So it all boils down to whether or not the SCOTUS has any balls.....and that's really just it

[ClaireH]

Looking at all variables, "having the goods" on political players (politicians/judges/media-conglomerate owners) who decide legal outcomes on paper and influence how much the public learns is a constant behind-the-scenes player. Corruption has many layers including shady individuals and groups of individuals united with end result "justifying all actions to get there" motives.

It's all about "selling oneself" to the populace as being the good guy. Well, we're all our own good guys, so obviously some of us are delusional, some more than others

The people will take back the power, one way or the other. No, not via anarchy nor any other primitive means. I'm referencing long-term outcome, as who knows what will happen in the interim. Long-term progress will be when a large majority of citizens (which will require a few social and political divisions coming together-not political extremes however as they're out by choice) decide that we've had enough filtered facts about our lives. COVID-19 could be the catalyst that brings about in part the cry for 100% transparency, or the election results, or perhaps it's just time.

Cutthroat puppet masters are used to maintaining filtered facts, but their efforts to keep the public dumbed-down is about to hit the fan. Truth must win, regardless of which side one falls per political issue.

 

[DrLove]

Not sure what side you're on Claire, but that was an interesting post. Weigh in more often regardless!

 

[ClaireH]

Not sure what side you're on Claire, but that was an interesting post. Weigh in more often regardless!

Hey, I get one right every once in a while thanks I take that as a compliment that you aren't sure which side I'm on, although as an independent I've been given various labels by fellow posters/chatters and have tested online politically a few times coming up with various labels. Currently, I'm an unaffiliated independent, awaiting my party to form

I understand party loyalty well, and a few years back finally admitted to my self that my own party loyalty was blinding me to certain facts. It happens So, I broke away from said party, okay, Republican-ducks from all dire hard Dem rubber bullets. I'm more of your fiscal conservative but fall center-left with certain social issues; in other words I'm a true mutt as most of us Americans can claim!

 

[DrLove]

Not sure what side you're on Claire, but that was an interesting post. Weigh in more often regardless!

Hey, I get one right every once in a while thanks I take that as a compliment that you aren't sure which side I'm on, although as an independent I've been given various labels by fellow posters/chatters and have tested online politically a few times coming up with various labels. Currently, I'm an unaffiliated independent, awaiting my party to form

I understand party loyalty well, and a few years back finally admitted to my self that my own party loyalty was blinding me to certain facts. It happens So, I broke away from said party, okay, Republican-ducks from all dire hard Dem rubber bullets. I'm more of your fiscal conservative but fall center-left with certain social issues; in other words I'm a true mutt as most of us Americans can claim!

Nice - I'm tired of the division.
Sadly, Trump tapped into white resentment as far back as 2007 with his Birther nonsense and it worked.
I'd put myself center left with Libertarian overtones. Fiscally conservative/ Socially liberal.
We're SO damn divided into stupid little camps right now.
This new populism movement that started with Sarah Palin has become a little scary.
The division makes me fear for our very democracy.
Here's a great read in The Atlantic - Obama interview.

Why Obama Fears for Our Democracy

In an exclusive interview, the former president identifies the greatest threats to the American experiment, explains why he’s still hopeful, and opens up about his new book.

www.theatlantic.com

I disagreed with Obama about many things. But at least he is well read and understands history.
Keep posting!

 

[The Original Tree]

Germany Courts had no Balls when an Illegitimate Hitler was thrust to power in 1933 and did nothing to stop it even when it was proven Hitler lost his election.

"A Dark Winter is coming! We must make lists of our enemies, round them up and put them in re-education camps!"

Joe Biden

"A Dark Winter is coming! We must make lists of our enemies, round them up and put them in re-education camps!"

Joe Biden

 

[Skylar]

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

It comes down to the evidence.

The widespread voter fraud claims just don't have it. Which is why it keeps failing in court.

The corruption that the GOP is quite literally praying for is that the Trump appointed justices in the USSC will demonstrate their loyalty to Trump personally rather than the nation, the law or the constitution.

Your desperate desire....is just more authoritarian fantasies that have come to dominate the conservative mindset.

 

[22lcidw]

Not sure what side you're on Claire, but that was an interesting post. Weigh in more often regardless!

