Sick and tired of US debate on raising the min. wage.

[dblack]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself.

I don't have to. Society expresses itself clearly via the market. $10 quarter pounders won't sell. '

You Qannon believers dont value much be we do.

LOL - I'm not a Qanon believer. I'm not a Trumpster. I'm not a Republican. I just don't like idiotic state policy.

 

[San Souci]

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

Liberals know jack shit about economy. All "wishes" to make an unskilled idiot equal with a rocket scientist. It just ain't so.

Most rocket scientist make way more than burger makers.

DUH!

 

[Wyatt earp]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

So much for free choice, eh comrade

 

[Asclepias]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself.

I don't have to. Society expresses itself clearly via the market. $10 quarter pounders won't sell. '

You Qannon believers dont value much be we do.

LOL - I'm not a Qanon believer. I'm not a Trumpster. I'm not a Republican. I just like idiotic state policy.

Just messing with you.
The market didnt tell the business to stiff the workers. The business did that to keep the shareholders happy making big profits.

 

[Asclepias]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

So much for free choice, eh comrade

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

 

[San Souci]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

So much for free choice, eh comrade

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

Like HealthCare?

 

[dblack]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself.

I don't have to. Society expresses itself clearly via the market. $10 quarter pounders won't sell. '

You Qannon believers dont value much be we do.

LOL - I'm not a Qanon believer. I'm not a Trumpster. I'm not a Republican. I just like idiotic state policy.

Just messing with you.
The market didnt tell the business to stiff the workers.

Yeah, it did. You did. Would you spend $10 for a quarter pounder? If not, you're part of the problem.

 

[dblack]

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

???

 

[Andylusion]

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News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

Have you been to a resturant of late? Have you visited a fast food chain lately.....factories, etc....listen, we all know they're there and we all know, what a US citizen wont' do, an illegal will....lets not go there, what the commentary said was true. They're the number one reason my job is suck a fucked up place to be,,,,glad to be in america immigrants. Who value money more than life.

Yes, I have been to fast food chains. Yes I have been to factories.

No, I don't agree that US citizens won't do those jobs.

Most of those jobs, were staffed by white Americans.

I don't know what you mean by valuing money more than life. Isn't that what you are suggesting, when you support jacking up the minimum wage? A policy that values money over any thing else?

 

[Asclepias]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

So much for free choice, eh comrade

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

Like HealthCare?

Healthcare isnt free either. At least not for everyone.

 

[Asclepias]

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

???

???

 

[Asclepias]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself.

I don't have to. Society expresses itself clearly via the market. $10 quarter pounders won't sell. '

You Qannon believers dont value much be we do.

LOL - I'm not a Qanon believer. I'm not a Trumpster. I'm not a Republican. I just like idiotic state policy.

Just messing with you.
The market didnt tell the business to stiff the workers.

Yeah, it did. You did. Would you spend $10 for a quarter pounder? If not, you're part of the problem.

I wouldnt spend 10 cents on a quarter pounder. That shit is horrible for your health.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

So much for free choice, eh comrade

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

Huh?

 

[dblack]

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

???

???

Your comment makes no sense. Free choice ≠ Free shit.

 

[Oldestyle]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Cutting corporate taxes fucked up the economy? How exactly?

Trillion dollar deficits

Deficits have nothing to do with the economy, Winger! That's a spending problem. If we taxed corporations at 100% of their profits it still wouldn't cancel out the deficits that we're running. The truth is...those tax cuts grew the economy.

 

[Wyatt earp]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself.

I don't have to. Society expresses itself clearly via the market. $10 quarter pounders won't sell. '

You Qannon believers dont value much be we do.

LOL - I'm not a Qanon believer. I'm not a Trumpster. I'm not a Republican. I just like idiotic state policy.

Just messing with you.
The market didnt tell the business to stiff the workers.

Yeah, it did. You did. Would you spend $10 for a quarter pounder? If not, you're part of the problem.

I wouldnt spend 10 cents on a quarter pounder. That shit is horrible for your health.

Control freak again?

 

[Asclepias]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

So much for free choice, eh comrade

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

Huh?

What confused you?

 

[Andylusion]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

This economy, no impact at all....are you that dumb

When you say 'this economy'... I don't understand what you mean by that, because "this economy" is based on the current economic policies. If you change the economy policies, it won't be 'this economy' anymore.

It will change. If you change the rules of the game..... the game will change.

In the 1980s, the government removed the tax shelter policies of owning real estate.

The result was a crash in the real estate markets. Now you can argue about who is to blame and say 'Reagan' this and that.... but regardless of who did what, changing the rules of the game, wrecked the game.

It won't be "This economy" anymore, if you change the rules "This economy" is based on.

 

[Asclepias]

No such thing as free choice or no one would have to pay for anything.

???

???

Your comment makes no sense. Free choice ≠ Free shit.

It does make sense. You just may be lacking in the ability to understand it.

 

[Oldestyle]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

aAnd stuffing the pockets of the rich is irresistible to the GOP, next?

That's it? "The Republicans are just as bad"? Weak.

The better comparison, if you want to point to equally stupid Republican policies, would be the border wall. It's an empty gesture that placates their idiot base.

Let's talk common sense, Dblack! You can have an entitlement society or you can have unsecure borders. You cannot have both at the same time because you'll never be able to pay for it!

Huh? What's your point? I don't want an entitlement society.

If you don't have an entitlement society then you can have open borders because people won't flood those borders for the entitlements. That is my "point"?