CDZ Should college education be available for free to anyone who qualifies academically?

[oldsoul]

I will reiterate my point in few words.

I have not cast my vote in the poll because the reality is that THERE ALREADY IS A COLLEGE EDUCATION AVAILABLE FOR FREE TO ALL WHO QUALIFY, therefore there should not be one, as that would be a misguiding answer, but casting my vote as "no" in the poll would also be misguiding. Why? Because the point would not be to state my opinion or personal invested interest but in fact to educate, as any question concerning education should do (therefore rendering education free by its very nature).

Just think about the great geniuses in history. How do you think they get educated? For free! They go outdoors and observe the natural world and learn everything they want and need. C'mon, folks, just like any healthy child!

How come know one knows about this free college education? How does one get it?

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

 

[oldsoul]

No the cost has nothing to do with deciding to pursue the goal of buying a home.

So if the cost of a loaf of bread was 1 million dollars it would have no bearing on your lunch decision? You may still decide that your goal is to have a sandwich for lunch?

Not if I desired to have a loaf of bread.

Man, I wish I could afford a million dollar lunch.

 

[Asclepias]

I will reiterate my point in few words.

I have not cast my vote in the poll because the reality is that THERE ALREADY IS A COLLEGE EDUCATION AVAILABLE FOR FREE TO ALL WHO QUALIFY, therefore there should not be one, as that would be a misguiding answer, but casting my vote as "no" in the poll would also be misguiding. Why? Because the point would not be to state my opinion or personal invested interest but in fact to educate, as any question concerning education should do (therefore rendering education free by its very nature).

Just think about the great geniuses in history. How do you think they get educated? For free! They go outdoors and observe the natural world and learn everything they want and need. C'mon, folks, just like any healthy child!

How come know one knows about this free college education? How does one get it?

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

Not everyone is guaranteed a scholarship or knows how to get one. There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists.

 

[Asclepias]

No the cost has nothing to do with deciding to pursue the goal of buying a home.

So if the cost of a loaf of bread was 1 million dollars it would have no bearing on your lunch decision? You may still decide that your goal is to have a sandwich for lunch?

Not if I desired to have a loaf of bread.

Man, I wish I could afford a million dollar lunch.

Thats the difference between dreams and goals. Dreams/wishes require no action. Goals require action and the benefit is that you frequently gain more along the way to your goal than the actual goal itself.

 

[oldsoul]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

 

[oldsoul]

Goals require action

Exactly, Goals require action, except if the goal is having a college education...

 

[Asclepias]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

 

[Asclepias]

Goals require action

Exactly, Goals require action, except if the goal is having a college education...

Yes. Actually attending college is an action. I dont think the OP is proposing we just send them a college degree.

 

[oldsoul]

I will reiterate my point in few words.

I have not cast my vote in the poll because the reality is that THERE ALREADY IS A COLLEGE EDUCATION AVAILABLE FOR FREE TO ALL WHO QUALIFY, therefore there should not be one, as that would be a misguiding answer, but casting my vote as "no" in the poll would also be misguiding. Why? Because the point would not be to state my opinion or personal invested interest but in fact to educate, as any question concerning education should do (therefore rendering education free by its very nature).

Just think about the great geniuses in history. How do you think they get educated? For free! They go outdoors and observe the natural world and learn everything they want and need. C'mon, folks, just like any healthy child!

How come know one knows about this free college education? How does one get it?

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

Not everyone is guaranteed a scholarship or knows how to get one. There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists.

But, as you admit, it exists. That is the point, it exists.

 

[Asclepias]

I will reiterate my point in few words.

I have not cast my vote in the poll because the reality is that THERE ALREADY IS A COLLEGE EDUCATION AVAILABLE FOR FREE TO ALL WHO QUALIFY, therefore there should not be one, as that would be a misguiding answer, but casting my vote as "no" in the poll would also be misguiding. Why? Because the point would not be to state my opinion or personal invested interest but in fact to educate, as any question concerning education should do (therefore rendering education free by its very nature).

Just think about the great geniuses in history. How do you think they get educated? For free! They go outdoors and observe the natural world and learn everything they want and need. C'mon, folks, just like any healthy child!

How come know one knows about this free college education? How does one get it?

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

Not everyone is guaranteed a scholarship or knows how to get one. There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists.

But, as you admit, it exists. That is the point, it exists.

It doesnt exist for everyone that qualifies.

 

[oldsoul]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

 

[Asclepias]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

That could be a goal in the future. Its odd to me that someone would begrudge a person a "decent" home. Its merely a material possession. I know some people use it as a status symbol but it doesnt really raise your worth as a human. i dont think anyone was asking your acceptance.

