Since the start of the Trade war...

[Harpy Eagle]

I have no idea what your 401k is tied to, provide the data and I will do it.

As for the S&P, since you brought it up...

The S&P opened on 22 Jan 2018 (the start of Trump's 2nd year in office and the day of his first tariffs) at 2809.16
Yesterday it closed at 2881.77.

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



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Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

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Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

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So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

you just started buying in 2018? That explains why you are so ignorant of the markets.

 

[DOTR]

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Well if I am willing to take a 52% loss first then of course your hero Obama looks better...being just 10% underwater is a 42% gain after something like that. But no not quite...you are misremembering thoise halycon days when your man was in the White House.

Liberals always project. You cherry picked your numbers and I made you gag on them (not a condition new to you.)
Knowing your cowardly ways I asked you BEFORE I posted them what was acceptable. Look back at the posts. I knew you would play games in your efforts to propagandize for the Chinese Communists so I asked you for specifics. Then I gave them to you. Then you went to huge contortions to try and spin it.
I knew what I was dealing with is why I asked.
So ill say it again,...spout all the propaganda you want. I can *see* what my balance is and how it has grown.
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I did not cherry pick shit and my numbers are 100% accurate, you cannot deny that so you come up with this stupid bullshit.

The date I choose coincided with two things...Trump's first tariffs and the start of Trump's 2nd year.

Sure you did. Not content with simply trying to explain to us how much better the communist system the Chinese have is you have moved on to the base goal for any liberal...propaganda aimed at depressing freedom. People who look out for themselves did well. Your job is to tell them they didnt. The Peoples Daily is doing the same thing.
A close second to the communists you admire are the American versions such a barack Hussein. A man who couldnt even get us back to the 2007 starting point of the stock market for years. But a propagandist like yourself would then take the opposite tack...people looking at their portfolio and saying "my God I have lost 8 years and still have the same balance" would have to listen to your relentless pro-socialist propaganda saying "nahhh you actually did great! ignore your balance for the party!"
Playing with numbers. You are like the communist propagandist who insisted his Olympic runner didnt lose the two man race but instead came in second. And then demanded proof that he didnt come in second. Thats what propaganda is.

 

[DOTR]

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

you just started buying in 2018? That explains why you are so ignorant of the markets.

Wait..."started"? Another example of your propaganda. (Even if I had I would be up but lets look at what I actually said.)

"Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice"

How low will you sink? Did you see "just started" anywhere in there? I am happy you did that so blatantly. Its what you do every post but usually a little more subtly. Its just what you are. A propagandist for the left.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well if I am willing to take a 52% loss first then of course your hero Obama looks better...being just 10% underwater is a 42% gain after something like that. But no not quite...you are misremembering thoise halycon days when your man was in the White House.
.

Nope, no fan of Obama at all, just pointing out the facts. Even with the S&P still dropping after he took office, it grew by 166.28% under Obama.

Those are the cold, hard facts. No emotion needed.

 

[DOTR]

Man am I glad the real world doesnt follow your socialist fantasies. Ill just keep smiling.



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Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

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Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

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So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

you just started buying in 2018? That explains why you are so ignorant of the markets.

So lets talk about your ignorance in investing. No wonder you are a failure. If you have kids (God help them) you would say "now the stock market only goes up kids. If it dips you lost money. It must only go up every day"
Your kids will be as big a losers as you are.
I explained top mine the principles of investing. The two oldest are already sitting on profits. And ive also warned them of your type...and to ignore you lot as best they can.

 

[DOTR]

Well if I am willing to take a 52% loss first then of course your hero Obama looks better...being just 10% underwater is a 42% gain after something like that. But no not quite...you are misremembering thoise halycon days when your man was in the White House.
.

Nope, no fan of Obama at all, just pointing out the facts. Even with the S&P still dropping after he took office, it grew by 166.28% under Obama.

Those are the cold, hard facts. No emotion needed.

The cold hard fact is that under obamas first two years American were underwater. In the red in the stock marker.
Cold hard fact.
Wait..how can there be two cold hard facts? Well the same way a communist can say he came in second in a two man race.
Keep up the weird accounting. maybe your social security will feed you.

