Since the start of the Trade war...

[Harpy Eagle]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

 

[Faun]

Hey gramps, why'd you delete this from your post...?

And the quarter (as everyone knows)was previously posted as 4.2% and then the numbers were changed ([probably by Obama appointees in the Bureau of Economic Analysis). Even the charts I posted months ago showing 4.2, now show 3.5. We'll have to start taking photographs to get ahead of the alteration scammers, but it's a foregone conclusion that the Bureau if Economic Analysis is a ludicrously unreliable source, with corrupt, fake news scammers.​

... is it because after you got schooled by Golfing Gator, you realized how unhinged and paranoid you sound?

I didn't delete anything, and nobody schooled me about anything. As for the paragragh you mentioned, I'll post it again right now, just to make sure everybody knows about it. Maybe Ill post it again after that too. And again and again. >>

And the quarter (as everyone knows)was previously posted as 4.2% and then the numbers were changed (probably by Obama appointees in the Bureau of Economic Analysis). Even the charts I posted months ago showing 4.2, now show 3.5. We'll have to start taking photographs to get ahead of the alteration scammers, but it's a foregone conclusion that the Bureau if Economic Analysis is a ludicrously unreliable source, with corrupt, fake news scammers.

LOLOL

You're fucking senile, gramps.

Of course you deleted it. It's no longer in that post to me but it was captured in a post by Golfing Gator who replied to you.

 

[DOTR]

I ain't any smarter than I was a year ago when I posted this....

When it comes to China I question whether Trump (we) can win? That's due to my lack of understanding of economics, in particular how China goes about manipulating its currency, which I heard so much about throughout the years. If Trump imposes a 20% tariff on China and they devalue their currency by 20% does it come out as a wash while at the same time hikes the prices of American imports to China? I just don't know, am not pretending to.
I think Trump can win a trade war with China, so long as he doesn't go Hitler for a two-three front
​

Read this morning:

But as a retaliatory move to the new round of tariffs, China devalued its currency to an 11-year low and stopped purchases of U.S. farm products.
After Yuan Devaluation, Likely Chinese Retaliation & ETF Ways
​

​

Short answer is "no". There is too great a cost. Even communists have to face this unless they want to impose even more draconian controls.
Inflation will rise in China now. A falling currency always leads to rising inflation. In fact allowing their currency to fall was their only choice other than raising interest rates which would have the same traumatic effect on their economy.
Capital flight will increase. China does have draconian controls there. Its why they restrict Visa, Mastercard Paypal and crypto currencies. People have even been caught trying to sneak their wealth into dollars with poker chips. Golfing Gator will make China out to be an economic utopia..but thats the job of the propagandist who thinks socialism is more robust than freedom. In reality if they lifted capital controls their currency would collapse as people exchanged it for dollars.
Also bankruptcies. A wave of bankruptcies is waiting if they devalue more. What has been done already wont crush them but according to the Financial Times the defaults they will see as a result of this latest devaluation will be not negligible.
Also remember that China doesnt have the advantage we have of borrowing in their own currency.

You might remember what happened to Iceland when its currency fell too far? An implosion. Remember when Soros broke Britain? Same chaos (and he is funneling the profits of that blood money into liberal groups in the US now)

Tuesday evening China stepped in and tried to strengthen its currency which is the truest indicator of how they feel about it. The Chinese didnt actively debase their currency. They took a hit as markets realized what China is in for and the Chinese government simply didnt step in. They let it slide some and true to form the New York Times, Market Watch, the Wall Street Journal and various leftists here started squalling that we were beaten. Then quietly, on Tuesday evening, their government did step in. I doubt it will fall any more than it has unless we really put the screws to them and crash their economy.

 

[Faun]

And real unemployment is still somewhere around 40%.

Shred of evidence, please.

Sure... when the U-3 unemployment rate was 5%, Crazy Donald told us...

"Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment. The number's probably 28%, 29%, as high as 35%, in fact, I even heard recently 42%."​

...and the U-3 unemployment rate is down little over one percentage point since then.

