminals did too.....and they murdered one Earp and Mained another....but keep believing gun control works...just don't drive through the west or south sides of Chicago....

 

[Syriusly]

Disagreed in that even armed townsfolk could hire professionals to protect them since, while anyone with a gun could try to defend themselves, having a professional not only allowed the hired guns to take most of the risk, but it was their job to be proficient at the use of firearms.

This concept was also used in another movie "High Plains Drifter" and also IRL such as Wyatt Earp, John Wesley Harding, Tom Horn, Pinkerton agents and dozens of other "hired guns":

The Complete List of Old West Gunfighters - A-B

The Pinkerton Detective Agency - Operating for 150 Years

Not saying they couldn't, but American's in the west were armed.....and the ability to abuse them like they did in Japan and Mexico is not the same.....

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

Clearly Western sheriff's thought otherwise.

But hey- you are more of an expert on safety in frontier towns than they were.

I showed you actual accounts of gun control in the western town all you guys point at...Tombstone......and how not only did the friend of the Earps ignore it, Doc Holiday, but the various criminals did too.....and they murdered one Earp and Mained another....but keep believing gun control works...just don't drive through the west or south sides of Chicago....

LOL- yeah- because if any guns are ever used in a crime- anywhere- that means gun control doesn't work.

But hey- like I said- you are far more of an expert that Western law enforcement officers were.

 

[2aguy]

Not saying they couldn't, but American's in the west were armed.....and the ability to abuse them like they did in Japan and Mexico is not the same.....

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

Clearly Western sheriff's thought otherwise.

But hey- you are more of an expert on safety in frontier towns than they were.

I showed you actual accounts of gun control in the western town all you guys point at...Tombstone......and how not only did the friend of the Earps ignore it, Doc Holiday, but the various criminals did too.....and they murdered one Earp and Mained another....but keep believing gun control works...just don't drive through the west or south sides of Chicago....

LOL- yeah- because if any guns are ever used in a crime- anywhere- that means gun control doesn't work.

But hey- like I said- you are far more of an expert that Western law enforcement officers were.

Yep......the criminals ignored the laws in Tombstone at will.......and you claim it was a success........you are an idiot...

 

[hjmick]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

You're right. But the trailers do make it look entertaining and there is a pretty good cast...

Try not to over think it and just enjoy. It's a popcorn movie!

 

[2aguy]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

You're right. But the trailers do make it look entertaining and there is a pretty good cast...

Try not to over think it and just enjoy. It's a popcorn movie!

I am going to see it......just thought I would start a conversation........

 

[hjmick]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

You're right. But the trailers do make it look entertaining and there is a pretty good cast...

Try not to over think it and just enjoy. It's a popcorn movie!

I am going to see it......just thought I would start a conversation........

When I first saw they were doing a remake my reaction was "WHY? Leave it alone!"

Then I remembered that Hollywood is, these days, absolutely devoid of any kind of originality save for what they're mining from the graphic novels, and that only goes so far. Then I saw the cast, the director, and a couple of trailers and thought, "Meh, might be okay..."

But I do get your point. To that end, the very same could be said of the Clint Eastwood classic High Plains Drifter.

 

[Divine Wind]

Both the new "Magnificent Seven" and another shoot'em up; "Free Fire", played at the Toronto Film festival at the beginning of the month.

"Free Fire" has better ratings on IMDB but I intend to see both when they come out on DVD.

Toronto 2016: Off to a violent start with 'Magnificent Seven,' 'Free Fire'

The Magnificent Seven (2016) - IMDb

Free Fire (2016) - IMDb

 

[Syriusly]

The Magnificent Seven is now coming out as a remake this friday...so I thought I would point out a thing or two...or really just one thing....

The Seven Samurai worked as a concept because Japan practiced gun control.....or back then Sword/Bow control....peasants were legally barred from owning or practicing weapons and martial arts....the Samurai could murder a peasant caught practising swordsmanship.......it was their right and duty....

So...the Seven Samurai is a about a village of unarmed peasants who are being victimized by a bunch of criminals.....since the adage, when you outlaw guns (swords/bows) only outlaws with have guns (swords/bows)...so they hire 7 armed Samurai to protect their village.......