And yes you are a fan of Obama. You spend your empty days cruising the net defending him. And his heirs. Its all you do. Its ALL you do.
Ill bet your wife has to say "relax for a second..nobody is attacking Obama right now" just to make you turn around.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Was the math too complicated for you?

S&P 500 Historical Rates - Investing.com

View attachment 273277

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Now show us the statement period for just the past year...I dare you. I bet it is only 1/4 of that 20%.

View attachment 273293

So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

you just started buying in 2018? That explains why you are so ignorant of the markets.

So lets talk about your ignorance in investing. No wonder you are a failure. If you have kids (God help them) you would say "now the stock market only goes up kids. If it dips you lost money. It must only go up every day"
Your kids will be as big a losers as you are.
I explained top mine the principles of investing. The two oldest are already sitting on profits. And ive also warned them of your type...and to ignore you lot as best they can.

Do not worry about me my little snowflake, I do just fine with my investments. This is not about individual investments, this is about overall market performance.

My kids are awesome, one is 24 has a nursing degree with zero college debt and has been an ER nurse for over a year now. The other is going into his senior year and already has his next step in his education laid out.

The wife and I taught them many lessons, one of the most important is not to worship any other human...then I show them post from you as an example of what worshiping the man sitting in the White House can do to a person.

They do enjoy mocking people like you, that I taught them also!

 

[DOTR]

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So you think your propaganda is powerful enough that I will look at my statement and somehow be convinced that I *havent* made out like a bandit? When I can see the difference in the balance?

This is called "magical thinking" Try it somewhere else son.

Or conversely you could say "ill bet you lost money between 11:57 AM and 3:30 PM on August 2nd" or some other artificial constraint.
Its why you leftists end your life with a sign demanding more government handouts.

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

you just started buying in 2018? That explains why you are so ignorant of the markets.

So lets talk about your ignorance in investing. No wonder you are a failure. If you have kids (God help them) you would say "now the stock market only goes up kids. If it dips you lost money. It must only go up every day"
Your kids will be as big a losers as you are.
I explained top mine the principles of investing. The two oldest are already sitting on profits. And ive also warned them of your type...and to ignore you lot as best they can.

Do not worry about me my little snowflake, I do just fine with my investments. This is not about individual investments, this is about overall market performance.

My kids are awesome, one is 24 has a nursing degree with zero college debt and has been an ER nurse for over a year now. The other is going into his senior year and already has his next step in his education laid out.

The wife and I taught them many lessons, one of the most important is not to worship any other human...then I show them post from you as an example of what worshiping the man sitting in the White House can do to a person.

They do enjoy mocking people like you, that I taught them also!

While worshiping Obama you taught them, that? LOL I doubt it? Your kids will fail because they dont understand investing. And they will have to support you because you dont.
Your type comes out of the woodwork on every stock market dip...and recedes when it recovers...to lick your wounds and hope for a future disaster.
Be sure and explain to them how much more robust communist systems are.

Overheard at the golfing gator household: "hey sis dads in a good mood..either the stock market is down or the Chicoms have scored some kind of victory"

 

[Harpy Eagle]

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The cold hard fact is that under obamas first two years American were underwater. In the red in the stock marker.
Cold hard fact.
Wait..how can there be two cold hard facts? Well the same way a communist can say he came in second in a two man race.
Keep up the weird accounting. maybe your social security will feed you.

Yes, those are the cold hard facts, and despite those facts the S&P still rose 166%. That includes all the losses those first two years.

And yes you are a fan of Obama. You spend your empty days cruising the net defending him. And his heirs. Its all you do. Its ALL you do.
Ill bet your wife has to say "relax for a second..nobody is attacking Obama right now" just to make you turn around.

I have never defended Obama, never even said a good thing about the man.

All I defend are facts and truth.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Well if I am willing to take a 52% loss first then of course your hero Obama looks better...being just 10% underwater is a 42% gain after something like that. But no not quite...you are misremembering thoise halycon days when your man was in the White House.
.

