So, global warming....

[Mustang]

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China:

Conservative paradise.

 

[zeke]

How is it that every day, we humans burn hundreds of millions of pounds of carbon, in the form of oil and coal, and put that into the atmosphere.

How could all that carbon not have an effect?

Evidentally sciencetists can figure out the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmospheres of thousands of years ago by using ice core samples. The percentage of carbon has varied over the course of time. At present, the carbon is at a level not seen since the dinasours. When we had all those active volcanos. And we were not burning all that gas and coal.

Wonder what that means.

 

[asterism]

How is it that every day, we humans burn hundreds of millions of pounds of carbon, in the form of oil and coal, and put that into the atmosphere.

How could all that carbon not have an effect?

Evidentally sciencetists can figure out the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmospheres of thousands of years ago by using ice core samples. The percentage of carbon has varied over the course of time. At present, the carbon is at a level not seen since the dinasours. When we had all those active volcanos. And we were not burning all that gas and coal.

Wonder what that means.

Show me a causative relationship between CO2 and temperature.

 

[Mustang]

look it works like this, lets put it into simple terms since none of is a science goo roo. ok. if you feel something is wrong and you go to 100 doctors, 99 of them tell you here is whats wrong and here is how you cure it, then the 1 doctor says something different, are you going to go with the 99 or 1. cause that is the the divide in the scientific community, and not just the US but the world. its not even something they debate anymore. also, and I know this gives to the point that it MIGHT be happening, which is wrong, it is BUT.......


option 1. we spend all this money and nothing is wrong and nothing happens. outcome, we waisted money

option 2. something IS wrong and we do nothing, civilization as we know it ends. outcome we didnt do anything and shit hits the fan

Now I see all the cons on this tread say about the sandy post, Why trust the government to save you, you should have prepaired for sandy, battires/sandwitches what have you. well when stuff keeps getting wrose ALL anound the world. why should we not prepair?

Go find me the 99 out of 100 Scientists that say civilization will end if we don't do anything.

Cite actual research.

I guess it all depends on what qualifies as "civilization." It's only human arrogance that allows people to believe that humans could not be subjected to the very same stresses that bring other species to the brink of extinction. People just think of those concepts as great fodder for entertainment when the latest summer blockbuster disaster movie is released.

Weather disasters with corresponding physical damage to property is one thing. A few weather-related disasters which result in diminished crop yields or even failed crop seasons would do a lot to change perspectives. And considering the fact that the crops we depend on evolved under the very conditions we've become accustomed to in the last few millenia, they're not likely to adapt any better than animals are. And keep in mind that modern farming methods are HIGHLY dependent on fossil fuels.

 

[asterism]

How is it that every day, we humans burn hundreds of millions of pounds of carbon, in the form of oil and coal, and put that into the atmosphere.

How could all that carbon not have an effect?

Evidentally sciencetists can figure out the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmospheres of thousands of years ago by using ice core samples. The percentage of carbon has varied over the course of time. At present, the carbon is at a level not seen since the dinasours. When we had all those active volcanos. And we were not burning all that gas and coal.

Wonder what that means.

The extinction of the dinosaurs was 65 million years ago. CO2 concentrations were at current levels 15 million years ago.

Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago, scientists report / UCLA Newsroom


Also, temperatures were higher than today and sea levels where higher than today. So why is that if increased CO2 causes increased temperature which causes increased sea levels?

Also how is the current increase in CO2 man made but previous increases weren't?

 

[Mustang]

How is it that every day, we humans burn hundreds of millions of pounds of carbon, in the form of oil and coal, and put that into the atmosphere.

How could all that carbon not have an effect?

Evidentally sciencetists can figure out the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmospheres of thousands of years ago by using ice core samples. The percentage of carbon has varied over the course of time. At present, the carbon is at a level not seen since the dinasours. When we had all those active volcanos. And we were not burning all that gas and coal.

Wonder what that means.

The extinction of the dinosaurs was 65 million years ago. CO2 concentrations were at current levels 15 million years ago.

Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago, scientists report / UCLA Newsroom


Also, temperatures were higher than today and sea levels where higher than today. So why is that if increased CO2 causes increased temperature which causes increased sea levels?

Also how is the current increase in CO2 man made but previous increases weren't?

Read James Hansen's book, "Storms of my Grandchildren."

 

[asterism]

How is it that every day, we humans burn hundreds of millions of pounds of carbon, in the form of oil and coal, and put that into the atmosphere.

How could all that carbon not have an effect?

Evidentally sciencetists can figure out the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmospheres of thousands of years ago by using ice core samples. The percentage of carbon has varied over the course of time. At present, the carbon is at a level not seen since the dinasours. When we had all those active volcanos. And we were not burning all that gas and coal.

Wonder what that means.

The extinction of the dinosaurs was 65 million years ago. CO2 concentrations were at current levels 15 million years ago.

Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago, scientists report / UCLA Newsroom


Also, temperatures were higher than today and sea levels where higher than today. So why is that if increased CO2 causes increased temperature which causes increased sea levels?

Also how is the current increase in CO2 man made but previous increases weren't?

Read James Hansen's book, "Storms of my Grandchildren."

Why? He's no prophet.

 

[Charles_Main]

Maybe Al Gore was right.

Why Because of Hurricane sandy?

I suggest you do some Research on the Weather Patterns and specifically how many, and where Hurricanes hit in the Late 1950's

 

[Mustang]

The extinction of the dinosaurs was 65 million years ago. CO2 concentrations were at current levels 15 million years ago.

Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago, scientists report / UCLA Newsroom


Also, temperatures were higher than today and sea levels where higher than today. So why is that if increased CO2 causes increased temperature which causes increased sea levels?

Also how is the current increase in CO2 man made but previous increases weren't?

