Single Payer Healthcare = Raise Standard of Living & Liberty

[Dystopia]

Who rebuilt Japan and Germany ?

The United States of America did rebuilt Japan and Germany, and United States of America just placed in on the national debt of the United States of America then to pay higher federal taxes during the 1940’s and the 1950’s. Since the 1960’s, Japan and Germany have purchased Treasury Bills of the United States of America because of that increase of the national debt of the United States of America. So, the United States of America rebuilt Japan and Germany and we have only been servicing the interest of that rebuilding to Japan and Germany since the 1960’s. That makes Japan and Germany making money with interest payments of the rebuilding of their countries by the United States of America. Interesting, but we got into this mess because we want to have low taxes. As it looks like Japan and Germany got a win win with the United States of America wanting low taxes.

 

[Dystopia]

I get it....You're being dense on purpose.

Our rights don't come from gubmint...They pre-exist those overdressed street thugs, and the protection of which are their only reason that they're in office.

If you want to be a subject, there are plenty of other places you can go live.

Fine, I will give you a victory with your education. If you told me you received a public education from Alabama I would believe you.

 

[Oddball]

Whatever, tovarich.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yeah, right.

When has any full-blown monopoly on anything resulted in lower prices, more efficient service and the more freedom for anyone?

Dude.....did you miss the thread on the Post Office?........it was rather enlightening if i do say so myself......

 

[Old Rocks]

Yeah, right.

When has any full-blown monopoly on anything resulted in lower prices, more efficient service and the more freedom for anyone?

Just in every other industrial nation in the world. Japan pays 1/2 of what we do per capita, and they cover all of their citizens. Not only that, they also have the longest lived people in the world, have much healthier old people, and their infant and childhood mortality rate is far lower.

They go to the doctor they chose, see a specialist without having a doctor as a gatekeeper, and their delivery of service is quicker than ours.

Why do you people continue to ignore the fact that our present system is a failure? We pay twice as much, do not cover 15% of our citizens, and have lower longevity, less healthy old ages, and a far higher infant mortality and early childhood mortality than most other industrial nations. In fact, lower in all these things than even tiny Costa Rica, which has 1/10 the individual income of the US, but has had Universal Health Care for 60 years.

 

[Old Rocks]

Neither of those 'benefits' has happened anywhere in the world with single payer. Therefore, your conclusion is, basically, crap.

You should go to the United Kingdom, as they have a national healthcare without anyone being charged walking out of the hospital. In fact, the United Kingdom has a higher standard of living then the United States of America. In fact, Germany and Japan that lost World War II to the United States of America after being destroyed and invaded and occupied by the United States of America has a national healthcare and a higher standard of living then we do.

In fact, I would rather live in a country that lost World War II then being in a country that won World War II.

Who rebuilt Japan and Germany ?

And who is so stupid that they cannot see that these nations have had some good ideas since then.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah, right.

When has any full-blown monopoly on anything resulted in lower prices, more efficient service and the more freedom for anyone?

Just in every other industrial nation in the world. Japan pays 1/2 of what we do per capita, and they cover all of their citizens. Not only that, they also have the longest lived people in the world, have much healthier old people, and their infant and childhood mortality rate is far lower.

They go to the doctor they chose, see a specialist without having a doctor as a gatekeeper, and their delivery of service is quicker than ours.

Why do you people continue to ignore the fact that our present system is a failure? We pay twice as much, do not cover 15% of our citizens, and have lower longevity, less healthy old ages, and a far higher infant mortality and early childhood mortality than most other industrial nations. In fact, lower in all these things than even tiny Costa Rica, which has 1/10 the individual income of the US, but has had Universal Health Care for 60 years.

The move the fuck to Japan or Costa Rica.

Problem solved.

 

[KittenKoder]

Yeah, right.

When has any full-blown monopoly on anything resulted in lower prices, more efficient service and the more freedom for anyone?

