simple question for the WTC collapse

[eots]

In the collapse videos notice that debris are falling at twice the rate of the collapse. How is that possible if the building fell at "free fall speed"

twice the rate ? ..don't be ridiculous NIST concedes "essentially free fall"

*sigh*

You don't get it do you?

Let's take this REAL slow.

If the debris seen falling in all the videos and pictures is falling AHEAD of the collapse of the building proper, how could the collapse be at free fall?

Take your time eots...

essentially at free fall was shyams statement

 

[eots]

What was the distance the building fell? Remember the rubble pile was 50 feet high & the collapse started at the 78th floor impact area.

The time it took to collapse did not end when the building disappeared behind other 500 foot tall buildings.

Debris fell to the ground much much faster than the building did.

The fact that you retards can't comprehend physical facts makes any discussion with you a complete waste of time.

Ya.. thats right us retards that can not understand "physical facts"...lol


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.

Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth

They should burn that guy's degrees as he doesn't deserve them.

Pyroclastic clouds?



You mean volcanoes were involved?! Holy crap!

Massive structural members being hurled HORIZONTALLY?! I have asked for evidence of this HORIZONTAL trajectory and nobody has been able to provide it. I wonder why...

A pyroclastic flow (also known scientifically as a pyroclastic density current[1]) is a fast-moving current of hot gas and rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow

 

[eots]

pyroclastic - Science Definition
Composed chiefly of rock fragments of explosive origin, especially those associated with explosive volcanic eruptions

pyroclastic - Definition of pyroclastic

 

[KissMy]

What was the distance the building fell? Remember the rubble pile was 50 feet high & the collapse started at the 78th floor impact area.

The time it took to collapse did not end when the building disappeared behind other 500 foot tall buildings.

Debris fell to the ground much much faster than the building did.

The fact that you retards can't comprehend physical facts makes any discussion with you a complete waste of time.

Ya.. thats right us retards that can not understand "physical facts"...lol

^^^ True retard story! ^^^ Plus you failed to answer the "What was the distance the building fell?" question.

Next question - How can debris fall faster than a free falling building?

 

[eots]

What was the distance the building fell? Remember the rubble pile was 50 feet high & the collapse started at the 78th floor impact area.

The time it took to collapse did not end when the building disappeared behind other 500 foot tall buildings.

Debris fell to the ground much much faster than the building did.

The fact that you retards can't comprehend physical facts makes any discussion with you a complete waste of time.

Ya.. thats right us retards that can not understand "physical facts"...lol

^^^ True retard story! ^^^ Plus you failed to answer the "What was the distance the building fell?" question.

Next question - How can debris fall faster than a free falling building?

debris experiencing slightly less wind resistance than the main mass fell slightly faster..this would be why Shyam used the term "essentially at free fall"

 

[KissMy]

Ya.. thats right us retards that can not understand "physical facts"...lol

^^^ True retard story! ^^^ Plus you failed to answer the "What was the distance the building fell?" question.

Next question - How can debris fall faster than a free falling building?

debris experiencing slightly less wind resistance than the main mass fell slightly faster..this would be why Shyam used the term "essentially at free fall"

So the building experienced more resistance than the debris that only experienced wind resistance, therefore the building did not fall at free fall speed.

Next question - How long was the building falling? Not how long until it disappeared behind other 500 foot tall buildings.

 

[legaleagle_45]

ad hominem attacks from a blogger lol...does that mean he is debwunked ?

The link I provided you provides a link to Dwain Deets 1 hour speech in San Diego where he discusses the "rays from outer space theory" as well as the "mini nuke theory" You can watch it here:

The Puzzling WTC 7 Destruction on Vimeo

Now why do you assume that he is debunked merely for asserting that "rays from outer space" brought down WTC7? You think there are no such thing as SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

One of the prime movers and shakers behind the 9/11 truthers is none other than David Icke who is the source of the SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!! theory, which is the mother of all conspiracy theories. See, Icke's book "The Biggest Secret" revealed that the biggest secret is that the human race is being controlled by

SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

His website devotes a lot of attention to 9/11 ... here is one that has a video:

Dr Judy Wood - Where Did the Towers Go? The energy weapon that brought down the towers.

The 9/11 Inside Job Conspiracy: Names, Connections And Details Exposed - David Icke Website

Obviously proof positive of Icke's revelations concerning SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

Of course anyone worth his conspiracy theory boots knows that Bush and Obama are SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!


