SNAP (food stamps) should be restricted to rice, flour, rolled oats, and sugar

[danielpalos]

Fuck them and their sleep. I want them to get a job.

Would you hire a black illiterate ex-con who you know is gonna steal from the company first chance he gets?

that happens regardless; and may happen less at fifteen dollars an hour; compare that to the cost of white collar crime.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I buy two dollar steaks all the fucking time. They are cheap round steaks, and they are marked down 75% because they are about to expire, but I throw them in the freezer until I'm ready to eat them.

As I said with your meal, you have to look at the initial cost of buying the cumin and the black pepper because you aren't buying just the little bit that you are using each time, and that effects the cost. So yes, I am saying you are a liar about that. You can not start from scratch with no ingredients, and go out and buy all the stuff you need to make your meal for $10.

How much cumin do you think it takes to make that meal? A fucking cup?

You can't go to the supermarket and buy a teaspoon of cumin. Well, at our best hardware store that sells bulk spices, maybe.

For a bag of Cumin it is $.94 at HEB for the Mexican brand.

Why is it so hard for people to shop!?!

I don't know what HEB is, but I want one.

Yeah I have no idea what HEB is, but where I live for a small thing of cumin you are talking $2-3. And that's a tiny little plastic shaker of it.

Yeah, cumin's pretty expensive, unless you find it at the dollar store or something. Fortunately, it's such a strong spice, you use very little of it at a given time. I'm lucky, in that I live close to Mexico, so my options are expanded. Instead of having to buy a shaker of it for $6, which I'm never going to use up before it goes stale, I can buy small plastic pouches of a much smaller amount for less, and simply put it in my own container.

 

[jasonnfree]

Well, here is one of the issues where I split with the conservatives. I am all for helping our poor people here in our own country. I can understand the concern that people will become dependent upon government/taxpayer resources, but in order to be a successful country you have to take care of your poor people.

It's less about taking care of the poor people than it is people freely abusing the system. Democrats love when people abuse the system because those people will likely vote Democrat. Simple observation at your grocery store (if you have a lot of SNAP's customers there) is what angers most of us.

It also discourages people from getting work and trying to get ahead. The last people I threw out of one of my apartments was due to the lazy mom who didn't want to get a job because income would interfere with her benefits. I had to take two days off of work for court to get them out of here. Without SNAP's, she would have had no choice but to get a job and perhaps keep their apartment.

I've seen a lot of the things you've seen with the poor, but I think food stamps and other such programs, are what keep many kids from going hungry, like in the times of Dicken's England. And if we're going to go hard core against the poor, let's go after some of the wealthy welfare bums too. None of the wall streeters and bankers who have committed crimes, have gone to jail. None.

If you're referring to the housing crisis, I do believe that yes, people went to jail. But even if they didn't, it has nothing do to with social programs.

If we need SNAP's to feed poor children, fine with me, but we should also make sure they don't keep having children to get more benefits.

I agree with your sentiment, but how can we prevent people from having children?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I still see huge labor pool eating FREE at jail. They need to work 24-7 to help cut costs. There has to be a win-win way to use these criminals. Why should they lift dead weight? They get hot food delivered?. Yet we expect "moochers" to cook from scratch? Dont seem right? Maybe this is not fixable?

Can't speak for excessively liberal states, but I can assure you that there's nothing enviable or resentable about the "food" Arizona is feeding its incarcerated population. Keeps them alive, keeps them basically nourished, and that's about all you can say for it. Which is just the way I like it.

Also, we make use of our incarcerated population - aside from those who simply aren't safe to ever let venture out - in public space cleanup and maintenance.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, here is one of the issues where I split with the conservatives. I am all for helping our poor people here in our own country. I can understand the concern that people will become dependent upon government/taxpayer resources, but in order to be a successful country you have to take care of your poor people.

It's less about taking care of the poor people than it is people freely abusing the system. Democrats love when people abuse the system because those people will likely vote Democrat. Simple observation at your grocery store (if you have a lot of SNAP's customers there) is what angers most of us.