The original Magnificent Seven, a copy of the Seven Samurai, but with cowboys......came close...they were hired by a Mexican village...also an unarmed people being attacked by armed outlaws...so they had to hire American cowboys who had guns to protect them......

Now we come to the newest version......and it doesn't work...why? Because in the old west....all Americans could own and carry guns for self defense.....so having to hire armed guards isn't as necessary.....since all the people in the village could own and carry guns to use against a gang of bad guys.....

Only unarmed people are victims of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....and movie outlaws....

Now...I haven't seen the movie...perhaps the village is filled with Quakers......or some other reason...we'll see......

You're right. But the trailers do make it look entertaining and there is a pretty good cast...

Try not to over think it and just enjoy. It's a popcorn movie!

I am going to see it......just thought I would start a conversation........

When I first saw they were doing a remake my reaction was "WHY? Leave it alone!"

Then I remembered that Hollywood is, these days, absolutely devoid of any kind of originality save for what they're mining from the graphic novels, and that only goes so far. Then I saw the cast, the director, and a couple of trailers and thought, "Meh, might be okay..."

But I do get your point. To that end, the very same could be said of the Clint Eastwood classic High Plains Drifter.

It is one of those things- the Magnificent 7 (the original) if you compare to the Seven Samurai is not nearly so good.

But still- damn I like the Magnificent 7.

I am hoping the new version is fun.

 

[Syriusly]

Some Americans in the West were armed. And some were not. Certainly those who could afford a gun could buy one. Of course many frontier towns had strict gun control laws about carrying a gun in public.

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

Clearly Western sheriff's thought otherwise.

But hey- you are more of an expert on safety in frontier towns than they were.

I showed you actual accounts of gun control in the western town all you guys point at...Tombstone......and how not only did the friend of the Earps ignore it, Doc Holiday, but the various criminals did too.....and they murdered one Earp and Mained another....but keep believing gun control works...just don't drive through the west or south sides of Chicago....

LOL- yeah- because if any guns are ever used in a crime- anywhere- that means gun control doesn't work.

But hey- like I said- you are far more of an expert that Western law enforcement officers were.

Yep......the criminals ignored the laws in Tombstone at will.......and you claim it was a success........you are an idiot...

Easy to tell who the criminals were when they were the ones carrying guns.

The gun laws were essentially to prevent gun fights by drunken cowboys- and it worked admirably for that. Of course then as now- probably more people died from gun accidents than from shootings.

 

[Disir]

Actually, in the old west there were plenty towns you had to turn your guns in when you got there.

Dodge City and Tombstone were two.

Sorry.....I have pointed out in other posts about Tombstone and how the criminals ignored the law there....remember, one Earp was murdered and the other had his arm shot and made useless by criminals using guns in the town where they had to turn them in.......and remember a little event called the Shoot Out at the O.K. Corral.......they again didn't turn in their guns....

Gun control only works for law abiding citizens...and both towns show this as well....

It didn't take place at the O.K. Corral and Ike Clanton and Tom McLaury turned their guns in. One 30 second gun fight out of what?

Correct...it did not take place at the corral.....but you are also wrong about gun control in Tombstone...it didn't work any better than it does in Chicago today........the criminals ignored the law when they wanted to.....and again....one Earp was murdered in town, the other was maimed in town...by criminals with guns...

Here you go...read up on the actual Tombstone situation and how the criminals actually ignored the gun control laws....killing land wounding the Earps....

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of many people who ignored Tombstone gun control....and he was a good guy....

Joyce ordered Holliday removed from the saloon but would not return Holliday's revolver. But Holliday returned carrying a double-action revolver. Milt brandished a pistol and threatened Holliday, but Holliday shot Joyce in the palm, disarming him, and then shot Joyce's business partner William Parker in the big toe

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Boyle later testified he noticed Ike was armed and covered his gun for him. Boyle later said that Ike told him, "'As soon as the Earps and Doc Holliday showed themselves on the street, the ball would open—that they would have to fight'...

