Should the Federal Government Own Nevada ?

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The most important question with respect to the Bundy Ranch Standoff remains unanswered. Why does the federal government own Nevada? It does not own New York or Virginia or Massachusetts. Cliven Bundy says that the state of Nevada owns the contested land. The Bureau of Land Management clearly considers the property the federal government’s, hence the 200 snipers posted on the property and the tasing of the Bundys for resisting when the feds confiscated their cattle. Who is right?

But the problem isn’t Nevada’s alone. The percentage of land owned by government exceeds fifty percent in Alaska (98.5), Idaho (63.8), Oregon (52.6), and Utah (63.6). Indeed, the federal government claims to own a third of all the landmass in the United States (Inventory Report on Real Property Owned by the United States Throughout the World, published by the General Services Administration, page 10). Government owns almost half of California (47.5). Basically the federal government did not give western states all their land when they qualified for statehood. States were so excited to get coveted statehood that they went along with the conditions despite the confiscation of, for most in the West, at least a third of their land.

But this is not the most serious violation of the Constitution. The Founders understood that the size of land holding was proportionally related to the perceived size of the federal government and they intentionally wanted that perception small. The Federal government was permitted to have but 10 square miles for a federal capital. The only other land that they could acquire had to be for military purposes as specified in the common defense clause of the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 which reads: “and to exercise like Authority over all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock Yards, and other needful Buildings.”

Any new acquisition, outside the capital, had (1) to be purchased, (2) have the consent of the State Legislature where the land exists, (3) and be for military purposes.

cont.
Does the Federal Government own Nevada? | The Tribune Papers
 
well it's no surprise that lefties have steered clear of this thread....

(hee hee i said 'steer'...)

of course lefties do not want to even acknowledge the Constitution...

the Bundy issue basically boils down to....is it really Nevada land or is it Federal land....?

according to the Constitution the Feds are not supposed to own it....but what will the EPA and all the other Federal bloodsuckers do then....?

what....give up their power....?! :eek:
 
Should the Federal Government Own Nevada ?

If but that one means "should the feds own land in the states" the USA created, sure.

Let state delegations in Congress negotiate with the national government on to xfr fed lands to state with covenants for protecting the environment, respecting federal military reservations and Indian nations land, and so forth.
 
Nevada became a state in 1864. They've had plenty of time to work all of this out, and they have. That's why the US Federal government has that land.

"If you don't like America then you can get out." - every right-wing Republican who has ever lived.
 
to make yourself look really smert, research why the federal lands are like they are...
 
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I think Nevada should be turned into a giant solar thermal collector. 110 thousand square miles of parabolic troughs powering the entire nation.

Clive Bundy could ride herd on welfare negroes to keep the mirrors polished.
 
The American people own Nevada

I would be willing to sell it to them for a fair price
 
The most important question with respect to the Bundy Ranch Standoff remains unanswered. Why does the federal government own Nevada? It does not own New York or Virginia or Massachusetts. Cliven Bundy says that the state of Nevada owns the contested land. The Bureau of Land Management clearly considers the property the federal government’s, hence the 200 snipers posted on the property and the tasing of the Bundys for resisting when the feds confiscated their cattle. Who is right?

But the problem isn’t Nevada’s alone. The percentage of land owned by government exceeds fifty percent in Alaska (98.5), Idaho (63.8), Oregon (52.6), and Utah (63.6). Indeed, the federal government claims to own a third of all the landmass in the United States (Inventory Report on Real Property Owned by the United States Throughout the World, published by the General Services Administration, page 10). Government owns almost half of California (47.5). Basically the federal government did not give western states all their land when they qualified for statehood. States were so excited to get coveted statehood that they went along with the conditions despite the confiscation of, for most in the West, at least a third of their land.

But this is not the most serious violation of the Constitution. The Founders understood that the size of land holding was proportionally related to the perceived size of the federal government and they intentionally wanted that perception small. The Federal government was permitted to have but 10 square miles for a federal capital. The only other land that they could acquire had to be for military purposes as specified in the common defense clause of the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 which reads: “and to exercise like Authority over all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock Yards, and other needful Buildings.”

Any new acquisition, outside the capital, had (1) to be purchased, (2) have the consent of the State Legislature where the land exists, (3) and be for military purposes.

cont.
Does the Federal Government own Nevada? | The Tribune Papers

You forgot the other needful buildings, which could include administrative offices, post offices, court buildings and federal prisons ect. There are proper land uses for the feds, but they shouldn't own anything not necessary for the operation of the government.
 
Why does the federal government own Nevada? It does not own New York or Virginia or Massachusetts.

Did they test nukes in Massaschusetts?

I am pretty sure the federal government can't test a nuke on private property or in heavily populated areas. There's probably some really stupid rule against it written down somewhere.

And if you are going to fly sooper sekrit sparemental aeroplanes around, New York City isn't exactly the place to do it. It would be hard to keep it a secret if you are buzzing Manhattan. You need a place like Area 51.


Cows don't talk.
 
The most important question with respect to the Bundy Ranch Standoff remains unanswered. Why does the federal government own Nevada? It does not own New York or Virginia or Massachusetts. Cliven Bundy says that the state of Nevada owns the contested land. The Bureau of Land Management clearly considers the property the federal government’s, hence the 200 snipers posted on the property and the tasing of the Bundys for resisting when the feds confiscated their cattle. Who is right?

But the problem isn’t Nevada’s alone. The percentage of land owned by government exceeds fifty percent in Alaska (98.5), Idaho (63.8), Oregon (52.6), and Utah (63.6). Indeed, the federal government claims to own a third of all the landmass in the United States (Inventory Report on Real Property Owned by the United States Throughout the World, published by the General Services Administration, page 10). Government owns almost half of California (47.5). Basically the federal government did not give western states all their land when they qualified for statehood. States were so excited to get coveted statehood that they went along with the conditions despite the confiscation of, for most in the West, at least a third of their land.

But this is not the most serious violation of the Constitution. The Founders understood that the size of land holding was proportionally related to the perceived size of the federal government and they intentionally wanted that perception small. The Federal government was permitted to have but 10 square miles for a federal capital. The only other land that they could acquire had to be for military purposes as specified in the common defense clause of the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 which reads: “and to exercise like Authority over all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock Yards, and other needful Buildings.”

Any new acquisition, outside the capital, had (1) to be purchased, (2) have the consent of the State Legislature where the land exists, (3) and be for military purposes.

cont.
Does the Federal Government own Nevada? | The Tribune Papers

Have you ever been to Nevada? The reason over 80% of the land is federally run (the federal govt doesn't OWN Nevada; Marvin Adelson would never tolerate that) is because nobody wanted it. It's largely uninhabitable due to lack of water. Can't farm it and you can't ranch it. And you damn better fill up your tank before you leave out of Reno and say, try to drive to Tonopah, for instance.

Here, this ought to help, the Homestead Act of 1862. Enjoy. Migrants passed on Nevada for literally, greener pastures.


Homestead Act
Homestead Act: Primary Documents of American History (Virtual Programs & Services, Library of Congress)
Signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln on May 20, 1862, the Homestead Act encouraged Western migration by providing settlers 160 acres of public land. In exchange, homesteaders paid a small filing fee and were required to complete five years of continuous residence before receiving ownership of the land. After six months of residency, homesteaders also had the option of purchasing the land from the government for $1.25 per acre. The Homestead Act led to the distribution of 80 million acres of public land by 1900.
 
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Why does the federal government own Nevada? It does not own New York or Virginia or Massachusetts.

Did they test nukes in Massaschusetts?

I am pretty sure the federal government can't test a nuke on private property or in heavily populated areas. There's probably some really stupid rule against it written down somewhere.

And if you are going to fly sooper sekrit sparemental aeroplanes around, New York City isn't exactly the place to do it. It would be hard to keep it a secret if you are buzzing Manhattan. You need a place like Area 51.


Cows don't talk.

Yes they do, to each other, they're very clannish...
 
50 state legislators from 9 different states are working on getting their states back from the feds. They should be able to figure it out.
 
The most important question with respect to the Bundy Ranch Standoff remains unanswered. Why does the federal government own Nevada? It does not own New York or Virginia or Massachusetts. Cliven Bundy says that the state of Nevada owns the contested land. The Bureau of Land Management clearly considers the property the federal government’s, hence the 200 snipers posted on the property and the tasing of the Bundys for resisting when the feds confiscated their cattle. Who is right?

But the problem isn’t Nevada’s alone. The percentage of land owned by government exceeds fifty percent in Alaska (98.5), Idaho (63.8), Oregon (52.6), and Utah (63.6). Indeed, the federal government claims to own a third of all the landmass in the United States (Inventory Report on Real Property Owned by the United States Throughout the World, published by the General Services Administration, page 10). Government owns almost half of California (47.5). Basically the federal government did not give western states all their land when they qualified for statehood. States were so excited to get coveted statehood that they went along with the conditions despite the confiscation of, for most in the West, at least a third of their land.

But this is not the most serious violation of the Constitution. The Founders understood that the size of land holding was proportionally related to the perceived size of the federal government and they intentionally wanted that perception small. The Federal government was permitted to have but 10 square miles for a federal capital. The only other land that they could acquire had to be for military purposes as specified in the common defense clause of the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 which reads: “and to exercise like Authority over all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock Yards, and other needful Buildings.”

Any new acquisition, outside the capital, had (1) to be purchased, (2) have the consent of the State Legislature where the land exists, (3) and be for military purposes.

cont.
Does the Federal Government own Nevada? | The Tribune Papers

Nevada was won by the US after the Mexican American war.

You want to give it back?

I think you'd be in the minority on that one.
 

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