Sick and tired of US debate on raising the min. wage.

[Wyatt earp]

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

This economy, no impact at all....are you that dumb

Then why not raise it enough to make everyone rich? Minimum wage of $500/hr. If there's no negative impact, why in the hell wouldn't you want this?

And here's where liberals go numb and silent...

Make it a million an hour and we all are rich !!!!!!!

We could buy yaughts , lamborghini's , mansions and have house keepers !!!

 

[Wyatt earp]

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News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

Says a white man, next?

The minimum wage laws are fucking racist anyways do you know how many blacks owned business in the 1930s ?

Do you know how many of the businesses were burned to the ground or put out of business by racists?

And? It doesn't refute the fact more blacks owned business then today

 

[dblack]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Are you really - seriously - going to say that raising the minimum wage has no negative impact on the economy? To be clear, that's not really why I oppose it, but c'mon. You're that dumb, are you?

Then why not raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Answer that honestly and you'll be on the right track.

You won't get an honest answer.

I gave him an honest answer. Its not minimum or max. There are thresholds because its a balancing act.

Hmmm.... balance? Ok, so how much damage to the economy should we accept in order to appease dumb socialists? What is the target level of unemployment? Who should have to "take one for the team"?

 

[Oldestyle]

One of the things a lot of people miss with this topic is the unintended consequences...

I work in a Union environment. If the $10 an hour call center operators get an upgrade to $15 an hour then my $40 an hour job (4x the Operator pay) has to go up to $60 an hour. Imagine what that would require the company to do with our electric rates (I work for a utility company).

" has to go up to $60 "

Nothing has to go up because someone else got a raise. That can always be renegotiated.

What universe do you live in? In the REAL world if you're making fifteen dollars an hour and new hires are making ten dollars an hour...when the new hire starts making fifteen dollars an hour do you REALLY think you're not going to ask for a raise to twenty dollars an hour? Get your head out of your ass on this topic, Folks...it's not rocket science! You do however have to use a little common sense!

I would never ask for a raise because I was jealous. Sorry. I'm just not built like that. If youre character is such that you would be upset because someone else got a break you should reassess your character and ask why someone else making more money effects you? Stop being childish and spiteful.

I've never asked for a raise out of jealousy. I've always asked for raises when the job skills that I've learned have made me more valuable to my employer! Job skill is what should get you a higher wage...not some government mandate.

" Job skill is what should get you a higher wage... "

I agree but there should be a minimum wage that keeps you out of poverty just like there should be free health care in this country.

For god's sake...getting more skills is what keeps you out of poverty! What part of that concept can't you on the left grasp? If you're staying in poverty my question for you is...why? I've never worked a job that didn't have room for advancement. I've always advanced because I DON'T like poverty!

" For god's sake...getting more skills is what keeps you out of poverty! "

That's not necessarily true for a variety of reasons. In theory that sounds great but in reality (racism, physical and mental disabilities, cancer, etc etc) that only works for people that fit a certain mold.

Were you referring to people that have ambition? (eye roll)

Lots of people have ambition. Not everyone with ambition can get a good job.

Of course you can, it's called determination

You can be determined all you want but if they want to hire a white guy or girl you wont get hired unless you fit that mold.

Bullshit! Walk into any government office and look at who's working there. Do you really want to tell me that it's all white guys and girls?

Not sure you got what I saying. I will repeat it then you tell me what your reply had to do with what I said?

You can be determined all you want but if they want to hire a white guy or girl you wont get hired unless you fit that mold.

If you're a person of "color", Milkweed...your chances of being fired from ANY Public Sector job in America are slim and none...and slim just left town!

That only happens if your boss isn't white. I've had public sector jobs where I left because I didnt want to go to jail for killing a racist white boy.

The point is you "left"...you didn't get fired! As I said before if you're a person of "color" in modern day America you literally cannot get fired from a Public Sector job!

 

[Andylusion]

Long Beach just mandated a 4 dollar raise for grocery store owners. Two major grocery stores promptly closed leaving all employees out of a job and out of job benefits.

If they need a $7.25 minimum wage to stay in business, they deserve to close

Good. The two biggest grocery stores closed. Yaaay. The people are out of a job. The neighborhood now has to go elsewhere to shop. Meanwhile the Kroger company will not feel a thing. It's a win lose in all the right places.