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Later in the morning, Ike picked up his rifle and revolver from the West End Corral, where he had deposited his weapons and stabled his wagon and team after entering town. By noon that day, Ike was still drinking and once-again armed in violation of the city ordinance against carrying firearms in the city.

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Tom McLaury's concealed weapon[edit]

Outside the court house where Ike was being fined, Wyatt almost walked into 28 year-old Tom McLaury as the two men were brought up short nose-to-nose. Tom, who had arrived in town the day before, was required by the well-known city ordinance to deposit his pistol when he first arrived in town. When Wyatt demanded, "Are you heeled or not?", McLaury said he was not armed. Wyatt testified that he saw arevolver in plain sight on the right hip of Tom's pants

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Billy and Frank stopped first at the Grand Hotel on Allen Street, and were greeted by Doc Holliday. They learned immediately after of their brothers' beatings by the Earps within the previous two hours. The incidents had generated a lot of talk in town. Angrily, Frank said he would not drink, and he and Billy left the saloon immediately to seek Tom.

By law, both Frank and Billy should have left their firearms at the Grand Hotel. Instead, they remained fully armed.[2]:49[57]:190

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Virgil testified afterward that he thought he saw all four men, Ike Clanton, Billy Clanton, Frank McLaury, and Tom McLaury, buying cartridges.[79] Wyatt said that he saw Billy Clanton and Frank McLaury in Spangenberger's gun and hardware store on 4th Street filling theirgun belts with cartridges


Hmmmmmmmm...doesn't seem like the Tombstone gun control laws worked so far...

Virgil initially avoided a confrontation with the newly arrived Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton, who had not yet deposited their weapons at a hotel or stable as the law required.

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At about 2:30 pm he saw Ike, Frank, Tom, and Billy gathered off Fremont street. Behan attempted to persuade Frank McLaury to give up his weapons, but Frank insisted that he would only give up his guns after City Marshal Virgil Earp and his brothers were disarmed.[81]

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Citizens reported to Virgil on the Cowboys' movements that Ike and Tom had left their livery stable and returned to town while armed, in violation of the city ordinance.


Gun control only works for those who will obey the laws...law abiding citizens....so any gun control will completely fail at disarming criminals and mass shooters.

Does it seem like Tombstone gun laws were working?

I didn't forget you.

 

[rightwinger]

Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen.....nuff said

They couldn't even speak English in Seven Samurai

 

[2aguy]

And that did nothing to stop gun crime......since even then, criminals ignored the law.

Clearly Western sheriff's thought otherwise.

But hey- you are more of an expert on safety in frontier towns than they were.

I showed you actual accounts of gun control in the western town all you guys point at...Tombstone......and how not only did the friend of the Earps ignore it, Doc Holiday, but the various criminals did too.....and they murdered one Earp and Mained another....but keep believing gun control works...just don't drive through the west or south sides of Chicago....

LOL- yeah- because if any guns are ever used in a crime- anywhere- that means gun control doesn't work.

But hey- like I said- you are far more of an expert that Western law enforcement officers were.

Yep......the criminals ignored the laws in Tombstone at will.......and you claim it was a success........you are an idiot...

Easy to tell who the criminals were when they were the ones carrying guns.

The gun laws were essentially to prevent gun fights by drunken cowboys- and it worked admirably for that. Of course then as now- probably more people died from gun accidents than from shootings.

Sorry...again......one Earp was murdered in the gun controlled town, the other Earp was crippled in the gun controlled town, and the best friend of the Earps wore his guns regardless of the rules.....

And you are completely wrong again....from the CDC in 2014 586 people died from accidental gun deaths.....35,000 from accidental car deaths......with 357,000,000 guns in private hands....

nothing you say about guns is even remotely correct....

