Should there be mandatory training before you can purchase a firearm?

[Cecilie1200]

Think about it. This is not a gun rights issue. It all about safety. Would you really want your neighbor having a gun and no clue how to use it safely, or even hit what he's aiming at? We require drivers to take a driving test and get a license. Why should guns be any different?

BTW, I am totally pro 2nd amendment. I just want the ones who own those guns to know what they are doing.

Would they be willing to remove some of the current restrictions on the types of guns and accessories in exchange for the training? My guess is no, they would want more restrictions plus the training.

What restrictions? There really aren't any.

"Really aren't any restrictions"? You need to put down the crack pipe and back away.

 

[HappyJoy]

Let's not get overly dramatic, OK? I haven't demanded anything to begin with however if the government made this the law then yeah..you'll fucking do it if you want a gun.

But the criminals won’t.

And you solved nothing

Except looking like a pinhead.........




















Again

It's not really about criminals, but you go ahead with that.

So you want to impose your will on law abiding citizens and not criminals, talk about screwed up priorities.


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You must stare at your drivers license and feel imposed on.

Yeah, I tend to to view all the bureaucratic impositions the American people have allowed that way. And what I find amazing is people like you are begging for more. Pathetic.


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^Literally sees his drivers license as evidence of tyranny.

 

[Cecilie1200]

All our rights have reasonable limits .

Shall not be infringed....the Founders were explicit on that

a well regulated militia.

yep they were.

The amendment does not say that a militia has the right to keep and bear arms, however. It says the people do. Basically it is a compound sentence in which because the first part is true (a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state), the second part is true (the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed). It does not specify that the militia is a requirement for someone to have the right to bear arms.

Creative parsing.

So why are they mentioned in the same sentence then?

Look up "explanatory clause".

 

[OKTexas]

...No Moon Bat you are confused. It is time to adhere to the Bill of Rights. Fuck gun control.

Thank you for your insightful feedback, Princess; however, mandatory training is coming, and sooner than you think.

When it DOES come, you will obey the laws of the United States, just like everybody else; piss-and-moan all you like.

Just teach gun safety in all schools, your perceived problem is solved and it won't cost anyone a dime. I'm sure the NRA would be happy to supply qualified instructors for free.


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A brave offer.

But merely a down payment on what is needed in the eyes of many of your fellow citizens.

Your fellow commies would freak out if it were proposed.


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[Cecilie1200]

Think about it. This is not a gun rights issue. It all about safety. Would you really want your neighbor having a gun and no clue how to use it safely, or even hit what he's aiming at? We require drivers to take a driving test and get a license. Why should guns be any different?

BTW, I am totally pro 2nd amendment. I just want the ones who own those guns to know what they are doing.

I have no problem with training. The NRA offers a fabulous set of training videos on DVD. Make an expert out of you. But as guns are a god-given right, so should be the training. Every American by dint of his tax dollars should have a portion of that go into government-paid guns and training. You should get tax credits for added training. Kids ought to get college credit for gun training. Time to put down their idiot-cellphones and start learning firearm skills and discipline. Time to build a stronger, safer, better-prepared America with disciplined, moral, responsible people again instead of all of the sick, pathetic, weenie psychos the Left has produced!

Lol, guns are a god given right?

What planet are you from anyway?

Self-defense is a god-given, inalienable right. If you can't grasp that, then YOU are the visiting alien.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Should there be mandatory training before you can purchase a firearm?

Yes - including mental and education tests.

Just as soon as we get to test your sanity and education before you vote.

 

[OKTexas]

...Any government control is an infringement, dumbass!

Regulating the Militia, well, is not an infringement, it is a Constitutional requirement.

And here we are dealing with the weaponry of the Militia As A Whole - the citizenry of the Republic.

It's a requirement for the State, not the feds.


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Now.

That is going to change.

Really, see article 5.


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[Cecilie1200]

Lets mandate education before you vote.

As soon as the first uneducated voter accidentally votes himself or someone else in the head we will get right on it.

Yes, there is no dangerous power in the world beyond that of firing bullets.

 

[MikeK]

I simply don't trust the local governments that would end up implementing this to be fair about it.

They will MAKE it difficult, then you would have to sue, and the local courts would side the with local governments.

Unfortunately I have nothing to base a substantive argument on -- except to suggest that no such proposal be enacted until all preventive, protective, and mutually acceptable provisions are clearly stipulated

 

[HappyJoy]

Lets mandate education before you vote.

As soon as the first uneducated voter accidentally votes himself or someone else in the head we will get right on it.

Yes, there is no dangerous power in the world beyond that of firing bullets.