 

[Faun]

Orange Man Bad, we’re all going to die!

Record 157,288,000 Employed in July

Labor force participation rate still really low.

More people working now than ever has been in US History.

Record 157,288,000 Employed in July

So? When Obama left office, we had a record number of people employed at that time.

 

[DOTR]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

View attachment 273276

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

 

[Faun]

Happens almost every month, it is called population growth. Happened more than 30 times under Obama...did you cheer for him each time?

30 times, huh ? Of course, even IF it did (you post no link), that was just recession recoil, no matter who was president.

Actually, it was 33 times...

 

[Indeependent]

How do our economic indicators look?

GDP growth...not good and heading the wrong way
View attachment 272446

The Markets...not good, stagnant...In the 557 days of the trade war this is how they have done...

DJI up 1.59% . An annual growth rate of 1.04%
S&P up 4.33%. An annual growth rate of 2.84%
NASDAQ up 12.56%. An annual growth rate of 8.23%
SmallCap 2000 down 3.99. An annual growth rate of -2.62

Trade Deficit...no better than when we started...
View attachment 272447

National Debt...very bad

$ 1,529,671,787,835 added to the National Debt. That is an annual rate of $1,004,878,813,861.

Employment...mixed bag.

UE rate from 4.1 to 3.7. Pretty good.
LFPR from 63% to 63%...no change

Cool story...
Pack a stadium with everyone who lost their careers and jobs and tell them how your life sucks.
But first make me the beneficiary of your life insurance policy.

 

[Faun]

It was not recession recoil, it was population growth. The more people past the age of 16, the more people working. Simple mathematics. But you were right about one thing, it happens no matter who the president is.

It was recession recoil. Note how after the recoil wore off and the community organizer (with no business background) was on his own, GDP dropped and dropped (2016), like a sinking ship.

Nope, employment had already recovered from Bush's Great Recession by then.

 

[Faun]

He said it before he was elected, his story changed after Nov 2016.

Trump: Unemployment Rate As High As 40%

Trump: Don't Believe Unemployment Is 5%, As High As 35, 42%

HA HA HA. Oh man, you're making this too easy for me. Oh "before he was elected" huh? Pheeew! (high-pitched whistle)

EARTH TO GG: Before he was elected, Obama was president. Trump's accomplishments on unemployment (black, Hispanic, and disabled unemployment is lowest in US history, women unemployment lowest in 65 years) CAME FROM HIM, AFTER HE WAS ELECTED. Got it ?

It wasn't his "story" that changed, it was the economy that changed. It went from a sinking ship, to a booming, healthy economy, with less business regulation, and a much reduced corporate tax.

Great, so real unemployment was 42% then... it's come down 1.3 points since then, so now it's about 40.7%

 

[Faun]

Sigh...

Yes, before he was elected he said that UE numbers were lies. The day he got elected those numbers were magically not lies any more. And he says these stupid ass things because of people like you that are too fucking stupid to know you are being lied to.

Not magically. They WERE lies coming from a jihadist Muslim, living by the Koran and its TAQIYYA (lying being acceptable). YOU are you one who is too "fucking stupid" to know THAT (in addition to not being able to grasp Microeconimics 101 regarding prices and employment).

 

[Faun]

Show me where he mentioned the labor force participation rate today.

He says there are more people working than ever before. Got it ?

And you think that's the labor force participation rate, do ya, gramps?

Like I said, you're fucking senile.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How do our economic indicators look?

GDP growth...not good and heading the wrong way
View attachment 272446

The Markets...not good, stagnant...In the 557 days of the trade war this is how they have done...

DJI up 1.59% . An annual growth rate of 1.04%
S&P up 4.33%. An annual growth rate of 2.84%
NASDAQ up 12.56%. An annual growth rate of 8.23%
SmallCap 2000 down 3.99. An annual growth rate of -2.62

Trade Deficit...no better than when we started...
View attachment 272447

National Debt...very bad

$ 1,529,671,787,835 added to the National Debt. That is an annual rate of $1,004,878,813,861.