 

[Disir]

The night of October 25, 1881, Virgil Earp, John Behan, Ike Clanton and Doc Holliday played five hours of cards and drank and smoked. John Behan, the Deputy Sheriff that had been chosen to replace Wyatt Earp when he resigned November 9, 1880, was not a fan of the Earps. Least of all because he brought Josephine down to Tombstone and she left him for Wyatt Earp. The Earps and Doc Holliday did not like either Behan or Ike Clanton. No one knows what was said at the table. However, on August 13 Old Man Clanton was killed in the Guadalupe Canyon Massacre and rumors circulated Wyatt and Doc Holliday had been involved. He wasn’t but it is highly possible Doc Holliday played that for all it was worth. This is important because Doc Holliday was accused of being involved in a stage coach robbery and the only living witness at the time was Jim Crane was also killed. There is the theory that the Earps worked at one point with or for the Clantons. At any rate this is a two year ordeal.


Ike Clanton walked out with Virgil Earp and started talking crap about Doc Holliday and how he would fight him anywhere. Virgil, city marshal, tells him he is going to bed and not to wake him with any nonsense. Ike Clanton goes back out and goes all over town saying he is going to kill the Earps and Doc Holliday. At some point he gets a hold of his rifle and a revolver and is in a bar-he was allegedly going to leave town. This is where that reference to his dad comes in to play because this is not normal Ike Clanton behavior and, had there not been so many places he was seen, it would not have been believed. Ike Clanton and Tom McLaury regularly came into town and deposited money in the local bank and did business with the butcher. They immediately checked their guns in and stayed the night in whatever hotel because they had to ride back. They were not arrested at any point during any of their stays.


Morgan goes to tell Virgil Ike has a gun and is threatening to kill him. Virgil, Morgan and Wyatt go to find him but they split up with Wyatt going in one direction. Virgil and Morgan find him first. Virgil buffaloes Ike and his guns are confiscated and they take him to the court recorder and send for the judge. Ike is still talking shit and tells them if he had a six shooter he would kill them right there. Morgan and Wyatt both try to hand him his own gun---which Ike doesn’t take. Ike is informed they have him on record six times threatening to kill them. The judge fines Ike $25. Virgil asks Ike where he wants his guns checked in. Ike tells him wherever he can get it back. That guns are subsequently checked in at Ike’s hotel.

Wyatt walks out and runs into Tom McLaury. He slaps Tom with his left hand and buffaloes him with his right. No one could see if Tom had a weapon. It is possible Wyatt did see it and just wanted him to get out of town. Immediately afterwards Tom checks his gun in at the Capital Saloon. He and Ike take off to meet their brothers at Spangenberg’s gunsmith. Where everyone buys guns……….except Ike. Spangenberg refuses to sell him a gun. The Earps don’t know that at the time and believe everyone is armed.

The Clantons and McLaurys leave the gunsmith and stand in front of Halford’s and everybody does a stare down. They then walk towards the OK Corral, stop and talk to each other. A Mr. Sills overhears them talking and goes to find Virgil. Virgil sees John Behan and asks him to get a drink. On the way there a few of the Citizen’s Safety Committee ask Virgil if he needs help. Virgil politely declines.They go to Halford’s and Virgil asks Behan to go with him to disarm them. Behan says no and if the Earps go down there will be trouble. Virgil tells Behan if they stay in the OK Corral there won’t be trouble. You can have your weapons in the livery stables. A guy by the name of William Murry stops Virgil and says he has 25 men that can come ASAP. Behan all of sudden realizes how quick this is about to spiral out of control and goes down to talk to the McLaury and Clanton folks and tells them they need to disarm. Frank McLaury refuses and will only disarm if the Earps disarm. Doc walks out and sees the Earps and they do the walk. Virgil hands Doc his rifle and takes Doc's cane.

Virgil tells them to throw up his hands. Guns are cocked. Two shots are fired almost at the same time. The horses try to bolt. Then more shots are fired. Frank and Billy have been hit but they are not done. Ike, bless his heart, turns around and runs screaming towards Wyatt Earp. Wyatt tells him to fight or go. Ike runs because he is unarmed. He has no gun.

Virgil is ambushed in December as a retaliatory measure and Morgan is murdered in the spring. That is not Chicago by a long shot. This is unusual crap happening. The violence in that area was not happening in Tombstone. It was to the south because……….mofos were stealing cattle from the Mexican ranchers.