If Kroger cannot operate without $7.25 wages
They deserve to fail

That's fine.... but just understand that if every business that deserves to fail, fails, then you will have mass unemployment and a great depression.

The people in Greece, said the same thing, which is why they had a minimum wage that was tied to inflation, and the result was the entire country imploded.

Guess what they did? They cut the minimum wage. Guess what happened? Unemployment in the 30% range, started to fall.

Again, you can say that, but them failing just means people are unemployed.

See you seem to be operating under the strange idea that if all the companies that can't pay $15/hour fail... then all those unemployed people will just magically find jobs that pay $15/hour. No. That's not how it works. If your labor isn't worth $15/hours, then you just stay unemployed.

You can mandate a minimum wage, sure. But you can't mandate that customers pay $15/hour for labor that isn't worth $15/hours. Thus those people just.... don't have a job.

Save me the drama

Minimum wage has been increased for 80 years. Business survived, the market adjusted.

We have not increased the wage in eleven years. Low wage workers have suffered. They have used debt to replace wages that haven kept up with inflation

biden made a promise, he best keep it...WAGES NEED TO GO UP AND IF BUSINESS WANT TO LEAVE...BYE!!

We have sold out the working class for too long

We just gave business a 40 percent tax cut but they cry poverty if they have to give their lowest paid workers a pay increase after 12 years

Who's crying poverty? A business will adjust to an increase in costs. How it adjusts is effected by how big the increase is and how fast it hit. A business, can, for example:

1. Lay off workers. Fewer people working and fewer goods and services on the market, but hey, we really stuck it to those business owners (pssst, don't tell anybody the owner still gets paid what he did before).
2. Outsource jobs and, yes, lay off workers. Customer service now comes from Calcutta by a guy you can't understand, but hey, we really stuck it to those business owners.
3. Automate jobs and, yes, lay off workers. Sure you have to place your order and pay for it without a person to explain that number 3 is atomic blast hot, but hey, we really stuck it to those business owners.
4. Be sold and absorbed by a competitor, and yes, lay off workers. More good paying jobs lost, but hey, we really stuck it to those business owners.
5. Fold up and go out of business. Sure, the owner walks away with everything and everybody is out of a job, and well, you know the rest.
6. Raise prices. This may not be possible based on the market. With all those laid off workers trying to hold onto every dollar until they can start working again, not too many are going to be happy paying more for stuff, but hey, we really stuck it to those business owners.

Dont let them make you afraid of losing your job. Its all a bluff.

What makes you think I'm afraid of losing my job? I'm in a high demand field. I just know human nature, and it does not just go, "Okay, I'll double my labor costs and change nothing else whatsoever". Double the MW and jobs will be lost. Eventually, some will be replaced, but as always, it's the guy on the bottom rung of the ladder that gets hurt the most. It's that young kid who was just trying to build some work experience and make some money for school that will have to compete with experienced workers who got laid off and are now looking for any job they can get to keep things going.

" What makes you think I'm afraid of losing my job? "

You mentioned getting laid off in 6 out of 6 of your examples. You dont find that a little odd? Wouldnt you be good just mentioning it once?

No, I don't find it odd that people get laid off when the government arbitrarily increases the cost of labor. Would it surprise you that it happened?

I was asking didnt you find it odd for someone that claimed they were not worried about losing their job to mention it in 6 out of 6 of their examples. You are obviously worried but I promise you that you wont lose your job.

Ace, I am so so sick of white people thinking all is fair and good out here in the real world...its not. Employers don't give a rats fuck about its workers, all they care about is the bottom line and that's okay, but don't come here talking fairness when it comes to wage earnings....I work with ppl of color and all ethnicity and trust and believe, its the white girls and gals thats making the big dollars and we all know it. Every time one of em threaten to quit, they get raises, a minority threatens, its can I help you to the door.

No one said the world was fair. No one. The difference is, the solution isn't in government trying to pass more laws. If more laws fixed everything, the world should have been fixed in the last 50 years.

My whole life hasn't been fair. But I did not blame others for it. It just happens. That's how the world is. Trying to fix it, can only make it more unfair.