Nope, no fan of Obama at all, just pointing out the facts. Even with the S&P still dropping after he took office, it grew by 166.28% under Obama.

Those are the cold, hard facts. No emotion needed.

The cold hard fact is that under obamas first two years American were underwater. In the red in the stock marker.
Cold hard fact.
Wait..how can there be two cold hard facts? Well the same way a communist can say he came in second in a two man race.
Keep up the weird accounting. maybe your social security will feed you.

And yes you are a fan of Obama. You spend your empty days cruising the net defending him. And his heirs. Its all you do. Its ALL you do.
Ill bet your wife has to say "relax for a second..nobody is attacking Obama right now" just to make you turn around.

Yes, it was called The Great Recession, and Obama inherited it, he didn't invent it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Where is your RoR for 2018? The S&P lost more than 6% in 2018...

I would also bet you that you had a higher RoR at this point under the Obama admin than you do now.

Good thing I didnt retire in 2018 isnt it? I bought in 2018. Feels nice.

you just started buying in 2018? That explains why you are so ignorant of the markets.

So lets talk about your ignorance in investing. No wonder you are a failure. If you have kids (God help them) you would say "now the stock market only goes up kids. If it dips you lost money. It must only go up every day"
Your kids will be as big a losers as you are.
I explained top mine the principles of investing. The two oldest are already sitting on profits. And ive also warned them of your type...and to ignore you lot as best they can.

Do not worry about me my little snowflake, I do just fine with my investments. This is not about individual investments, this is about overall market performance.

My kids are awesome, one is 24 has a nursing degree with zero college debt and has been an ER nurse for over a year now. The other is going into his senior year and already has his next step in his education laid out.

The wife and I taught them many lessons, one of the most important is not to worship any other human...then I show them post from you as an example of what worshiping the man sitting in the White House can do to a person.

They do enjoy mocking people like you, that I taught them also!

While worshiping Obama you taught them, that? LOL I doubt it? Your kids will fail because they dont understand investing. And they will have to support you because you dont.
Your type comes out of the woodwork on every stock market dip...and recedes when it recovers...to lick your wounds and hope for a future disaster.
Be sure and explain to them how much more robust communist systems are.

Overheard at the golfing gator household: "hey sis dads in a good mood..either the stock market is down or the Chicoms have scored some kind of victory"

You are so cute when you try and get personal, I can see I touched a nerve.

 

[DOTR]

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The cold hard fact is that under obamas first two years American were underwater. In the red in the stock marker.
Cold hard fact.
Wait..how can there be two cold hard facts? Well the same way a communist can say he came in second in a two man race.
Keep up the weird accounting. maybe your social security will feed you.

Yes, those are the cold hard facts, and despite those facts the S&P still rose 166%. That includes all the losses those first two years.

And yes you are a fan of Obama. You spend your empty days cruising the net defending him. And his heirs. Its all you do. Its ALL you do.
Ill bet your wife has to say "relax for a second..nobody is attacking Obama right now" just to make you turn around.

I have never defended Obama, never even said a good thing about the man.

All I defend are facts and truth.

Your life is consumed with defending Obama. Well less the ten per cent defending AOC. Hillarys defeat was a blow to you that you only temporarily recover from when something bad seems to be happening to Americans.
Learn to lose.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Your life is consumed with defending Obama. Well less the ten per cent defending AOC. Hillarys defeat was a blow to you that you only temporarily recover from when something bad seems to be happening to Americans.
Learn to lose.

Poor little snowflake, you try so hard yet you could not find a single post from me defending Obama or AOC. I defend Trump far more than I ever did Obama.

 

[DOTR]

Yes, it was called The Great Recession, and Obama inherited it, he didn't invent it.

Yes it was. It was painful to be in the stock market then. Even with huge rate cuts and four QEs it took years for the Obama economy just to pull even with 2007.
And we still havent paid the full price.
Great recessions just happen though. Nobodys fault. And a good time to further socialize the economy.
Ever heard of "Financial Repression". It was the stated goal of the Obama administration. And it didnt work...unless you equate the stock market with the economy. Which liberals do.

