jasonnfree
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Yes it was Lee Atwater and that interview is very telling. I've seen it before.
There s no debate as to what he did to turn the south republican really.
There is no debate about it, because it is a matter of blind faith with lefties and you ignore all evidence to the contrary.
Not exactly Corell. Since this is not 1976, can you please explain what happened to the south since Jimmy Carter? Al Gore could not win his home state of Tennessee in 2000 for Christ sakes.
From that right wing rag, The New York Times.
The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’
"Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”
It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however — and here’s the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.)
The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t."
Every time the issue of race is shown to be something that created anything we get those who want to talk about it was not race but economics. That's crap. The southern dixiecrats left the democratic party coincidently after integration was made law. Now that's a fact. To argue this is silly considering that we live in 2017 and the south is majority republican today. And if you don' t think race played factor in this, think again. It's just that simple. I have tried staying out of this discussion, but I was a kid in the 60's. My parents were highly politically involved. I watched how things went down. l have seen how whites have reacted ever since the civil rights act was passed and the fact is the parties changed because of race and the southern democrats changed because of racism.
Now I'm sure the racist south lost money because they had to hire blacks and pay us equally to whites, so if that's economics then that's the reason .But when you talk about it like race was not the overriding factor but economics was, I don't give a damn what kind professor you call yourself, you are full of shit.
"Earlier this week, the Republican National Committee hired three new staffers to assist with African American outreach. They will have their work cut out for them. Donald Trump’s average level of black support from four recent national polls is 2 percent, and a July NBC/Wall Street Journalbattleground poll showed Trump getting exactly 0 percent support among African American voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania. And the candidate is not helping his own cause. He has demonstrated a steady penchant for resurrecting racially divisive campaign tactics of the past, tactics that simultaneously ignored black voters and used race as a wedge to attract disgruntled white voters in the South.
acknowledged the party’s “Southern Strategy” and directly apologized: “I am here as Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.” In 2010, Michael Steele—the first black head of the RNC—admitted in a talk with students at DePaul University that Republicans had given minorities little reason to vote for them: “For the last 40-plus years we had a Southern Strategy that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South.”
From that right wing rag, The New York Times.
The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’
"Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”
It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however — and here’s the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.)
The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t."
Every time the issue of race is shown to be something that created anything we get those who want to talk about it was not race but economics. That's crap. The southern dixiecrats left the democratic party coincidently after integration was made law. Now that's a fact. To argue this is silly considering that we live in 2017 and the south is majority republican today. And if you don' t think race played factor in this, think again. It's just that simple. I have tried staying out of this discussion, but I was a kid in the 60's. My parents were highly politically involved. I watched how things went down. l have seen how whites have reacted ever since the civil rights act was passed and the fact is the parties changed because of race and the southern democrats changed because of racism.
Now I'm sure the racist south lost money because they had to hire blacks and pay us equally to whites, so if that's economics then that's the reason .But when you talk about it like race was not the overriding factor but economics was, I don't give a damn what kind professor you call yourself, you are full of shit.
Did you read this part?
"The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t."
If the flip was from racism, you would expect the new republican voters to be poorer and less educated.
Instead it is the other way around.
What political affiliation did your parents have?
I lived it cornel. I saw what happened. You don't have to be poor and uneducated to be racist.. The change had everything to do with race. I'm not going to argue with you about this. That's what happened. I don't care if you don't agree with it. And my parents or my political affiliation doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
You were young and you saw the south flip as the dems moved away from supporting Jim Crow.
Correlation does not prove causation.
Nixon was a strong supporter of Civil Rights.
THe idea that he pandered to racist is lies made up by people who hated him.
Nixon did NOT rum his campaign on a civil rights platform.
His platform message was "restoration of law and order."
You are attempting to make it appear otherwise.
The fact is that "wedge" issues such as the introduction of affirmative action and school desegregation drove the flight to the Republican party.
Nixon took office on the heels of some of the worst race riots in history. He had NO CHOICE except to do something to change the climate or more anarchy in the streets would have negatively impacted the perception of his administration.
But he was absolutely NOT a known primarily for being a supporter and advocate for civil rights.
He did what he had to for political reasons.
I lived it because I PERSONALLY was bused to a predominately white secondary school in California in the 60's with approximately 60 or so other black students, and I saw and ecperienced the hostility first hand of objectionable "upper middle class" white people ranging from apathetic school administrators who were aghast at the presence of newly arrived black students, to parents who were furious over us even being there.
And the worst of it was that we all HATED being there as well.
And that was in so called "liberal" California. Resistance and hostility was much more obvious in Southern states.
Like it or not, there WAS a southern strategy. Then and now. Furthermore, you actually believe that a more affluent, more educated southern voter is the backbone of todays Republican party?
Then explain why the majority of rural, lower income white SOUTHERN voters who in the past were Democrats have over time redirected their loyaly to the Republican party...(except for an anomaly in 1976 when Carter was elected?)
And yet it was a republican president, Ike, who sent the troops into Little Rock to enforce integration of schools in 1954.