Employment...mixed bag.

UE rate from 4.1 to 3.7. Pretty good.
LFPR from 63% to 63%...no change

Cool story...
Pack a stadium with everyone who lost their careers and jobs and tell them how your life sucks.
But first make me the beneficiary of your life insurance policy.

You Trump worshipers are so damn confused. I provide nothing but cold hard facts and you call them stories and propaganda.

I have never said my life sucks, my life is awesome. Unlike you I care about more than just myself.

None of you can refute the numbers I gave, none of you can argue and say they are good.

So instead I get stupidity and cool stories.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

View attachment 273276

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

View attachment 273293

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

 

[Faun]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

View attachment 273276

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

View attachment 273293

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

The past year lasted only 7 months??

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

View attachment 273276

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

View attachment 273293

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

The past year lasted only 7 months??

He cannot argue with my numbers so he cherry picking dates when the S&P did well and ignore the year it lost value.

 

[Indeependent]

How do our economic indicators look?

GDP growth...not good and heading the wrong way
View attachment 272446

The Markets...not good, stagnant...In the 557 days of the trade war this is how they have done...

DJI up 1.59% . An annual growth rate of 1.04%
S&P up 4.33%. An annual growth rate of 2.84%
NASDAQ up 12.56%. An annual growth rate of 8.23%
SmallCap 2000 down 3.99. An annual growth rate of -2.62

Trade Deficit...no better than when we started...
View attachment 272447

National Debt...very bad

$ 1,529,671,787,835 added to the National Debt. That is an annual rate of $1,004,878,813,861.

Employment...mixed bag.

UE rate from 4.1 to 3.7. Pretty good.
LFPR from 63% to 63%...no change

Cool story...
Pack a stadium with everyone who lost their careers and jobs and tell them how your life sucks.
But first make me the beneficiary of your life insurance policy.

You Trump worshipers are so damn confused. I provide nothing but cold hard facts and you call them stories and propaganda.

I have never said my life sucks, my life is awesome. Unlike you I care about more than just myself.

None of you can refute the numbers I gave, none of you can argue and say they are good.

So instead I get stupidity and cool stories.

So Libertarian of you to forget that it took 30+ years of economic cocaine to produce a nation of 98+% slaves laborers who we are supporting with our taxes.
Millions suffered many years from Reagan and now you’ll suffer a year or seeing the bullshit reversed and you’ll still collect your salary and benefits.

 

[DOTR]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

View attachment 273276

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

View attachment 273293

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

The past year lasted only 7 months??

He cannot argue with my numbers so he cherry picking dates when the S&P did well and ignore the year it lost value.

Liberals always project. You cherry picked your numbers and I made you gag on them (not a condition new to you.)
Knowing your cowardly ways I asked you BEFORE I posted them what was acceptable. Look back at the posts. I knew you would play games in your efforts to propagandize for the Chinese Communists so I asked you for specifics. Then I gave them to you. Then you went to huge contortions to try and spin it.
I knew what I was dealing with is why I asked.
So ill say it again,...spout all the propaganda you want. I can *see* what my balance is and how it has grown.

 

[DOTR]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



View attachment 273274

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

View attachment 273276

Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

View attachment 273293

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Liberals always project. You cherry picked your numbers and I made you gag on them (not a condition new to you.)
Knowing your cowardly ways I asked you BEFORE I posted them what was acceptable. Look back at the posts. I knew you would play games in your efforts to propagandize for the Chinese Communists so I asked you for specifics. Then I gave them to you. Then you went to huge contortions to try and spin it.
I knew what I was dealing with is why I asked.
So ill say it again,...spout all the propaganda you want. I can *see* what my balance is and how it has grown.
View attachment 273572

I did not cherry pick shit and my numbers are 100% accurate, you cannot deny that so you come up with this stupid bullshit.

The date I choose coincided with two things...Trump's first tariffs and the start of Trump's 2nd year.