Just in every other industrial nation in the world. Japan pays 1/2 of what we do per capita, and they cover all of their citizens. Not only that, they also have the longest lived people in the world, have much healthier old people, and their infant and childhood mortality rate is far lower.

They go to the doctor they chose, see a specialist without having a doctor as a gatekeeper, and their delivery of service is quicker than ours.

Why do you people continue to ignore the fact that our present system is a failure? We pay twice as much, do not cover 15% of our citizens, and have lower longevity, less healthy old ages, and a far higher infant mortality and early childhood mortality than most other industrial nations. In fact, lower in all these things than even tiny Costa Rica, which has 1/10 the individual income of the US, but has had Universal Health Care for 60 years.

Wha-wha-what!!!!

Dodging the question like that ... that's sad, really it is. Japanese doesn't have "socialized" healthcare, what they have isn't even close to what our government has been proposing. They pay lower prices because their professionals pay less in fees and licensing to become medical practitioners, period.

 

[California Girl]

Neither of those 'benefits' has happened anywhere in the world with single payer. Therefore, your conclusion is, basically, crap.

You should go to the United Kingdom, as they have a national healthcare without anyone being charged walking out of the hospital. In fact, the United Kingdom has a higher standard of living then the United States of America. In fact, Germany and Japan that lost World War II to the United States of America after being destroyed and invaded and occupied by the United States of America has a national healthcare and a higher standard of living then we do.

In fact, I would rather live in a country that lost World War II then being in a country that won World War II.

Should I? Should I really?

*Looks around. Shocked*

Holy Fuck! I am in the United Kingdom. I pay their 'National Insurance', AND I'm smart enough to have private insurance. Recently, I needed treatment - I checked their 'NHS', would take me months to get treatment. Using private, I had the treatment done within a week.

The NHS is 'free at point of delivery'.... but the system is overloaded, I pay for other people to have IVF treatment (how the fuck is that a medical necessity?), gender reassignment (how the fuck is that a medical necessity?), and all kinds of crap. People die because they can't get drugs that are freely available in the US. Don't tell me about single payer systems - I live with the nightmare of it.... which I why I pay for it, and have insurance so I don't have to use it.

Your stupid 'benefits' have no basis in reality.

 

[Dystopia]

California Girl, would not universal healthcare liberate women from being in a loveless marriage for the sake of having her husband having healthcare, as some husbands beat their wives and the reason she stays with him is his healthcare. If she had healthcare, would she feel liberated to leave her husband.

 

[California Girl]

California Girl, would not universal healthcare liberate women from being in a loveless marriage for the sake of having her husband having healthcare, as some husbands beat their wives and the reason she stays with him is his healthcare. If she had healthcare, would she feel liberated to leave her husband.

No.

 

[Maple]

Why so many people are upset with the idea of a National Single Payer Healthcare? Some would say it is a national takeover of healthcare. Some would say it would increase taxes. Fine, it is a national takeover of healthcare and my taxes would increase: so the tradeoff I would always have healthcare for the rest of my life.

Let us think about the possible benefit with a Single Payer Healthcare with my wages with my employer or possible employer. With someone working or not working, everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare. Therefore, someone that is making thousands of dollars or working at McDonalds have the same level of healthcare.

Right now, people stay with their employer because they cannot afford to lose their company insurance policy. Right now, women that are in a loveless marriage feel they have to stay with their husband because of their husbands company insurance. If everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare Insurance, everyone has more liberated to quit their job to venture to a new employer or become self employed that only creates new business and employment. If everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare Insurance, women and with some men, will feel they have greater liberty to get a divorce.

Therefore, a Single Payer Healthcare System would increase LIBERTY and increase the Standard of Living because employers would have to increase wages to keep their workers from leaving or starting their own business.

Did you happen to notice how the stimulus bill is working??? The feds spent 18 million designing a web page to show how many jobs were created or "saved". They counted jobs that came from congressional districts that DON'T exist. They also counted new jobs created from county's that did NOT recieve any stimulus money and somehow you believe that they could efficiently run 6% of our economy. I think not.