Taking it a little too far, don't ya' think? It was a comparison to voting, not whatever you are imagining.

 

[HappyJoy]

I simply don't trust the local governments that would end up implementing this to be fair about it.

They will MAKE it difficult, then you would have to sue, and the local courts would side the with local governments.

Unfortunately I have nothing to base a substantive argument on -- except to suggest that no such proposal be enacted until all preventive, protective, and mutually acceptable provisions are clearly stipulated

If only we looked at our capital punishment crimes like this, we'd eliminate the death penalty tomorrow.

 

[martybegan]

I simply don't trust the local governments that would end up implementing this to be fair about it.

They will MAKE it difficult, then you would have to sue, and the local courts would side the with local governments.

Unfortunately I have nothing to base a substantive argument on -- except to suggest that no such proposal be enacted until all preventive, protective, and mutually acceptable provisions are clearly stipulated

good luck with that.

 

[OKTexas]

...Many states have requirements for Hunter Safety courses for getting a hunting license.......and MOST TRAINING is done by the EVIL NRA.......OMFG.

SOME States.

Not ALL.

Wake me up when you hit the ALL States mark, and when it's mandatory, not voluntary, across the board; consistent from one jurisdiction to the next.

All the well-intended mild regulation in the world, - within a given State - does little good, if you can drive across the State line and get your stuff without all that.

Or order it over the Internet or pick it up at a Gun Show, without all that "silly fuss".

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Oh, and, by the way...

It's GREAT that the NRA is doing much or most of such trainings.

Good for them.

That's exactly what they're SUPPOSED to be doing.

Rather than making Vote Whores out of our Elected Officials with their filthy lobbying Blood Money.

Great commie argument there comrade, top down one size fits all. FOAD


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[Rigby5]

The only logical, fair, or legal thing to do is mandatory, universal, firearms training, such as in high school.

There is no one who should be exempt, because it is always a potential civic responsibility.
For example, if some little old lady sees a pistol on the sidewalk, she should know how to unload it and put the safety on, before taking it to the police.

 

[OKTexas]

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Just teach gun safety in all schools, your perceived problem is solved and it won't cost anyone a dime. I'm sure the NRA would be happy to supply qualified instructors for free.


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As a NRA firearm instructor I would gladly contribute my time to go to a school and teach firearms safety.

The NRA use to send instructors to school but the Liberals stopped it.

Yep for the commies, ignorance is bliss.


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[Pop23]

That's because there's no such thing as a "right to fly a helicopter", Mensa Boy.

And why is that? How come?
How come that we decided to require some sort of training to get to use helicopters, cars and airplanes?

Is it perhaps because they weren’t around at the time? No one could foresee this?

Well, perhaps - just maybe - if the founding fathers knew we would use guns to blow kids to pieces they would actually have entered “but you DO need some training first”.

Guns couldn’t blow kids up in 1776?

Ok, now your just stupid. You realize you could own a canon back then, right? Were the founding fathers unaware of that as well?

Oh, how could any one forget the school shooting scenes from Little House...

Or how kids went to school with cannons hidden in their black coats to take revenge on their bullying schoolmates.

Nothing’s changed.

BINGO!

Damn. He actually went somewhere that can be controlled.

So, since for most of the history of this country, when most weapons were not illegal to own, even fully automatic machine guns, NONE OF THESE SHOOTINGS EVER HAPPENED!

Now to, what changed?

The start of the use of SSRI’s (antidepressants) on children as young as eight

Almost (and it may be all, but some of the info is not released) all of these shooters were on these SSRIs, which were either not available or rarely used on children until roughly 25years ago.

Gee, that’s about the same time these shootings started.

Now, before you blame this on mental illness, consider this:

There are roughly 33% of the country that have an illness that is treated with an SSRI. But only 1/3rd of them take the drug.

The 2/3rds that do not take the SSRI but are mentally ill, RARELY commit a violent crime. It’s almost zero. So no, it’s not the mental illness causing this.

The 1/3rd that do take the SSRI’s are 50% more likely to commit a violent crime than the general population and compromise nearly 100% of these school and other mass shootings.

You want to actually save life’s?

Quit feeding our children’s drugs that turn them into monsters.

You wanted to know what changed? There you have it.

The 11,000+ gun homicides each year are not because of SSRI's.

Stop drinking piss.

Link?

To your proof, I'm sure you have a piss drinking website somewhere, but just because that's your thing it's not everyones elses

 

[Pop23]

So, you're saying my sisters death is not statistically relevant? It's relevant to me. It's relevant to her mother, her father, her brother and sisters, aunts and uncles, cousins. The simple fact is that hundreds of people die each year due to carelessness with guns. Proper training would reduce that number. If it saved just a single life, it would be worth it. It might have saved my sisters life.