Hey, I get one right every once in a while thanks I take that as a compliment that you aren't sure which side I'm on, although as an independent I've been given various labels by fellow posters/chatters and have tested online politically a few times coming up with various labels. Currently, I'm an unaffiliated independent, awaiting my party to form

I understand party loyalty well, and a few years back finally admitted to my self that my own party loyalty was blinding me to certain facts. It happens So, I broke away from said party, okay, Republican-ducks from all dire hard Dem rubber bullets. I'm more of your fiscal conservative but fall center-left with certain social issues; in other words I'm a true mutt as most of us Americans can claim!

Claire, being on one side or the other is to be respectred. However we are not living with Democrats and Republicans. Its Progressive Socialists and Republicans. And the Repubs are more left leaning side of their party.

 

[hadit]

Their Media kept that from them.

Except it’s not true. There was a machine recount. Gore requested a hand recount in 4 counties which Bush sued to stop. By the time it got to SCOTUS, there wasn’t any time to complete it and so it just went to Bush.

You are aware, aren't you, that subsequent recounts validated Bush's victory over the guy who didn't even win his home state?

 

[Billiejeens]

Their Media kept that from them.

Except it’s not true. There was a machine recount. Gore requested a hand recount in 4 counties which Bush sued to stop. By the time it got to SCOTUS, there wasn’t any time to complete it and so it just went to Bush.

You are aware, aren't you, that subsequent recounts validated Bush's victory over the guy who didn't even win his home state?

He's not
He is a partisan hack that believes that the contortions that were made in his little chart shows that Gore won.

 

[Billiejeens]

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

It comes down to the evidence.

The widespread voter fraud claims just don't have it. Which is why it keeps failing in court.

The corruption that the GOP is quite literally praying for is that the Trump appointed justices in the USSC will demonstrate their loyalty to Trump personally rather than the nation, the law or the constitution.

Your desperate desire....is just more authoritarian fantasies that have come to dominate the conservative mindset.

so uninformed.

 

[Skylar]

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

It comes down to the evidence.

The widespread voter fraud claims just don't have it. Which is why it keeps failing in court.

The corruption that the GOP is quite literally praying for is that the Trump appointed justices in the USSC will demonstrate their loyalty to Trump personally rather than the nation, the law or the constitution.

Your desperate desire....is just more authoritarian fantasies that have come to dominate the conservative mindset.

so uninformed.

January 20st, 2021 will be glorious tool to glean whose been gobbling a steady diet of bullshit, now won't it?

 

[colfax_m]

He's not
He is a partisan hack that believes that the contortions that were made in his little chart shows that Gore won.

I proved you were wrong and you made up some bullshit and then ran away.

You’re a pussy.

 

[colfax_m]

You are aware, aren't you, that subsequent recounts validated Bush's victory over the guy who didn't even win his home state?

I already provided the report that demonstrated that depending on how you did the recount, Gore did win.

 

[sealybobo]

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

Your arguments are why I believe Florida was stolen. Republicans are paranoid that we did what they did to us.

Back then we complained about Diebold voting machines. Jeb bush stole florida for his brother.

And republicans who have vacation homes in Florida vote twice.

Ignorant claim-------there was no stealing---the votes were all hand counted multiple times and Bush won all of the counts before and after being declared the winner.

Their Media kept that from them.

There was a reason gore rolled his eyes when he conceded. He knew he got scammed but for the integrity of our elections, he backed down.

Republicans wanted gore to give up even though he had a case. Trump has no case yet they are telling him not to concede. Interesting

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

Your arguments are why I believe Florida was stolen. Republicans are paranoid that we did what they did to us.

Back then we complained about Diebold voting machines. Jeb bush stole florida for his brother.

And republicans who have vacation homes in Florida vote twice.

Ignorant claim-------there was no stealing---the votes were all hand counted multiple times and Bush won all of the counts before and after being declared the winner.

I believe they stopped the recount. No?

And ok fine. Biden won all the counts too.

They kept counting----the pregnant chads kept giving birth and each time that the ballots were counted and the dems would find more ballots in the piles that they had already counted with bush still winning every count. Eventually they cancelled any more recounts (they actually counted the ballots unlike they are doing for Trump)---but after Bush was declared the winner and president---the media went in and had the votes counted again--Bush again won.