Government run healthcare= will have the compassion of the IRS, the efficiency of the postal service and will look like the aftermath of Katrina, but you can go ahead and dream onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

 

[Maple]

Why so many people are upset with the idea of a National Single Payer Healthcare? Some would say it is a national takeover of healthcare. Some would say it would increase taxes. Fine, it is a national takeover of healthcare and my taxes would increase: so the tradeoff I would always have healthcare for the rest of my life.

Let us think about the possible benefit with a Single Payer Healthcare with my wages with my employer or possible employer. With someone working or not working, everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare. Therefore, someone that is making thousands of dollars or working at McDonalds have the same level of healthcare.

Right now, people stay with their employer because they cannot afford to lose their company insurance policy. Right now, women that are in a loveless marriage feel they have to stay with their husband because of their husbands company insurance. If everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare Insurance, everyone has more liberated to quit their job to venture to a new employer or become self employed that only creates new business and employment. If everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare Insurance, women and with some men, will feel they have greater liberty to get a divorce.

Therefore, a Single Payer Healthcare System would increase LIBERTY and increase the Standard of Living because employers would have to increase wages to keep their workers from leaving or starting their own business.

Ooooooh this is soooooooooooooooooo funny I just could not resist. From the above post.

Therefore, a Single Payer Healthcare System would increase LIBERTY and increase the Standard of Living because employers would have to increase wages to keep their workers from leaving or starting their own business.
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No one will have a job when this plan is implemented, because small and large business will be taxed an 8% payroll tax for insurance, thereby causing more and more unemployment, business's will not be able to expand and grow. This will limit growth and limit LIBERTY.

Liberal posts are thoroughly entertaining, they are hilarious, they are so non-sensical that they are amusing. No common sense what-so-ever. The more you tax business the more it restricts their growth and expansion, the more they have to lay - off people to survive. Dream oonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn though and I look forward to seeing more of your posts.

 

[California Girl]

Why so many people are upset with the idea of a National Single Payer Healthcare? Some would say it is a national takeover of healthcare. Some would say it would increase taxes. Fine, it is a national takeover of healthcare and my taxes would increase: so the tradeoff I would always have healthcare for the rest of my life.

Let us think about the possible benefit with a Single Payer Healthcare with my wages with my employer or possible employer. With someone working or not working, everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare. Therefore, someone that is making thousands of dollars or working at McDonalds have the same level of healthcare.

Right now, people stay with their employer because they cannot afford to lose their company insurance policy. Right now, women that are in a loveless marriage feel they have to stay with their husband because of their husbands company insurance. If everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare Insurance, everyone has more liberated to quit their job to venture to a new employer or become self employed that only creates new business and employment. If everyone has a Single Payer Healthcare Insurance, women and with some men, will feel they have greater liberty to get a divorce.

Therefore, a Single Payer Healthcare System would increase LIBERTY and increase the Standard of Living because employers would have to increase wages to keep their workers from leaving or starting their own business.

Ooooooh this is soooooooooooooooooo funny I just could not resist. From the above post.

Therefore, a Single Payer Healthcare System would increase LIBERTY and increase the Standard of Living because employers would have to increase wages to keep their workers from leaving or starting their own business.
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No one will have a job when this plan is implemented, because small and large business will be taxed an 8% payroll tax for insurance, thereby causing more and more unemployment, business's will not be able to expand and grow. This will limit growth and limit LIBERTY.

Liberal posts are thoroughly entertaining, they are hilarious, they are so non-sensical that they are amusing. No common sense what-so-ever. The more you tax business the more it restricts their growth and expansion, the more they have to lay - off people to survive. Dream oonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn though and I look forward to seeing more of your posts.

Do bear in mind that the OP also states that the UK enjoys a higher standard of living than the USA....... I think this can best be summed up as 'WTF'!!! The OP clearly has experience of living in a parallel universe where what he states is real. Of course, this parallel universe may be a figment of an overly drug affected imagination.

 

[typicalLefty]

no matter how much it costs, we need universal health insurance because too many people make bad choices for themselves and do not get insurance, costing all of us. If everyone had insurance, noone could make bad decisions about cverage. We need to save pe

 

[California Girl]

no matter how much it costs, we need universal health insurance because too many people make bad choices for themselves and do not get insurance, costing all of us. If everyone had insurance, noone could make bad decisions about cverage. We need to save pe

If people want to make bad choices, that is their choice. You do not have any right to tell someone else how to live. Just like I have no right to tell someone else how to live. That is because we are Americans, we live a 'free' country - or at least we did. So fuck off and live however you choose to live and I will live how I choose. Otherwise we are not free. There is a price to pay for freedom. That price is that not everyone will want to live like you do. That's the trouble with fucking liberals, they think they have some right to tell the rest of us what to do. You are wrong. Live with it.

Also, we can't fucking afford it you jackass.

 

[Harry Dresden]

California Girl, would not universal healthcare liberate women from being in a loveless marriage for the sake of having her husband having healthcare, as some husbands beat their wives and the reason she stays with him is his healthcare. If she had healthcare, would she feel liberated to leave her husband.

i think it goes a little deeper than that.....thats just one of the reasons.....

 

[Old Rocks]

no matter how much it costs, we need universal health insurance because too many people make bad choices for themselves and do not get insurance, costing all of us. If everyone had insurance, noone could make bad decisions about cverage. We need to save pe

If people want to make bad choices, that is their choice. You do not have any right to tell someone else how to live. Just like I have no right to tell someone else how to live. That is because we are Americans, we live a 'free' country - or at least we did. So fuck off and live however you choose to live and I will live how I choose. Otherwise we are not free. There is a price to pay for freedom. That price is that not everyone will want to live like you do. That's the trouble with fucking liberals, they think they have some right to tell the rest of us what to do. You are wrong. Live with it.

Also, we can't fucking afford it you jackass.

What do you mean, can't afford it? We could afford the jerkoff war with Iraq. That is about three trillion down the drain when all is said and done. But we cannot afford health care for our citizens?

You dingbat Conservatives have been on the wrong side of history on Social Security, Medicare, and the new GI Bill. You are on the wrong side of history on the issue of Health Care. And you will pay for it at the polls.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Yeah, right.

When has any full-blown monopoly on anything resulted in lower prices, more efficient service and the more freedom for anyone?

How many homeless old and disabled people would be on the streets without the single payer, government run insurance bureaucracy we commonly call Social Security?

(Running at an efficiency of just 1.2%, compared to private insurance at 22% - 25%, too I might add.)

 

[AVG-JOE]

Get real....The two are nowhere near analogous.

And the Fed money monopoly is, to a great extent, responsible for the financial mess we're currently in.

If you cannot come up with better examples, we'll just assume you don't have any.

Better examples, every time in the history of the republic that an increase in universal rights or universal benefits to the American citizens and others within the United States of American has increased personal liberty.

The first ten amendments, the civil war amendments, Amendment 17 with the election of Senators by popular vote, Amendment 19 with the Women’s Suffrage, the Amendment 23 with the Presidential vote for the District of Columbia, Amendment 24 with the Poll Tax being banned and Amendment 26 with the voting age set at eighteen years of age. Even the acts of Congress, with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act with other actions of Congress of the United States of America to increase Liberty.

The federal government is not evil, as it has checks and balances with the people during the time of a election. You say the monetary system with the money is in a mess. Well then, since it is run by the government then vote or run for political office. Now if the monetary system is run by a business or businesses then you cannot vote or do anything.

The only thing inherently evil about the way in which we are governed is the evolution of a system that pretends democracy but has become so cumbersome that citizens with control of more resources have a bigger voice in it than average citizens.

One thing a single payer, government run health insurance bureaucracy would accomplish is that it would go a long way toward neutering the various health care lobbies that are vying for control of congress.