Employers don't give a rats fuck about its workers

I have never expected my employer to give a rats whatever about me. Why would I expect that? Since when is it everyone else's job in this world, to care specifically about my life?

The only thing I expect the employer to do, is to pay me the wage that we both agree to. And if they don't... they I don't work there. And that has happened. I've had employers that didn't pay me the agreed to wage, and I fixed that real quick... because I did not return the following day.

"Hey where are you?"
Me: "You didn't pay me. I'm at home"
"oh well we'll...."
Me: "No... no this is over. You agreed to pay X, and you didn't. Thanks for calling, Goodbye."

But beyond that.... No if you think it's your employers job to give you a pay raise or promotion because "they should be looking out for me" then I respectfully suggest your expectations are flawed.

When you go to get an oil change from a mechanic, do you think to yourself "I should give him a pay raise because I care about his well being!".... or do you pay how much you both agree to as a price?

So why do you think your employer should operate with you, in a method you don't operate with anyone else?

If you are worth more money, then get a job that pays more, and prove it. If you can't get a job that pays more, that means you are not worth more money. You need to get skills, or abilities, or change whatever it is in your character that causes you not to be worth more.

I work with ppl of color and all ethnicity and trust and believe, its the white girls and gals thats making the big dollars and we all know it. Every time one of em threaten to quit, they get raises, a minority threatens, its can I help you to the door.

Then there is something wrong with those people that are shown the door.

Because I too have worked with minority people for now 20 years. When I was in charge of hiring people, I had no problem hiring minorities. Specifically Asians and Mexicans were always welcome, because they all worked extremely hard. They were fantastic people. In fact, I preferred them over many white girls. Not all, but some white girls I had problems with, because they had an entitlement mindset, and had attitude problems.

You'll likely hate this when I say it, but we only had 2 black people that worked there for any amount of time, because they were hard working people, and both were Trump supporters. Just saying... The girl I worked with, moved up into management, but I still remember the day she said to a group of us, that Obama never did anything for her, and that she wouldn't be a Democrat again. She said, she worked her way up. She got the training, and learned new skills. She is the one that put in the long hours, and stayed late to make sure the work was done right. She was tired of people telling her that she had to vote this way or that, for people who never helped her out in her life. I still remember her saying "Who are these people telling me who I have to vote for, because I'm black?".. and this was 4 years before Biden said if you don't vote for him, then you are not black.

So I'll say it again. If you have people that are still earning minimum wage after all this time, they are doing something wrong. And likely one thing they are doing wrong, is sitting around waiting for government to fix their life.

If you get the $15/hour minimum wage.... and it looks to me like you will.... it won't fix their lives. It won't fix anything. Most of them will be worse off, or at the very best, no better off.

The people who will be better off, will always be those like my hard working Trump-supporting black lady friend, whose now in management. Because she didn't wait on government, and improved her own life.

 

[San Souci]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

 

[Asclepias]

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News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

Says a white man, next?

The minimum wage laws are fucking racist anyways do you know how many blacks owned business in the 1930s ?

Do you know how many of the businesses were burned to the ground or put out of business by racists?

And? It doesn't refute the fact more blacks owned business then today

And it proves my point I made earlier about racists.

 

[San Souci]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

No Burger FLIPPER. Left a word out.

 

[Asclepias]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

 

[San Souci]

View attachment 452710

News flash alert....when I was 12 years old, White Castle hamburgers were 15CENTS, today they're a 1.25...now these burgers are about the size of a postage stamp and still are....but the world didn't end and the workers, actually make good wages....one more time, JUST PAY THE MAN, AUNT BEE.

When you where 12 we didn't have 20 million illegals in this country lowering wages

What jobs are illegals taking that is lowering the wages? I havent heard that one before.

LEGAL immigrants lower wages. I've seen that in my field. In the golden days of IT, the 80's and 90's, if you didn't like your job or wanted more money you could walk down the street for 20% more. Then Indian programmers started flooding the market, willing to work for a fraction of what American coders made. That's when I decided to move into database administration. It's much more specialized and has less pressure from well trained, low cost foreign workers.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. You have to adapt and then stop whining about environment. Those people you are talking about are not illegal. They have green cards.