But did you know that, and according to Icke, Box Car Willie was a SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIEN FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

Et Tu Box Car??

Bet you did not know that, according to Icke, Queen Elizabeth is the head Lizard and likes to eat little children for snacks? Yep... Lizze the Lizard. It must be true, because he wrote a book!! Lots of books in fact!! Here is a sampeling:


The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World. Bridge of Love Publications, 1999.

Children of the Matrix. Bridge of Love Publications, 2001.

Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster. Bridge of Love Publications, 2002.

Tales from the Time Loop. Bridge of Love Publications, 2003.

Infinite Love Is the Only Truth: Everything Else Is Illusion. Bridge of Love Publications, 2005

The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy (and how to end it). David Icke Books Ltd, 2007.

Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More. David Icke Books Ltd, 2010.

 

[eots]

^^^ True retard story! ^^^ Plus you failed to answer the "What was the distance the building fell?" question.

Next question - How can debris fall faster than a free falling building?

debris experiencing slightly less wind resistance than the main mass fell slightly faster..this would be why Shyam used the term "essentially at free fall"

So the building experienced more resistance than the debris that only experienced wind resistance, therefore the building did not fall at free fall speed.

Next question - How long was the building falling? Not how long until it disappeared behind other 500 foot tall buildings.

WTC 7 was in full free fall for 2.5 secs according to NIST..the collapse of the towers was described by shyam sunder of NIST as "at near free-fall" and "essentially at free fall"

 

[Gamolon]

Ya.. thats right us retards that can not understand "physical facts"...lol


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.

Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth

They should burn that guy's degrees as he doesn't deserve them.

Pyroclastic clouds?



You mean volcanoes were involved?! Holy crap!

Massive structural members being hurled HORIZONTALLY?! I have asked for evidence of this HORIZONTAL trajectory and nobody has been able to provide it. I wonder why...

A pyroclastic flow (also known scientifically as a pyroclastic density current[1]) is a fast-moving current of hot gas and rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow

Funny you left out the part about the temperatures present AND that it's moving away from a volcano.

There was no "pyroclastic flow" as the temperatures and volcano criteria that define a pyroclastic flow were both missing. Try again.

 

[eots]

ad hominem attacks from a blogger lol...does that mean he is debwunked ?

The link I provided you provides a link to Dwain Deets 1 hour speech in San Diego where he discusses the "rays from outer space theory" as well as the "mini nuke theory" You can watch it here:

The Puzzling WTC 7 Destruction on Vimeo

Now why do you assume that he is debunked merely for asserting that "rays from outer space" brought down WTC7? You think there are no such thing as SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

One of the prime movers and shakers behind the 9/11 truthers is none other than David Icke who is the source of the SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!! theory, which is the mother of all conspiracy theories. See, Icke's book "The Biggest Secret" revealed that the biggest secret is that the human race is being controlled by

SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

His website devotes a lot of attention to 9/11 ... here is one that has a video:

Dr Judy Wood - Where Did the Towers Go? The energy weapon that brought down the towers.

The 9/11 Inside Job Conspiracy: Names, Connections And Details Exposed - David Icke Website

Obviously proof positive of Icke's revelations concerning SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

Of course anyone worth his conspiracy theory boots knows that Bush and Obama are SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIENS FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!


But did you know that, and according to Icke, Box Car Willie was a SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILIAN ALIEN FROM THE CONSTELLATION DRACO!!

Et Tu Box Car??

Bet you did not know that, according to Icke, Queen Elizabeth is the head Lizard and likes to eat little children for snacks? Yep... Lizze the Lizard. It must be true, because he wrote a book!! Lots of books in fact!! Here is a sampeling:


The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World. Bridge of Love Publications, 1999.

Children of the Matrix. Bridge of Love Publications, 2001.

Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster. Bridge of Love Publications, 2002.

Tales from the Time Loop. Bridge of Love Publications, 2003.

Infinite Love Is the Only Truth: Everything Else Is Illusion. Bridge of Love Publications, 2005

The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy (and how to end it). David Icke Books Ltd, 2007.

Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More. David Icke Books Ltd, 2010.

The fact you have to resort to large bold red all caps and strawmen is a clear sign you have lost the debate

 

[Gamolon]

twice the rate ? ..don't be ridiculous NIST concedes "essentially free fall"

*sigh*

You don't get it do you?

Let's take this REAL slow.

If the debris seen falling in all the videos and pictures is falling AHEAD of the collapse of the building proper, how could the collapse be at free fall?

