Shootings in Britain

[2aguy]

And this....but........gun control?

Criminals in Britain are losing their fear of the police very quickly........

A man was shot and a shop worker was injured during a violent chase down a busy north London street.

A group with a gun pursued three men along Wood High Road at around 9.45pm on Monday, police said.

One of the three men, aged 27, was shot in the shoulder before he and his two companions rushed into a nearby shop.

Shots were also fired into the shop, leaving member of staff with minor injuries.

The suspects then fled the scene in what is believed to be a silver saloon car.
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Investigating officer, DS Mark Attridge, said: “This incident took place on a main road that was busy with traffic and pedestrians.

"It was extremely lucky that other members of the public were not harmed.

Police appeal after man shot during north London high street chase

Police said it was 'extremely lucky that other members of the public were not harmed'

www.standard.co.uk

Which British gun control law kept this guy with the gun from taking that gun, and the bullets, to a local school, mall, theater or church....or Mosque since I don't know if churches are still allowed in Britain...?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

2aGuy,
We know they're wrong, but it makes no difference.

They most definitely are coming after our guns and I predict (based on past weakness on the Right) they will succeed far beyond expectations.
No one is willing to fight for their freedoms.
Recipe for tyrant victories

It doesn't matter how many Americans die (in fact for them, the more the merrier)

 

[OnePercenter]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

 

[2aguy]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

No, because the left could vote to make speaking about a gun, a "gun crime"
This would have to be carefully written

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

The severe problem with your proposals.......is liberal judges and lawmakers
They could selectively apply these laws to Conservatives only in the court rooms.

In hard left liberal court rooms, this is already happening.
Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

 

[2aguy]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

The severe problem with your proposals.......is liberal judges and lawmakers
They could selectively apply these laws to Conservatives only in the court rooms.

In hard left liberal court rooms, this is already happening.
Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Yep...we can't trust left wing judges or prosecutors.....but the focus needs to be on actual criminals who use guns...that stops gun crime......when the anti-gun extremists focus on normal gun owners, there is no stopping criminal gun use.

 

[OnePercenter]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

No, No. Use a gun to commit a crime. Easy to prosecute. Swift justice.

 

[OnePercenter]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

No, because the left could vote to make speaking about a gun, a "gun crime"
This would have to be carefully written

USE a gun in the commission of any crime, death penalty.

 

[OnePercenter]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

The severe problem with your proposals.......is liberal judges and lawmakers
They could selectively apply these laws to Conservatives only in the court rooms.

In hard left liberal court rooms, this is already happening.
Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Why don't you post one of those for a full dissection.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

USE a gun in the commission of any crime, death penalty.

Too broad.
This could lead to innocent people being put to death by zealous liberal judges and juries.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

The severe problem with your proposals.......is liberal judges and lawmakers
They could selectively apply these laws to Conservatives only in the court rooms.

In hard left liberal court rooms, this is already happening.
Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Why don't you post one of those for a full dissection.

Easy peasy.....thousands of cases......ever heard of Google?

This New York Man Got Arrested After Defending His Own Home

Now then, you were saying?

 

[2aguy]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....

We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....

Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.

I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

The severe problem with your proposals.......is liberal judges and lawmakers
They could selectively apply these laws to Conservatives only in the court rooms.

In hard left liberal court rooms, this is already happening.
Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.

Why don't you post one of those for a full dissection.

Take a Concealed carry class with a good instructor and you can get all the stories you want...

 

[Vagabond63]

You need to explain that.....

Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...

When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....

See my response above, how do you know?

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.

 

[Vagabond63]

Already did. Guess you missed it.

Really? care to provide a link to that post of yours?

 

[2aguy]

You need to explain that.....

Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...

When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....

See my response above, how do you know?

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

One more time, you aren't paying attention...you are dense, or pretending not to understand.....

The point you are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that as more Americans own and actually carry guns.......it did not increase the gun crime rate or the gun murder rate.

That means that normal people owning guns is not the cause of gun crime, or gun murder........so gun control laws directed at them, will not do anything to lower the crime rate or the gun crime rate....

Normal people owning guns is not a crime problem.......and you can keep pretending you don't understand that, but that just shows you either don't know what you are talking about, or you are a lying twit.

 

[2aguy]

You need to explain that.....

Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...

When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....

See my response above, how do you know?

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.

Wrong....over the next ten years your gun crime went up... then leveled off to the same rate it was at before....and as the British police state, gun smuggling is increasing......so your gun control laws have no bearing on criminals and their decisions to use guns in crime........and as my latest article shows, they are converting illegal guns to fully automatic weapons now.........

 

[2aguy]

You need to explain that.....

Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...

When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....

See my response above, how do you know?

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.


Nice dodge, you should play dodge ball...

I pointed out that 18.6 million Americans have permits to own and carry guns.......there are more than that many because of Constitutional Carry.......you thought it was the total number of gun owners and you were wrong. That number is just the number of people who can carry guns in public....and our gun crime rate went down 75%....showing that your theory on guns is wrong....our gun murder rate went down 49%...showing your theory on guns is wrong....

And we have over 600 million guns in private hands.......and our gun crime rate still went down 75%, and our gun murder rate went down 49% and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

We know how many guns are sold through sales records........and since we have anti-gun extremists like you in this country, Americans are not likely to tell strangers on phone surveys if they own a gun or not......

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns or gun issues.....you think your island is safe from guns in the hands of criminals, but you don't understand that criminals drive the crime rate and your criminals are growing bolder, more violent and care less and less about your culture, your values and your laws.........they are converting already illegal guns into fully automatic weapons.......and your police can't stop them.

 

[2aguy]

You need to explain that.....

Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...

When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....

See my response above, how do you know?

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.

You didn't read the article.....I gave you the statistic they found, and then lied about..............they showed that Britain is more violent than the U.S......but then dodged to say that the social media statement wasn't accurate because
the number stated was off....Britain is only just over twice as violent as the U.S........

You twit.

 

[2aguy]

You need to explain that.....

Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...

When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....

See my response above, how do you know?

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.

See my response above, how do you know?

Gun sales are tracked at the gun store......by law. They also track production of guns and sales to gun stores.....so yes....over 600 million guns in private hands...

Gun crime went down 75%

gun murder down 49%

violent crime down 72%.....