It also discourages people from getting work and trying to get ahead. The last people I threw out of one of my apartments was due to the lazy mom who didn't want to get a job because income would interfere with her benefits. I had to take two days off of work for court to get them out of here. Without SNAP's, she would have had no choice but to get a job and perhaps keep their apartment.

I've seen a lot of the things you've seen with the poor, but I think food stamps and other such programs, are what keep many kids from going hungry, like in the times of Dicken's England. And if we're going to go hard core against the poor, let's go after some of the wealthy welfare bums too. None of the wall streeters and bankers who have committed crimes, have gone to jail. None.

If you're referring to the housing crisis, I do believe that yes, people went to jail. But even if they didn't, it has nothing do to with social programs.

If we need SNAP's to feed poor children, fine with me, but we should also make sure they don't keep having children to get more benefits.

I agree with your sentiment, but how can we prevent people from having children?

stop paying them for having more children; offer an option to go on unemployment compensation, simply for being unemployed.

if they have children, then they would need welfare.

anyone preferring unemployment compensation to welfare would be a savings and lower our tax burden; while enabling potential labor to more actively look for work.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, here is one of the issues where I split with the conservatives. I am all for helping our poor people here in our own country. I can understand the concern that people will become dependent upon government/taxpayer resources, but in order to be a successful country you have to take care of your poor people.

It's less about taking care of the poor people than it is people freely abusing the system. Democrats love when people abuse the system because those people will likely vote Democrat. Simple observation at your grocery store (if you have a lot of SNAP's customers there) is what angers most of us.

It also discourages people from getting work and trying to get ahead. The last people I threw out of one of my apartments was due to the lazy mom who didn't want to get a job because income would interfere with her benefits. I had to take two days off of work for court to get them out of here. Without SNAP's, she would have had no choice but to get a job and perhaps keep their apartment.

I've seen a lot of the things you've seen with the poor, but I think food stamps and other such programs, are what keep many kids from going hungry, like in the times of Dicken's England. And if we're going to go hard core against the poor, let's go after some of the wealthy welfare bums too. None of the wall streeters and bankers who have committed crimes, have gone to jail. None.

If you're referring to the housing crisis, I do believe that yes, people went to jail. But even if they didn't, it has nothing do to with social programs.

If we need SNAP's to feed poor children, fine with me, but we should also make sure they don't keep having children to get more benefits.

I agree with your sentiment, but how can we prevent people from having children?

As I stated earlier, if you apply for assistance, you don't get one dime until you are fixed first.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, here is one of the issues where I split with the conservatives. I am all for helping our poor people here in our own country. I can understand the concern that people will become dependent upon government/taxpayer resources, but in order to be a successful country you have to take care of your poor people.

It's less about taking care of the poor people than it is people freely abusing the system. Democrats love when people abuse the system because those people will likely vote Democrat. Simple observation at your grocery store (if you have a lot of SNAP's customers there) is what angers most of us.

It also discourages people from getting work and trying to get ahead. The last people I threw out of one of my apartments was due to the lazy mom who didn't want to get a job because income would interfere with her benefits. I had to take two days off of work for court to get them out of here. Without SNAP's, she would have had no choice but to get a job and perhaps keep their apartment.

I've seen a lot of the things you've seen with the poor, but I think food stamps and other such programs, are what keep many kids from going hungry, like in the times of Dicken's England. And if we're going to go hard core against the poor, let's go after some of the wealthy welfare bums too. None of the wall streeters and bankers who have committed crimes, have gone to jail. None.

If you're referring to the housing crisis, I do believe that yes, people went to jail. But even if they didn't, it has nothing do to with social programs.

If we need SNAP's to feed poor children, fine with me, but we should also make sure they don't keep having children to get more benefits.

I agree with your sentiment, but how can we prevent people from having children?

As I stated earlier, if you apply for assistance, you don't get one dime until you are fixed first.

why care what the poor do or don't do for their money; you don't want the poor to care about how much the rich make or work for their money.

 

[Iceweasel]

Trump supporters are starting to sound more and more like little Hitlers every day.