Take your time eots...

essentially at free fall was shyams statement

Essentially you exaggerated. Free fall was said to have occurred for 2.25 seconds of WTC7's collapse ONLY. Not for the entire WTC1, WTC2, or WTC7 collapse durations like you want people to think.

 

[legaleagle_45]

debris experiencing slightly less wind resistance than the main mass fell slightly faster..this would be why Shyam used the term "essentially at free fall"

WOW, a whole new world of physics proven to be wrong by 9/11 Truthers... You folks should inform this educational science web page

Elephant and Feather - Air Resistance

Suppose that an elephant and a feather are dropped off a very tall building from the same height at the same time. We will assume the realistic situation that both feather and elephant encounter air resistance. Which object - the elephant or the feather - will hit the ground first?

 

[Gamolon]

twice the rate ? ..don't be ridiculous NIST concedes "essentially free fall"

WRONG!

FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation

11. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?
NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NIST NCSTAR 1-5A).
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:
“The structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.
Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”
In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.

Why do you continue to post lies eots?

ask shyam

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C15KxDhqxNc]9/11 Debunked; World Trade Center- no Free-Fall speeds? Let's ask Shyam Sunder.. - YouTube[/ame]

Can you point me to the part of the video were Shyam says WTC1 and WTC2 COMPLETELY collapsed at free fall times? Can you point me to the part of the video where Shyam says that WTC7 COMPLETELY collapsed at free fall time?

 

[eots]

Deets credentials and career are impeccable and you completely misrepresent his speech

 

[Gamolon]

debris experiencing slightly less wind resistance than the main mass fell slightly faster..

Put the weed down and think that through again.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Really?

lol exactly Ollie NIST lots of steel untested that would almost certainly have shown temperatures well in excess of what can occur in a office fire so NIST could not test those..the test they did do however do not show the temperatures they predicted as required for failure

That beam is evidence of what happens when heat is applied under stress. For starters you can see blackening around the base which is evidence that it was in the vicinity of the fires. Secondly the shape shows evidence of softening, buckling and twisting by the heat and the stress. Finally there is no obvious evidence of damage from explosives.

The temperatures for "failure" did not need to be reached by the curtain wall structure. In fact none of the steel needed to reach "melting point" or anywhere close to it. It only needed to reach a temperature at which the structural integrity was compromised sufficiently for one of the floors to collapse. The steel that actually did reach that temperature would have been at the center of the collapse and subjected to full force of subsequent 1000' plunge with tens of thousands more tons landing on top of it. Finding it would have been a needle in a haystack.

 

[eots]

*sigh*

You don't get it do you?

Let's take this REAL slow.

If the debris seen falling in all the videos and pictures is falling AHEAD of the collapse of the building proper, how could the collapse be at free fall?

Take your time eots...

essentially at free fall was shyams statement

Essentially you exaggerated. Free fall was said to have occurred for 2.25 seconds of WTC7's collapse ONLY. Not for the entire WTC1, WTC2, or WTC7 collapse durations like you want people to think.

give it up...shyam sunder of NIST without question descibed the towers collapse as at near free-fall and essentially at free fall

 

[legaleagle_45]

The fact you have to resort to large bold red all caps and strawmen is a clear sign you have lost the debate

The fact that you wish to disclaim the theories espoused by the very people you employ to buttress your position is a clear sign you have lost the debate.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Deets credentials and career are impeccable and you completely misrepresent his speech

Deets believes that possible explanations for the collapse of WTC onclude "rays from outer space" and "mini nukes"

Live with it.

 

[eots]

lol exactly Ollie NIST lots of steel untested that would almost certainly have shown temperatures well in excess of what can occur in a office fire so NIST could not test those..the test they did do however do not show the temperatures they predicted as required for failure

That beam is evidence of what happens when heat is applied under stress. For starters you can see blackening around the base which is evidence that it was in the vicinity of the fires. Secondly the shape shows evidence of softening, buckling and twisting by the heat and the stress. Finally there is no obvious evidence of damage from explosives.

The temperatures for "failure" did not need to be reached by the curtain wall structure. In fact none of the steel needed to reach "melting point" or anywhere close to it. It only needed to reach a temperature at which the structural integrity was compromised sufficiently for one of the floors to collapse. The steel that actually did reach that temperature would have been at the center of the collapse and subjected to full force of subsequent 1000' plunge with tens of thousands more tons landing on top of it. Finding it would have been a needle in a haystack.

"although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have."
OpEdNews - Page 2 of Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation