Zone1 Should She Have Been Allowed to Terminate Her Pregnancy?

[Coyote]

The deliberate unclearity of some of these laws.

Arkansas has among the cruelest abortion laws. No exceptions except for the life of the mother, in an emergency. But how is that defined?

SB6 Bill Information

This site is maintained by the Arkansas Bureau of Legislative Research, Information Systems Dept., and is the official website of the Arkansas General Assembly.

www.arkleg.state.ar.us

(a) A person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency.

At what point is it a medical emergency?

And these are the penalties if a doctors decision is challenged.

(b) Performing or attempting to perform an abortion is an unclassified felony with a fine not to exceed one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) or imprisonment not to exceed ten (10) years, or both.

 

[Coyote]

They are certainly serious about protecting their rights. So? "Safe, legal, and rare" still works for me and I'd bet most pro-choice folk. I don't think of myself as pro-abortion, only pro-choice.

I totally agree with this. And abortion rates have been steadily declining.

 

[martybegan]

You think that because you are so focused on the abortion issue, everyone else is too. There are certainly vocal advocates on both sides but I doubt doctors want to get in the middle of it. It is politicians that want to put them there.


They want to make their point just as anti-abortion groups use pictures of baby parts to make their points. I doubt your anecdote since it doesn't seem like something a doctor would say, it seems more like something a college student that headed up a pro-choice club, would say. The source is not unbiased so her words might have been taken out of context.

Plenty of doctors have no issue getting in the middle of it, they are people as well, and some States just put them out of business, or partial business.

Pictures don't use a woman who has to abort a non viable fetus as a negotiating pawn.

 

[martybegan]

That would make it moot.


You say the carve outs are clear but some in the legal field disagree. You can dismiss them as biased advocates but what are you?

And again, those "legal eagles" are the ones who want the law gone entirely.

I am someone who wants a 15-16 week ban with exceptions for the LIFE of the mother and fetal non-viability.

 

[martybegan]

No, it really isn’t that clear. You are also flat out lying when you ANYONE wants abortion through birth,so just stop with that and try an honest argument for a change (and don’t trot out that same old stripped of context quote again).

Then why pass laws allowing it up until birth, or with some wording for a few weeks after (peri-natal).

Why allow for abortions up to that time with just 1 doctors OK on the HEALTH of the mother, a vague term that could mean she fears she could be depressed after birth, or have a rash.

That's how the laws are written in Blue States. If they weren't needed, why pass them?

 

[Coyote]

Then why pass laws allowing it up until birth, or with some wording for a few weeks after (peri-natal).

No such law was passed. You guys took a state completely out of context. Care to guess what the law really was?

Why allow for abortions up to that time with just 1 doctors OK on the HEALTH of the mother, a vague term that could mean she fears she could be depressed after birth, or have a rash.

Do you need to doctors ok to prescribe viagra? Repair a hernia? Do arthroscopic surgery?

That's how the laws are written in Blue States. If they weren't needed, why pass them?

 

[Coyote]

No such law was passed. You guys took a state completely out of context. Care to guess what the law really was?




Do you need to doctors ok to prescribe viagra? Repair a hernia? Do arthroscopic surgery?

Oh. And your bit about depression completely minimizes post partum depression. Do a little research on it.

 

[martybegan]

No such law was passed. You guys took a state completely out of context. Care to guess what the law really was?




Do you need to doctors ok to prescribe viagra? Repair a hernia? Do arthroscopic surgery?

Why use the term peri-which concerns both right before birth and right after?

None of those result in the death of another living being, try again.

And is PPD reason enough to abort 1 week before birth, yes or no?

 

[Coyote]

Why use the term peri-which concerns both right before birth and right after?

None of those result in the death of another living being, try again.

And is PPD reason enough to abort 1 week before birth, yes or no?

Which law is this?

 

[martybegan]

Which law is this?

California advances abortion bill that attorneys say could legalize killing babies after birth - LifeSite

 

[Coyote]

California advances abortion bill that attorneys say could legalize killing babies after birth - LifeSite

You’ve been had. There is no such law.

Fact Check-Social media posts falsely claim New York passed a bill allowing for ‘abortions’ 28 days after birth

Contrary to claims online, the state of New York did not pass an abortion bill in September 2022 legalizing “abortion” 28 days after the birth of a child, and Reuters found no evidence any such law exists.

www.reuters.com

 

[martybegan]

You’ve been had. There is no such law.

Fact Check-Social media posts falsely claim New York passed a bill allowing for ‘abortions’ 28 days after birth

Contrary to claims online, the state of New York did not pass an abortion bill in September 2022 legalizing “abortion” 28 days after the birth of a child, and Reuters found no evidence any such law exists.

www.reuters.com

California uses the term peri-natal.

Also NY's law says you can have 3rd trimester abortion for the mental health of the mother, which is pretty fucked up.

 

[Coyote]

California uses the term peri-natal.

There is no such law. If there is link to the law itself.

Also NY's law says you can have 3rd trimester abortion for the mental health of the mother, which is pretty fucked up.

Link to the law?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This was certainly not a baby that was going to be disposed of like trash

But you're okay with the breeder who CHOOSES to dispose of her baby as trash.

 

[martybegan]

There is no such law. If there is link to the law itself.



Link to the law?

article

doesn't define health.

New York passes law allowing abortions at any time if mother's health is at risk

 

[cnm]

Because it is not against the law.

Hardly matters in Floriduh.

 

[Coyote]

article

doesn't define health.

New York passes law allowing abortions at any time if mother's health is at risk

What’s wrong with it?

Reproductive Health Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The RHA legalized all abortions up to 24 weeks of gestation. Beyond 24 weeks gestation, abortion was deemed legal if the woman's health or life are at risk or if the fetus is not viable.[3] Per the norm to not define medical terms in the law, the terms "health", "at risk", and "viable" were not defined in the RHA. It was determined that it is up to the discretion of a woman's medical provider and that woman to determine if her health is at risk, and it is up to medical providers to determine if a fetus is viable based on specific medical criteria.[20]

 

[Papageorgio]

Why would a doctor take that chance? A DA might want to score political points and bring charges.

If that is what you want to believe, that is your opinion and you have not convinced me mine is wrong.

 

[Papageorgio]

Hardly matters in Floriduh.

Ok, if you think so, I appreciate your feedback, I believe your opinion is incorret.

 

[martybegan]

What’s wrong with it?

Reproductive Health Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The RHA legalized all abortions up to 24 weeks of gestation. Beyond 24 weeks gestation, abortion was deemed legal if the woman's health or life are at risk or if the fetus is not viable.[3] Per the norm to not define medical terms in the law, the terms "health", "at risk", and "viable" were not defined in the RHA. It was determined that it is up to the discretion of a woman's medical provider and that woman to determine if her health is at risk, and it is up to medical providers to determine if a fetus is viable based on specific medical criteria.[20]

health is anything. if she thinks she gets a cold after she can abort after 24 weeks.

The law is obscene.