Read James Hansen's book, "Storms of my Grandchildren."

Why? He's no prophet.

I beg to differ. He was one of the earliest persons to warn about climate change. In the late 70's, he was involved in research on the climate on Venus as well as being involved in the Pioneer Venus project which was launched in 1978. In the late 70's, before climate change/global warming was even on the map of popular consciousness, Hansen changed his focus to Earth's climate. He was WAY ahead of the curve. That's pretty damn close to being a modern day prophet.

 

[Neotrotsky]

James Hansen’s climate forecast of 1988: a whopping 150% wrong

Indeed another "prophet" who is wrong

Just add them to a long list of false prophets


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Here are some of the hilarious, spectacularly wrong predictions made on the occasion of Earth Day 1970.


“We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
• Kenneth Watt, ecologist

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard Biologist

“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.”
• Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist


“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
• New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
• Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970

“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

Stanford's Paul Ehrlich announces that the sky is falling.
“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
• Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
• Sen. Gaylord Nelson

“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

They’ve been making the same predictions for over 40 years. And they’re going to continue making them until…well…forever.

 

[Sinjorri]

Maybe Al Gore was right.

I was thinking about this today as the Lib media and Chris Mathews in particular
was bringing this up.

Haven't we improved on car emissions and oil plant and coal plants.
Haven't we added nuclear power plants over the last 50 years.
Now we are getting big storms...What we never had big storms before?..

So we have improved what we dump in the air and now we get big storms...

And it's all our fault.
Only Obama can save us from ourselves...

Improving emissions standards isn't nearly enough to stop what's been started.

do explain in detail what was started because im dying to hear this.

 

[tjvh]

Maybe Al Gore was right.

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[whitehall]

Maybe Al Gore was right.

Funny how the radical left leaves out little details like "man made" out of their global warming rant except when they address their fellow extortion nut cases in the UN. Look at the data you freaks. We had a storm like this back in the early 1800's. Who do we blame ? The Brits? We had so many ice ages on the globe that we number them. Where did they come from? Maybe that big nuclear reactor in the sky?

 

[mex]

The combination of willful ignorance, ignorance in general and denial are hallmarks of the conservative sheep. The argument that human activity can impact the environment and climate is clear, only those who have been feed the kool-aid by Big Coal and Big Oil believe otherwise.

Even if only 1% of the changes in sea ice and ocean temperatures are man caused, the need to repair, build and protect our coastal areas is obvious to anyone listening and not mentally impaired.

rube

 

[mex]

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China:

Conservative paradise.

stupid post.

china is the ultimate in left-wing extremism.

100% trust in government. 100% government control. 100% government power over the individual. 100% regulation of 100% of commerce.

Zero freedom.

 

[mex]

How is it that every day, we humans burn hundreds of millions of pounds of carbon, in the form of oil and coal, and put that into the atmosphere.

How could all that carbon not have an effect?

Evidentally sciencetists can figure out the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmospheres of thousands of years ago by using ice core samples. The percentage of carbon has varied over the course of time. At present, the carbon is at a level not seen since the dinasours. When we had all those active volcanos. And we were not burning all that gas and coal.

Wonder what that means.

carbon is not the only greenhouse gas

carbon dioxide is essential for life.

anyone who wants to classify co2 as a pollutant is a fucking moron

 

[Neotrotsky]

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China:

Conservative paradise.

stupid post.

china is the ultimate in left-wing extremism.

100% trust in government. 100% government control. 100% government power over the individual. 100% regulation of 100% of commerce.

Zero freedom.

Good point
some leftists have said we should be more like them

Elizabeth Warren Wants U.S. to Be More Like China

 

[Freewill]

Oh gosh another warmer trying to make misery into political hay. What is wrong with you people? The course that the hurricane took made it devastating not its intensity. It was only a cat 1 hurricane.

Now go and educate yourself: U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade

I am not sure why the info doesn't go beyond 2004 but it is enough to show that the number and the intensity of hurricanes have not increased. Matter of fact it looks like they have decreased. Again another warmer fail.

 

[asterism]

Maybe Al Gore was right.

Why Because of Hurricane sandy?

I suggest you do some Research on the Weather Patterns and specifically how many, and where Hurricanes hit in the Late 1950's

Or even the 1820s or 1890s.

But our own hurricane history is more tumultuous than many New Yorkers might think. In 1821, when a major hurricane made a direct hit on Manhattan, stunned residents recorded sea levels rising as fast as thirteen feet in a single hour down where there’s now Battery Park City. Everything was flooded south of Canal Street. The storm struck at low tide, though, and, according to Queens College professor Nicholas Coch, a coastal geologist who calls himself a “forensic hurricanologist,” that’s “the only thing that saved the city.”

Then there’s Hog Island. The pig-shaped mile-long barrier island was off the southern coast of the Rockaways. After the Civil War, developers built saloons and bathhouses on it, and Hog Island became a Gilded Age version of the Hamptons. The city’s political bosses and business elite used the place as a kind of beachy annex of Tammany Hall. That all ended on the night of August 23, 1893, when a terrifying Category 2 hurricane made landfall on the swamp that is now JFK airport.

A History of Hurricanes in New York

 

[asterism]

Read James Hansen's book, "Storms of my Grandchildren."

Why? He's no prophet.

I beg to differ. He was one of the earliest persons to warn about climate change. In the late 70's, he was involved in research on the climate on Venus as well as being involved in the Pioneer Venus project which was launched in 1978. In the late 70's, before climate change/global warming was even on the map of popular consciousness, Hansen changed his focus to Earth's climate. He was WAY ahead of the curve. That's pretty damn close to being a modern day prophet.

And people wonder why global warmists are referred to as a religious cult. Hansen is the embodiment of a repairman with only a hammer - every problem looks like a nail.