Financial repression - Wikipedia

 

[DOTR]

Your life is consumed with defending Obama. Well less the ten per cent defending AOC. Hillarys defeat was a blow to you that you only temporarily recover from when something bad seems to be happening to Americans.
Learn to lose.

Poor little snowflake, you try so hard yet you could not find a single post from me defending Obama or AOC. I defend Trump far more than I ever did Obama.

Isnt your life full. But no..you dont. Hillary was defeated and you've been a bit unbalanced since.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Yes, it was called The Great Recession, and Obama inherited it, he didn't invent it.

Yes it was. It was painful to be in the stock market then. Even with huge rate cuts and four QEs it took years for the Obama economy just to pull even with 2007.
And we still havent paid the full price.

Tax revenues tumbled, unlike in lesser recessions, and the housing boom stole years of growth from the future. Residential construction is a reliable driver of the domestic economy, and the housing crash left 17 million empty houses in America. QE was a necessary boost, in the face of a GOP Congress whose main priority was making O a one-term president. Without the rate cuts and QE, it would have taken years longer.

 

[DOTR]

Yes, it was called The Great Recession, and Obama inherited it, he didn't invent it.

Yes it was. It was painful to be in the stock market then. Even with huge rate cuts and four QEs it took years for the Obama economy just to pull even with 2007.
And we still havent paid the full price.

Tax revenues tumbled, unlike in lesser recessions, and the housing boom stole years of growth from the future. Residential construction is a reliable driver of the domestic economy, and the housing crash left 17 million empty houses in America. QE was a necessary boost, in the face of a GOP Congress whose main priority was making O a one-term president. Without the rate cuts and QE, it would have taken years longer.

I think the rate cuts and QE delayed the recovery. But who will ever know now. G Bush warned what...17 times that a housing crash was coming? And the Democrats sad he was a racist who didnt want blacks to own homes.
QE was quite unnecessary. The recession was an excuse to impose more government on the economy.
Or does it normally take ten plus years for interest rates to normalize after a recession?
"Never let a crisis go to waste" right?

 

[DOTR]

Yes, it was called The Great Recession, and Obama inherited it, he didn't invent it.

Yes it was. It was painful to be in the stock market then. Even with huge rate cuts and four QEs it took years for the Obama economy just to pull even with 2007.
And we still havent paid the full price.

Tax revenues tumbled, unlike in lesser recessions, and the housing boom stole years of growth from the future. Residential construction is a reliable driver of the domestic economy, and the housing crash left 17 million empty houses in America. QE was a necessary boost, in the face of a GOP Congress whose main priority was making O a one-term president. Without the rate cuts and QE, it would have taken years longer.

How about the part financial repression played in it? Would you ignore that part? Pension funds are still underwater ten years later.
If only Barrack Hussein had been a one term president...if only. Back to Kenya with him.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Yes, it was called The Great Recession, and Obama inherited it, he didn't invent it.

Yes it was. It was painful to be in the stock market then. Even with huge rate cuts and four QEs it took years for the Obama economy just to pull even with 2007.
And we still havent paid the full price.

Tax revenues tumbled, unlike in lesser recessions, and the housing boom stole years of growth from the future. Residential construction is a reliable driver of the domestic economy, and the housing crash left 17 million empty houses in America. QE was a necessary boost, in the face of a GOP Congress whose main priority was making O a one-term president. Without the rate cuts and QE, it would have taken years longer.

I think the rate cuts and QE delayed the recovery. But who will ever know now. G Bush warned what...17 times that a housing crash was coming? And the Democrats sad he was a racist who didnt want blacks to own homes.
QE was quite unnecessary. The recession was an excuse to impose more government on the economy.
Or does it normally take ten plus years for interest rates to normalize after a recession?
"Never let a crisis go to waste" right?

The greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression wasn't a run-of-the-mill recession.

Blah, blah on the housing crash.

 

[DOTR]

Barney frank on why there will never be a housing crisis...in 2005!