 

[oldsoul]

I will reiterate my point in few words.

I have not cast my vote in the poll because the reality is that THERE ALREADY IS A COLLEGE EDUCATION AVAILABLE FOR FREE TO ALL WHO QUALIFY, therefore there should not be one, as that would be a misguiding answer, but casting my vote as "no" in the poll would also be misguiding. Why? Because the point would not be to state my opinion or personal invested interest but in fact to educate, as any question concerning education should do (therefore rendering education free by its very nature).

Just think about the great geniuses in history. How do you think they get educated? For free! They go outdoors and observe the natural world and learn everything they want and need. C'mon, folks, just like any healthy child!

How come know one knows about this free college education? How does one get it?

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

Not everyone is guaranteed a scholarship or knows how to get one. There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists.

But, as you admit, it exists. That is the point, it exists.

It doesnt exist for everyone that qualifies.

You said, "There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists." and now you are saying that it doesn't exist for everyone who qualifies. Which is it? Your logic seems to be chasing it's own tail.

 

[oldsoul]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

That could be a goal in the future. Its odd to me that someone would begrudge a person a "decent" home. Its merely a material possession. I know some people use it as a status symbol but it doesnt really raise your worth as a human. i dont think anyone was asking your acceptance.

Are you a socialist?

 

[Asclepias]

How come know one knows about this free college education? How does one get it?

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

Not everyone is guaranteed a scholarship or knows how to get one. There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists.

But, as you admit, it exists. That is the point, it exists.

It doesnt exist for everyone that qualifies.

You said, "There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists." and now you are saying that it doesn't exist for everyone who qualifies. Which is it? Your logic seems to be chasing it's own tail.

Its both. I dont think you have a grasp on logic if you think its impossible for both conditions to be true.

 

[oldsoul]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

That could be a goal in the future. Its odd to me that someone would begrudge a person a "decent" home. Its merely a material possession. I know some people use it as a status symbol but it doesnt really raise your worth as a human. i dont think anyone was asking your acceptance.

I "begrudge" noone, I merely expect people to have to WORK for what they have. I refuse to accept the notion that everyone should have a "decent" home, whether or not they do anything to EARN it.

 

[Asclepias]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

That could be a goal in the future. Its odd to me that someone would begrudge a person a "decent" home. Its merely a material possession. I know some people use it as a status symbol but it doesnt really raise your worth as a human. i dont think anyone was asking your acceptance.

Are you a socialist?

All of us are socialists.

 

[Asclepias]

Any goal in life is first achieved by making the decision to make it happen. You figure out the how along the way. Sometimes you fail but you get back up and go at it with a different approach.

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

That could be a goal in the future. Its odd to me that someone would begrudge a person a "decent" home. Its merely a material possession. I know some people use it as a status symbol but it doesnt really raise your worth as a human. i dont think anyone was asking your acceptance.

I "begrudge" noone, I merely expect people to have to WORK for what they have. I refuse to accept the notion that everyone should have a "decent" home, whether or not they do anything to EARN it.

Who said they didnt have to earn it?

 

[oldsoul]

Accually, most high schoolers and their parents know about it. It's called "scholarships", and "grants", and "finacial aid". If you bothered to accually get informed you would know too.

Not everyone is guaranteed a scholarship or knows how to get one. There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists.

But, as you admit, it exists. That is the point, it exists.

It doesnt exist for everyone that qualifies.

You said, "There is money that goes unclaimed simply because people dont know it exists." and now you are saying that it doesn't exist for everyone who qualifies. Which is it? Your logic seems to be chasing it's own tail.

Its both. I dont think you have a grasp on logic if you think its impossible for both conditions to be true.

So, you are saying that there is money that goes unclaimed simply because people don't know it exists, and that there is not enough money to go around, hence your arguement that it does not exist for everyone who qualifies. How can there be more than is claimed AND not enough to fullfill those who quality. Part of qualifying is to APPLY for it.

 

[oldsoul]

But this cannot be applied to the decision to attend college, right? We should make it free so people don't have to work so hard for it, right? You are making my point for me, thank you.

Thats my point exactly. People shouldnt have to work so hard for it over and above merely being a good student. It should be like the ability to have clean water and sanitary living conditions in this country.

But, but, but, people shouldn't have to work so hard to have a "decent" home either. I can heard the liberal whining already. Where does it stop? When everyone, except the elite, have exactly the same thing? I refuse to accept that as the answer.

That could be a goal in the future. Its odd to me that someone would begrudge a person a "decent" home. Its merely a material possession. I know some people use it as a status symbol but it doesnt really raise your worth as a human. i dont think anyone was asking your acceptance.

Are you a socialist?

All of us are socialists.

I am not.