I'm in IT and I have zero problems getting top dollar. I saw the market changing and took steps to ensure my career didn't plateau too soon. Nobody's whining, I was pointing out that IT is one field that feels the effect of foreign competition. Now, are you going to get over your fear of answering a simple question or stay in the corner?

Says a white man, next?

The minimum wage laws are fucking racist anyways do you know how many blacks owned business in the 1930s ?

Do you know how many of the businesses were burned to the ground or put out of business by racists?

And? It doesn't refute the fact more blacks owned business then today

And it proves my point I made earlier about racists.

The only "Racists" are BLM/

 

[Andylusion]

I've never asked for a raise out of jealousy. I've always asked for raises when the job skills that I've learned have made me more valuable to my employer! Job skill is what should get you a higher wage...not some government mandate.

Why do we have an endless war on poverty or any homeless if it is as easy as you claim?

Get rid of welfare, problem solved

What are all those people in those red states going to do without welfare?

Get a job at bmw, volvo, toyota and the rest?

They dont need that many workers. They have robots.

Not according to the job boards

Youre claiming that these companies have meaningful employment for every person on welfare in each state?

Yes

Show us with population figures included. Never mind. I know you cant because capitalism doesnt work like that. It needs people in poverty to work efficiently.

Describe poverty , someone making $20 bucks an hour in New York City is poor, someone making $20 in Alabama is middle class

I lived in San Diego 4 years after I left the Navy, this was in the mid 80's, I was making 7 bucks an hour back then working in a super market. We all get the location, location location debate.....still we need to raise the min wage, what is so hard about all this, just do it. I was making 2.10 an hour when I was 16, again, location, location, location.

If you want to raise the minimum wage in your city, or state, by all means. But I do have a problem with you saying, that because you want that policy in your 'location location location"... what gives you the right to force that on the rest of us?

 

[San Souci]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

 

[dblack]

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices, instead of society. That's what minimum wage is all about.

 

[Andylusion]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

And that worked so well for Greece, remember? Remember how they were leading the EU economically?

No? Me neither. I remember them being forced to cut the minimum wage, to get unemployment to go down. That's what I remember.

 

[Asclepias]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself. You Qannon believers dont value much but we do.

 

[San Souci]

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

Liberals know jack shit about economy. All "wishes" to make an unskilled idiot equal with a rocket scientist. It just ain't so.

 

[Asclepias]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Bullshit. No burger is worth $15 per hour. Or any other unskilled job.Business should compete for the MOST talented ,skilled ,and savvy workers. Mediocre should NOT be rewarded.

Pretty sure one burger maker on average makes about $100-$200 worth of burgers in an hour.

Left a word out. Unskilled labor should be payed what the EMPLOYER offers.

And the employer is forced to offer at least minimum wage or go do business in china.

 

[Asclepias]

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

Liberals know jack shit about economy. All "wishes" to make an unskilled idiot equal with a rocket scientist. It just ain't so.

Most rocket scientist make way more than burger makers.

 

[Andylusion]

Minimum wage is a horseshit issue. But, it stirs up the dummies and gives government more power - so it's irresistible to Democrats.

It is a horseshit issue
It should have been raised 10 years ago and future raises should be tied to inflation

You know why it wasn't? Because politicians are afraid of getting voted out of office for fucking up the economy.

Raising minimum wage does not fuk up the economy
Cutting corporate taxes by 40 percent did

Why would companies being able to investment more money into the economy... cause a problem in the economy? That makes no logical sense.

Further, I pretty sure I heard you in the past say that corporations were off shoring jobs out of the country, because labor is cheaper.......... now you are suggesting that increasing the cost of labor could not possibly harm the economy.

Do you not see those two claims are mutually exclusive?

 

[San Souci]

" we don't value what they do very much.

Liberals don't get how value is determined in a free society. It's determined by all of us. The reason burger flippers don't make much money is that we don't value what they do very much. If you force people to pay more to have their burgers flipped, many of them will choose to flip their own burgers. And burger flippers will be out of work.

Anyway, I suppose some of them do get this - but they don't like it. They want government to be in charge of setting wages and prices. That's what minimum wage is all about.

" we don't value what they do very much. "

Speak for yourself. You Qannon believers dont value much be we do.

Don't even know what Qanon is. It ain't Qanon destroying our cities.