Hitler was a socialist and anti-gun. Who does that sound like.?

It sounds like the fucking dumbass people that think forcing people to get fixed from having kids in order to eat is a good idea.

It's stupid to rob your neighbor and make him pay for you to sit on your ass and crank out more babies. You calling someone a dumbass is rich.

No, what is stupid is to hold a grudge and be hateful to 95 families because five people are gaming the food assistance programs. That is what investigations since the Reagan years have shown us. The level of fraud in these programs is between 3 and 5 percent. So, you want to make the children in 95 families suffer because you have or had or imagine a neighbor is gaming the system. If only one child in those families or one senior requires an inpatient hospital visit for a nutrition based illness it will cost ten or probably one hundred times the amount it cost to feed your neighbor.

A few months of not have a nutrition and food assistance programs would fill our hospitals to overflowing and cost billions in medical cost. Our option would be to let kids and old folks die from lack of medical attention. That would be stupid. Health and well-being are the pragmatic economic reasons the programs exist. Forget about morals and ethics, religion and decency, the purely economic factors dictate a pragmatic response to hunger among the poor and needy.

No, what is stupid is to lie and claim someone is holding a grudge and being hateful because they understand how destructive your Marxist policies are.

 

[OldLady]

Yes, I think they care if I eat. About a month ago, I reported on another thread that the line at our food bank was getting longer and longer (I live in a rural area with very high unemployment). I discovered in the paper this morning why that is: SNAP was cut off to 10,000 eligible Mainers if they didn't work or volunteer. But here the opportunities to work or volunteer are not available. Great move toward self sufficiency and saving tax payers from benefits fraud--but guess what -- THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL HUNGRY.
We are beginning to experience more theft like laptops getting lifted from cars in parking lots and packages left by the UPS man getting stolen. People are desperate. This is what happens.

Okay, so they don't want to enroll in a vocational program. They don't want (or can't get) a job. They don't want to volunteer 20 hours a month. I don't think that's asking all that much to receive taxpayer dollars to buy food.

So they look for the next effortless freebie which is food banks. Even if one can't go to school for some reason or get a part-time job, volunteer work is not that hard to find. Nursing homes, hospitals, homeless shelters and so on are all looking for any kind of free help they can get.

Most of those people dropped out of the SNAP's program. It doesn't seem to me they were all that hungry after all. If there absolutely no jobs available in your area, then it's time to move the hell out of there. I haven't been to one McDonald's that's not looking for workers over here.

A lot of Maine is doing fine. We are one of the counties that is far above the national and even state unemployment average because of rapid decline in paper mills and associated lumbering. We have two hospitals.. Only a handful of nursing homes left (reduction in state payments to Medicare have forced the closure of many in the past few years). There is no public transportation system to get people from Point A to Point B. The county seat doesn't even have a taxi. We have no homeless shelters. The places the State approves for volunteering are full up and many of the folks on welfare have extremely low academic skills -- they are nowhere near ready for a training program. The obstacles to being productive, contributing members of the community are a lot more complex, sometimes deep rooted, and harder to fix than most folks here understand. It is not an overnight or even a one-term "fix" to resolve. Yes, there are people who are very crafty and skilled at milking the system for every cent they can get, but I can only think of one, out of the many, many, I have known, who would easily transition to work if she were forced.
I don't like laziness anymore than you do and I hate the defeated mess that generations of welfare have imposed on entire generations of the poor. But it is not just laziness that prevents people from working and they are not you and me, born with the brains and the luck to be given the opportunity to learn a strong work ethic.
Anyway, I'm rambling, but it's not so simple as you think. There are programs here that are trying to chip away at some of the obstacles, but it is slow and the funding doesn't come close to matching the need. Some of these folks can't be "saved," no matter what you do. So you have to make a decision. Do you leave them hungry or feed them so they're not breaking into your home or squatting in your summer cottage for the winter, stealing and dealing drugs to eat? I guess it's your choice, but you should know what you're actually up against before you decide. And right now it sounds as if you don't.