The Republican Party's sordid history in Florida shows just how far they'll go to save Trump

(Thom plus logo) Those who forget history, the old saying goes, are doomed to repeat it."Lawmakers on both sides indicated Tuesday that the Republican-dominated Legislature will call a special session by the end of the week to appoint its own slate of delegates to the electoral college," wrote...

www.thomhartmann.com

There is sooooo much evidence Republicans stole Florida

Republicans in Florida were preparing to direct their electors to vote for George W. Bush even if the Florida Supreme Court-ordered recount found that Al Gore actually won the state.

The evening before, The New York Times published an article by David Barstow and Somini Sengupta which laid it out bluntly.

"The president of Florida's Senate said today that Gov. Jeb Bush had indicated his willingness to sign special legislation intended to award Florida's 25 Electoral College votes to his brother Gov. George W. Bush of Texas even as the election results were being contested," they wrote.

Hours after Mr. Gore, the Democratic nominee, filed papers here formally contesting Florida's election results, John McKay, the Republican who is the Senate president, told reporters about a conversation he had had with Jeb Bush last week in which they discussed whether Mr. Bush should sign the bill. ...

Last week, in a conversation with Tom Feeney, the speaker of the House, Mr. Bush said Republican legislators would need to demonstrate political courage in calling a special session [to direct the electoral college vote to his brother]. Such a session, he predicted, would exact 'a certain price' on the Legislature.

Democrats complained bitterly and sent the Republican leader a strongly worded letter arguing that the GOP's threat, if carried out, would "place a dark partisan stain on our legislature."

She added, "The votes have been cast. They just need to be fairly and accurately counted... The State Legislature should not become an arm of any one presidential campaign."

Republicans laughed.

They were working off legal opinions like the one by John Yoo referenced in the LA Times that "state legislatures – and not any other branch of the state government – are empowered to name delegates to the electoral college."

"The complaints have had no apparent impact on the disciplined and determined group of Republicans," noted the Times, "who control the House by a 77-to-43 margin and the Senate 25 to 15."

Not knowing that just days later the US Supreme Court would intervene to render unnecessary Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature's election-stealing program, Florida's Democratic House Leader Frankel added, "I'm afraid there is little we can do to prevent this horrible outcome from happening. It's inevitable now."

The media today are acting all shocked, shocked, I tell you! that Republicans would consider swing states with GOP legislatures directing their electors to vote for Trump regardless of who won the state. But this is not new.

Governor Jeb Bush and the Florida Republican's action during the election of 2000 was a dress rehearsal. There was virtually no national outrage or coverage of the Florida Republicans plan to simply instruct the Florida electors to cast their votes for Bush.

Lesson learned.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I dont remember that.

Shocked. Just shocked. I mean, what are the odds that you don’t remember something that doesn’t fit with your false narrative.

Who said it?

Ignorant claim-------there was no stealing---the votes were all hand counted multiple times and Bush won all of the counts before and after being declared the winner.

Their Media kept that from them.

Turtlesoup made the claim and you claimed the media kept it from “them”.

What am I being accused of exactly? Gore lost to Baby Bush----( and I hate the Bush's so I would tell you if this wasn't true.) There were multiple counts of the florida vote---Baby Bush won them all despite pregnant chads giving birth inbetween counts giving gore a few more votes with each new count. After the election was decided, the media followed up with their own count-----and you know the lib media hates the republicans. They found that again Bush won every count.

You are not being accurate about what was done. There were no hand recounts included in the totals when it was certified. The Florida SC ordered a state wide hand recount which the SCOTUS stopped.

The media consortium did their own hand recount and if you did it statewide, Gore would have won. That’s the facts.

Those aren't the facts. They did multiple recounts.....every computer recount--BUSH won. Computers are unbias so unless their are flat out fraudulent ballots, the computer has no reason to lie. Every new count resulted in new votes being "found" for Gore. Dems touch the ballots for counting and then the computer would recount the ballots and find new votes. Dems touch the ballots again and more votes found.

When this wasn't enough to make gore the winner ---the media counters would try different scenerios---If someone voted for two candidates--they meant to vote for gore...if someone voted for buchanan--they meant to vote for Gore----if someone only put a dimple in the ballot, they meant to vote for Gore...Bush still won by most all standards and btw.