I ask, again. Why would anyone have a problem with demonstrating basic safety and competency, before buying a firearm?

So we don't require doctors to demonstrate basic safety and competency but how many people do they kill by making errors in medication?

We only require a college degree. I wasn’t thinking the gun education to be that extensive, more in the line of... well a drivers license?

Yet people with medical licenses and drivers licenses kill about 43 times the number of people with guns. Sounds to me like you don't have your priorities straight if you're really interested in saving lives.


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That wasn’t a valid comparison now, was it?

That cars driven by trained people hurt more people than guns used by untrained people isn’t the question.

It’s not about anti cars, doctors or guns. It’s about education before use. If you don’t think such an education would have any effect, well that’s an argument I can understand.

Well if education is what you want, no better place to do it than in the schools. A mandatory 2 hours per year should do the trick. Maybe a couple of field trips to the range for High Schools. Where is better to teach the responsibilities of a constitutional right than in the schools?


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^^^^^^^ This

 

[OKTexas]

Think about it. This is not a gun rights issue. It all about safety. Would you really want your neighbor having a gun and no clue how to use it safely, or even hit what he's aiming at? We require drivers to take a driving test and get a license. Why should guns be any different?

BTW, I am totally pro 2nd amendment. I just want the ones who own those guns to know what they are doing.

There should be mandatory psychological testing: 50% of our current gunnuts would be eliminated.

The Same could be said with your logic.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Your statement is completely illogical: there is no sense in it.

Based on the things I've been reading on these message boards, the posts of pro-gun people, they have obvious psychological problems, and I imagine the reason they don't want to do a psychological test before they are handed a gun is because they fear, and rightly so, they will fail the test.

Too many itchy fingers, too many having wet dreams hoping someone will break into their house so they can blow them away. Yep. A whole lot of very sick puppies.

The more you type the dumber you sound. No one hopes to get in a gun fight in their home, even if you prevail there will be a hell of a mess to clean up.


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[Flash]

[Qs no sense in it.

Based on the things I've been reading on these message boards, the posts of pro-gun people, they have obvious psychological problems,.

LOL! Where did you hear that, Democratunderground?

The nutcases are you stupid anti gun nuts that demand that the Bill of Rights be thrown in the trash because you know that is a hindrance to making the US a socialist shithole.

 

[Pop23]

That's because there's no such thing as a "right to fly a helicopter", Mensa Boy.

And why is that? How come?
How come that we decided to require some sort of training to get to use helicopters, cars and airplanes?

Is it perhaps because they weren’t around at the time? No one could foresee this?

Well, perhaps - just maybe - if the founding fathers knew we would use guns to blow kids to pieces they would actually have entered “but you DO need some training first”.

Guns couldn’t blow kids up in 1776?

Ok, now your just stupid. You realize you could own a canon back then, right? Were the founding fathers unaware of that as well?

Oh, how could any one forget the school shooting scenes from Little House...

Or how kids went to school with cannons hidden in their black coats to take revenge on their bullying schoolmates.

Nothing’s changed.

BINGO!

Damn. He actually went somewhere that can be controlled.

So, since for most of the history of this country, when most weapons were not illegal to own, even fully automatic machine guns, NONE OF THESE SHOOTINGS EVER HAPPENED!

Now to, what changed?

The start of the use of SSRI’s (antidepressants) on children as young as eight

Almost (and it may be all, but some of the info is not released) all of these shooters were on these SSRIs, which were either not available or rarely used on children until roughly 25years ago.

Gee, that’s about the same time these shootings started.

Now, before you blame this on mental illness, consider this:

There are roughly 33% of the country that have an illness that is treated with an SSRI. But only 1/3rd of them take the drug.

The 2/3rds that do not take the SSRI but are mentally ill, RARELY commit a violent crime. It’s almost zero. So no, it’s not the mental illness causing this.

The 1/3rd that do take the SSRI’s are 50% more likely to commit a violent crime than the general population and compromise nearly 100% of these school and other mass shootings.

You want to actually save life’s?

Quit feeding our children’s drugs that turn them into monsters.

You wanted to know what changed? There you have it.

The 11,000+ gun homicides each year are not because of SSRI's.

Stop drinking piss.

How bout following the conversation that we were having. It was about the school shootings, and there were not 11,000 shooting in schools.

And yes SSRI's are linked to most.

Now take a nap and have sweet dreams of being pissed on, cuz I sure as hell just pissed all over you.