The same exact words the left was using when Welfare Reform was in debate: more crime, more murders, more homeless and so on. Yet for the most part, Welfare Reform proved to be a very successful program. The people that were about to get kicked off of their social programs got a job instead.

I've never been to Maine and don't know much about it other than what I read. So why don't you tell me the name of your city or town, and I'll go to CraigsList and look to see if there are any available jobs in the area. I'm willing to bet that I will find at least some jobs that people could do in order to keep their SNAP's benefits coming. And I'd like to see some evidence that there is no available volunteer work available. I find that hard to believe since you can't get enough volunteers for any kind of work. The more the merrier.

As for these people that rely on public transportation, why are they living out there if they can't drive? And if they can't get somewhere to work or volunteer, how are they getting to the stores to spend their SNAP's card?

You are keeping your ears plugged so your opinion doesn't have to change. I have no reason or inclination to tell you anything that isn't true, but you can continue to question what I'm telling you if you wish.
I'm offering you a different perspective, one based on years of social work and teaching that put me into daily contact with folks in the welfare boat.
Some of your questions are laughably naive. If you ever feel like actually learning what the issues are, let me know.

I know you about as much as you know me, so why should I take your word for it? I'm looking for evidence because I can't believe there are places in the country where there are absolutely no jobs of any kind and no volunteer work to boot. To me it sounds like excuses because the real problem is people just want to sit home collecting benefits. It's not just country folk either. We have tens of thousands of the same kind of people right here in the city.

Well, I could give you more specifics if I was willing to tell you and everyone else on this board where I live, which I'm not willing to do. Sorry.

 

[Iceweasel]

Why not leave the poor the fuck alone?

And while you're at it let them smoke pot so they can go to sleep feeling a little better.

Fuck them and their sleep. I want them to get a job.

the right is all talk and no action.

let's have a War on Capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, so the right has a good excuse to get more national and more social in their public policies.

Where have you been? The left has declared war on capitalism since long ago. Lowering taxes and regulations are all talk to you?

 

[NLT]

Poor people rarely have the kitchen supplies and utensils and counter space needed to cook from scratch.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why is it I can make a pot of black beans with ham hocks and the additional ingredients are Mexican Bulb Onions, Poblano Pepper, little cumin powder, pepper, and two chicken bouillon cubes for less than ten dollars!?!

It will feed four people easily, so if I can cook this while not being on the government welfare system why is it the poor can not do this!?!

So now you want mexican bulb onions and cumin powder included in the list of things snappers can buy??? That's why i said rice, flour, rolled oats, and sugar; Keep it simple.

No, my point is you can make a meal cheap and they do not deserve steak and lobster. People believe that the taxpayer is their personal bank account and I say forget that!

These lazy people need to get a damn job and learn to cook and stop expecting the working society to pay for their lazy ass.

I am more agree with shooting the lazy drug addicted pieces of shit than supporting their worthless asses anymore!

Also that goes for every race!

The only segment of society I will pay for willingly is the Native American Population and I know you will disagree that but as for any other segment of society fuck'em!

I also think that one of the requirements should be you are not allowed to own pets. It makes no sense that taxpayers are feeding people and those people are feeding their animals. The government should be allowed to send agents to various homes to see if these people have huge dogs or ten cats.

Yes, that's what we need, is to spend even more taxpayer money on home invasions to make sure people are living the way we want them to.

Or we could behave like REAL conservatives, mind our own damned business about what priorities people do or don't have for their cash, and address the REAL problem of our bloated welfare state.

 

[NLT]

Well, I could give you more specifics if I was willing to tell you and everyone else on this board where I live, which I'm not willing to do. Sorry.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump supporters are starting to sound more and more like little Hitlers every day.

Hitler was a socialist and anti-gun. Who does that sound like.?

It sounds like the fucking dumbass people that think forcing people to get fixed from having kids in order to eat is a good idea.

It's stupid to rob your neighbor and make him pay for you to sit on your ass and crank out more babies. You calling someone a dumbass is rich.