I remembered clearly back then that the media did counts after the election themselves with Bush winning.....so I found your comments about a consortium of the media interesting-----even more so when it would turn up on the wiki. DEMS trying to rewrite history again?. I read about the conssortiums study and who they felt would win. Notice the word felt---and notice that they would try various different standards of counting in order to try any claim that Gore would or could win if the situations were just right. But they didn't stop there --I read about their method of testing------they omitted almost 2000 ballots from republican county altogether because they claim that they personally did not receive them for what ever reason in order to grasp at something to claim that gore would have won which has been a revisionist history that I have been hearing for the last couple of year. You guys need to stop lying to yourselves and everyone else.

 

[sealybobo]

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

Your arguments are why I believe Florida was stolen. Republicans are paranoid that we did what they did to us.

Back then we complained about Diebold voting machines. Jeb bush stole florida for his brother.

And republicans who have vacation homes in Florida vote twice.

Ignorant claim-------there was no stealing---the votes were all hand counted multiple times and Bush won all of the counts before and after being declared the winner.

Their Media kept that from them.

There was a reason gore rolled his eyes when he conceded. He knew he got scammed but for the integrity of our elections, he backed down.

Republicans wanted gore to give up even though he had a case. Trump has no case yet they are telling him not to concede. Interesting

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

Your arguments are why I believe Florida was stolen. Republicans are paranoid that we did what they did to us.

Back then we complained about Diebold voting machines. Jeb bush stole florida for his brother.

And republicans who have vacation homes in Florida vote twice.

Ignorant claim-------there was no stealing---the votes were all hand counted multiple times and Bush won all of the counts before and after being declared the winner.

I believe they stopped the recount. No?

And ok fine. Biden won all the counts too.

They kept counting----the pregnant chads kept giving birth and each time that the ballots were counted and the dems would find more ballots in the piles that they had already counted with bush still winning every count. Eventually they cancelled any more recounts (they actually counted the ballots unlike they are doing for Trump)---but after Bush was declared the winner and president---the media went in and had the votes counted again--Bush again won.

On December 4, 2000, in time to change the outcome of the Electoral College vote, Greg Palast published an article in Salon.com, made into a BBC television documentary shortly thereafter, that laid out solid evidence of massive electoral fraud in Florida, perpetrated against the majority-Democratic-voting African American community by Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush. Without this fraud, Gore would have easily carried the state.

Not only was the election of 2000 stolen by the Bush brothers, but it was proven by the later statewide recount that - even after Jeb's knocking thousands of African Americans off the rolls - Gore still would have won Florida had all the votes been counted.

n 2000 it could have been to highlight the removal from voting rolls in Florida of tens of thousands of African American Democrats. The 2002 election could have revealed the "trade secret" software running non-paper-trail voting machines in Georgia that defied the polls and threw out Max Cleland (helping establish Republican control of the Senate in 2002). And the 2004 election could have again raised questions about voting machines, Florida purge rolls moving to other states, dirty tricks (phone calls to registered Democrats telling them their polling places had changed, etc.), and, as Fitrakis has documented, disclosed patterns of precinct and machine placements in Ohio (and other states) that caused thousands - perhaps hundreds of thousands - of Ohio Kerry voters to give up and leave 10+ hour lines because they had to go to work or pick kids up from school.

Republicans are getting ready, and have known since 2000 how well this can work in America. Without a countervailing grass-roots but national response, we'll continue to move toward a Stalinist type of state, with single-party rule, "purges" of the intelligence and law enforcement communities, increasing limits on civil liberties, and widespread cynicism about politics leading to increasing nonparticipation in the process. .

How To Take Back A Stolen Election

"Never again!" says the slogan in an email I received from an activist friend. "Never again will we allow a stolen election in the USA!" But how are we going to stop it?

www.thomhartmann.com

 

[sealybobo]

The Constitution provides a couple of mechanisms for Trump to lose the 2020 election—both the popular vote and the Electoral College—and still hold the office of president for a second term.

It’s keeping historians and constitutional scholars up at night and, based on offline conversations I’ve had with D.C. conservatives I know, is something the GOP and partisans within the Trump administration are already discussing.


Additionally, the Constitution says that if a presidential election really turns into a mess with multiple claims of fraud or some other crisis, the president is selected by the U.S. House of Representatives.

While that sounds like good news, with Democrats controlling the House today, each state’s delegation only gets one vote—50 votes from 50 states determine the president. And a majority of the states are Republican-controlled, so this remedy would put Trump into office regardless of how badly he lost the popular vote, the electoral vote, or both.

Shady.

