Sick and tired of US debate on raising the min. wage.

[beautress]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

I think doubling the minimum wage would approximately quadruple those on welfare, and cause a dearth of jobs for youth who help their parents with younger children to make ends meet.

 

[Asclepias]

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News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

Dry wall, painting , electrician ...to name a few

Who are hiring these people? Those are the people you should go after. You shouldnt be fighting against legal workers getting a minimum wage. See? Your focus was just on the wrong thing.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

You could not be more wrong but then again I have exposed your lack of financial acumen many times on this board.

 

[hadit]

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News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

Exactly, I just made mention of that...its the legal immigrants that keep wages low, pay raises far and inbtween. I'm not hating on em, but I loath working with these Glad to be in America asian motherfuckers, who by the way are the worst creatures on the planet to work with. 20 feet of snow, they come to work, 50 inches of rain, they come to work, Covid, just a fuckin holiday to these motherfuckers, they use to wearing mask...I hate em and I love em too, some of the nicest motherfuckers you'll ever want to know....truly they are.

Oh, absolutely the Indian programmers I run into are very well educated, very well trained and do an fantastic job. They also, back in the day, were willing to work a whole lot cheaper than Americans were. And in today's distributed world where you can sling code from anywhere there's an internet connection, the salaries will eventually stabilize around a common point.

 

[Asclepias]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

I think doubling the minimum wage would approximately quadruple those on welfare, and cause a dearth of jobs for youth who help their parents with younger children to make ends meet.

Your marketing message lacks the punch necessary to tug at the heart strings. You should rewrite that.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Oh for gods sake. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I've worked hard since I was sixteen. I managed to survive and I get IT. I really DO! Raising the minim wage will NOT fix our economy. This is just a bone they throw to the dog. Its a empty short term bag of nothing.

" Raising the minim wage will NOT fix our economy. "

Who said it would by itself? The point is to pay people a wage they can survive on and raise their children so they dont repeat the cycle.

Businesses are not supposed to be welfare distribution centers. They exist to make a profit, and when you sharply increase the cost of labor, business takes steps to reduce that cost, and one of the things it does is lay workers off. Do you not think that would happen, that businesses would just happily accept the big increase in labor cost and do nothing about it? Keep in mind that the cost of a $15/hr job is a lot more than $15/hr.

" They exist to make a profit "

..and for that privilege they need to pay their share either in wages, taxes or both. You dont have a right to own a business if you cant pay the expenses of the environment

Then make it illegal for them to hire workers and force them to make that profit off their own labor.

Who's taxes california or Flordias?


.

 

[dblack]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're not that dumb, are you?

 

[hadit]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

 

[Wyatt earp]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

Dry wall, painting , electrician ...to name a few

Who are hiring these people? Those are the people you should go after. You shouldnt be fighting against legal workers getting a minimum wage. See? Your focus was just on the wrong thing.

Huh even american citizens get paid under the table

 

[tigerred59]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

This economy, no impact at all....are you that dumb

 

[hadit]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

Then why not raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Answer that honestly and you'll be on the right track.

 

[Asclepias]

Oh for gods sake. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I've worked hard since I was sixteen. I managed to survive and I get IT. I really DO! Raising the minim wage will NOT fix our economy. This is just a bone they throw to the dog. Its a empty short term bag of nothing.

" Raising the minim wage will NOT fix our economy. "

Who said it would by itself? The point is to pay people a wage they can survive on and raise their children so they dont repeat the cycle.

Businesses are not supposed to be welfare distribution centers. They exist to make a profit, and when you sharply increase the cost of labor, business takes steps to reduce that cost, and one of the things it does is lay workers off. Do you not think that would happen, that businesses would just happily accept the big increase in labor cost and do nothing about it? Keep in mind that the cost of a $15/hr job is a lot more than $15/hr.

" They exist to make a profit "

..and for that privilege they need to pay their share either in wages, taxes or both. You dont have a right to own a business if you cant pay the expenses of the environment

Then make it illegal for them to hire workers and force them to make that profit off their own labor.

Hmmm, now where have I heard of government and business working hand in hand before? I do hate to tell you this, but you absolutely have a right to own a business, full stop. Now, how long are you going to pretend you haven't seen the question that you are afraid to answer? See, I can play armchair psychiatrist too.

Show me where its written you can own a business without paying the required fees and costs of doing business.

 

[tigerred59]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

Says a white man, next?

 

[Asclepias]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

Then why not raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Answer that honestly and you'll be on the right track.

Thresholds son. Thresholds.

 

[dblack]

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

This economy, no impact at all....are you that dumb

Then why not raise it enough to make everyone rich? Minimum wage of $500/hr. If there's no negative impact, why in the hell wouldn't you want this?

And here's where liberals go numb and silent...

 

[Wyatt earp]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

Says a white man, next?

The minimum wage laws are fucking racist anyways do you know how many blacks owned business in the 1930s ?

 

[dblack]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

Then why not raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Answer that honestly and you'll be on the right track.

You won't get an honest answer.

 

[Asclepias]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

The world is global now. Just because its foreign competition doesnt mean its illegal. Green cards are legal.

 

[Asclepias]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

Says a white man, next?

The minimum wage laws are fucking racist anyways do you know how many blacks owned business in the 1930s ?

Do you know how many of the businesses were burned to the ground or put out of business by racists?

 

[Asclepias]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

Then why not raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Answer that honestly and you'll be on the right track.

You won't get an honest answer.

I gave him an honest answer. Its not minimum or max. There are thresholds because its a balancing act.