No, what is stupid is to hold a grudge and be hateful to 95 families because five people are gaming the food assistance programs. That is what investigations since the Reagan years have shown us. The level of fraud in these programs is between 3 and 5 percent. So, you want to make the children in 95 families suffer because you have or had or imagine a neighbor is gaming the system. If only one child in those families or one senior requires an inpatient hospital visit for a nutrition based illness it will cost ten or probably one hundred times the amount it cost to feed your neighbor.

A few months of not have a nutrition and food assistance programs would fill our hospitals to overflowing and cost billions in medical cost. Our option would be to let kids and old folks die from lack of medical attention. That would be stupid. Health and well-being are the pragmatic economic reasons the programs exist. Forget about morals and ethics, religion and decency, the purely economic factors dictate a pragmatic response to hunger among the poor and needy.

No, what is stupid is to lie and claim someone is holding a grudge and being hateful because they understand how destructive your Marxist policies are.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution; providing for the common Offense or general Warfare, is not. it really is that simple.

 

[danielpalos]

Why not leave the poor the fuck alone?

And while you're at it let them smoke pot so they can go to sleep feeling a little better.

Fuck them and their sleep. I want them to get a job.

the right is all talk and no action.

let's have a War on Capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, so the right has a good excuse to get more national and more social in their public policies.

Where have you been? The left has declared war on capitalism since long ago. Lowering taxes and regulations are all talk to you?

yes; especially with a socialist work ethic requirement. capitalism is about voluntary social transaction, not involuntary forms of servitude.

 

[danielpalos]

Why is it I can make a pot of black beans with ham hocks and the additional ingredients are Mexican Bulb Onions, Poblano Pepper, little cumin powder, pepper, and two chicken bouillon cubes for less than ten dollars!?!

It will feed four people easily, so if I can cook this while not being on the government welfare system why is it the poor can not do this!?!

So now you want mexican bulb onions and cumin powder included in the list of things snappers can buy??? That's why i said rice, flour, rolled oats, and sugar; Keep it simple.

No, my point is you can make a meal cheap and they do not deserve steak and lobster. People believe that the taxpayer is their personal bank account and I say forget that!

These lazy people need to get a damn job and learn to cook and stop expecting the working society to pay for their lazy ass.

I am more agree with shooting the lazy drug addicted pieces of shit than supporting their worthless asses anymore!

Also that goes for every race!

The only segment of society I will pay for willingly is the Native American Population and I know you will disagree that but as for any other segment of society fuck'em!

I also think that one of the requirements should be you are not allowed to own pets. It makes no sense that taxpayers are feeding people and those people are feeding their animals. The government should be allowed to send agents to various homes to see if these people have huge dogs or ten cats.

Yes, that's what we need, is to spend even more taxpayer money on home invasions to make sure people are living the way we want them to.

Or we could behave like REAL conservatives, mind our own damned business about what priorities people do or don't have for their cash, and address the REAL problem of our bloated welfare state.

we don't have a bloated welfare-State, we have a bloated Warfare-State that the fantastical right wing, refuses to pay for.

 

[OldLady]

Well, I could give you more specifics if I was willing to tell you and everyone else on this board where I live, which I'm not willing to do. Sorry.

What is that supposed to mean, NLT, in response to my post?

 

[danielpalos]

special pleading, is the right wing really has.

 

[Iceweasel]

Why not leave the poor the fuck alone?

And while you're at it let them smoke pot so they can go to sleep feeling a little better.

Fuck them and their sleep. I want them to get a job.

the right is all talk and no action.

let's have a War on Capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, so the right has a good excuse to get more national and more social in their public policies.

Where have you been? The left has declared war on capitalism since long ago. Lowering taxes and regulations are all talk to you?

yes; especially with a socialist work ethic requirement. capitalism is about voluntary social transaction, not involuntary forms of servitude.

Involuntary servitude is socialism. But making taxes and regulations better on business isn't just lip service. You must be trolling.

 

[Iceweasel]

special pleading, is the right wing really has.

So it is trolling.