Trump Constitutionally Could Remain President Even if He Loses 2020 Popular and Electoral Votes, and He Knows It. Thom Hartmann Explains. — BuzzFlash

BuzzFlash

buzzflash.com

 

[colfax_m]

I dont remember that.

Shocked. Just shocked. I mean, what are the odds that you don’t remember something that doesn’t fit with your false narrative.

Who said it?

Ignorant claim-------there was no stealing---the votes were all hand counted multiple times and Bush won all of the counts before and after being declared the winner.

Their Media kept that from them.

Turtlesoup made the claim and you claimed the media kept it from “them”.

What am I being accused of exactly? Gore lost to Baby Bush----( and I hate the Bush's so I would tell you if this wasn't true.) There were multiple counts of the florida vote---Baby Bush won them all despite pregnant chads giving birth inbetween counts giving gore a few more votes with each new count. After the election was decided, the media followed up with their own count-----and you know the lib media hates the republicans. They found that again Bush won every count.

You are not being accurate about what was done. There were no hand recounts included in the totals when it was certified. The Florida SC ordered a state wide hand recount which the SCOTUS stopped.

The media consortium did their own hand recount and if you did it statewide, Gore would have won. That’s the facts.

Those aren't the facts. They did multiple recounts.....every computer recount--BUSH won. Computers are unbias so unless their are flat out fraudulent ballots, the computer has no reason to lie. Every new count resulted in new votes being "found" for Gore. Dems touch the ballots for counting and then the computer would recount the ballots and find new votes. Dems touch the ballots again and more votes found.

When this wasn't enough to make gore the winner ---the media counters would try different scenerios---If someone voted for two candidates--they meant to vote for gore...if someone voted for buchanan--they meant to vote for Gore----if someone only put a dimple in the ballot, they meant to vote for Gore...Bush still won by most all standards and btw.

I remembered clearly back then that the media did counts after the election themselves with Bush winning.....so I found your comments about a consortium of the media interesting-----even more so when it would turn up on the wiki. DEMS trying to rewrite history again?. I read about the conssortiums study and who they felt would win. Notice the word felt---and notice that they would try various different standards of counting in order to try any claim that Gore would or could win if the situations were just right. But they didn't stop there --I read about their method of testing------they omitted almost 2000 ballots from republican county altogether because they claim that they personally did not receive them for what ever reason in order to grasp at something to claim that gore would have won which has been a revisionist history that I have been hearing for the last couple of year. You guys need to stop lying to yourselves and everyone else.

All you guys seem to be relying on your memory instead of actual facts.

I’m the only one that provided any data and it shows you’re all full of shit.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Dominion was the subject of a hoax originated by followers of the far-right QAnon conspiracy theory

Nonsense. Dominion failed a software expert review in Texas and was easily shown to be fragile and vulnerable to fraud. The question is why was this sub standard voting system blindly adopted across so many states and Texas was the ONLY STATE that actually evaluated it?

[Rhetorical] Why do you and others on the right keep beating this dead horse.

 

[Billiejeens]

If they do....then they will do their job and declare every single state with dominion machines invalid results. But as usual I suspect Roberts will try to find a way to keep the court out of it and hide behind the phony smile of civility.

Is he a closet HOMO? Is he an Epstein co-hort? Who knows? One thing is for damned sure....every time an issue arises that needs conservative support Roberts reverts back to his inner Ginsberg....gotta wonder why.

This is going to SCOTUS.....but I'm not sure we can depend on them anymore.

Even with Barrett seated now ( who thinks George Floyd was murdered ...What Bitch? ) not sure what we're going to get here. There's no avoiding the conflict...if you give Trump his victory which was legally earned but illegally stolen...the left goes up in flames....ONLY THIS TIME IF YOU ALLOW THE STEAL THE RIGHT IS GOING TO GO UP IN FLAMES so SCOTUS cannot effect peace either way here....they might as well decide with the law instead of against it.

JO

It comes down to the evidence.

The widespread voter fraud claims just don't have it. Which is why it keeps failing in court.

The corruption that the GOP is quite literally praying for is that the Trump appointed justices in the USSC will demonstrate their loyalty to Trump personally rather than the nation, the law or the constitution.

Your desperate desire....is just more authoritarian fantasies that have come to dominate the conservative mindset.

so uninformed.

January 20st, 2021 will be glorious tool to glean whose been gobbling a steady diet of bullshit, now won't it?

I dont know
Will you actually eat it?