So let me get this straight...

[Hum Dinger]

Universal Healthcare was first implemented by Bismark in Germany. It's been implemented in every major industrial nation in the world, except the U.S., since.

It has been overwhelmingly successful and remains overwhelmingly popular throughout the world.

It can be successfully implemented in the U.S.

However, I expect that our political leaders would totally fuck it up.

 

[Thinker101]

Say what? Kinda doubt crap insurance for crap service is desirable.

Well I never said anything about desiring crap insurance so I don’t know where that came from.

Really? Are you expecting better insurance for less or free?

Smart policy can help drive prices down. Insurance companies and pharma make Billions. Just look at their advertising budgets. Apply some of those profits back towards lowering costs of care for the people and there is plenty of room to improve our system

No doubt, smart policy can drive down prices, but we're talking government here, anything smart is not really a policy. Insurance company budgets will go away because they will no longer be needed, any savings will get sucked into the black hole know as government. Pharma will remain pharma, with advancements reduced to a dribble.

We are talking about all options. Private and public. Whoever does best should prevail. Something needs to change though

Once again, private will not exist.

 

[Thinker101]

Oh please. We called you people out when they passed Obamacare, we told you their real goal was single payer government healthcare for all and you people swore it wasn't true. Well here we are.

What’s wrong with creating a public option and if it works better than private and people want it going to single payer... isn’t that what competition is all about? Is the government not allowed to compete with the private market?

Wow, evidently someone isn't paying attention. What is being proposed is not an option.

Yes it is... I think only 2 or 3 of 20 want to abolish private insurance. The rest are proposing a public option

Riiiiiiight

Yes that’s right. They raised hands and everything

Really!! Kamala Harris raised her hand, on Friday she said she misunderstood the question. No doubt she's a true democrat, dumber than dirt.

 

[Diver Diva]

Hospital won’t close if we change our system. That’s a fear mongering talking point

And exactly what do you know about hospital operations? My ex-husband is a cardiologist and a hospital board member. If .gov took over healthcare most hospitals would go out of business. And a lot of healthcare workers would lose their jobs. Contrary to what you socialists think, hospitals aren't rolling in money. They rely mostly on charitable donations to buy new equipment and build new facilities. In fact I met my ex-husband at a hospital fundraiser event.

Even with the high costs of bringing drugs to market they are making insane profits. That’s after they eat those expenses. So that talking point is out the window. And if you like competition the. You should support a public option. If the public option can out perform the private industry then isn’t that a good thing? If it can’t then there is no reason to go single payer. Right?

Again, it is the profit incentive that drives pharmaceutical companies to invest in research for new drugs. Take away the profit motive and they will invest less in R&D, and as a result we will not have new medicines.

A public "option" will end up in a two-tiered healthcare system, where most doctors will not accept the restrictions that come along with government funded insurance, and will only accept patients who can pay cash. Ironically it will be the lower income people who will have longer wait times and lower quality care.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Universal Healthcare was first implemented by Bismark in Germany. It's been implemented in every major industrial nation in the world, except the U.S., since.

It has been overwhelmingly successful and remains overwhelmingly popular throughout the world.

It can be successfully implemented in the U.S.

However, I expect that our political leaders would totally fuck it up.

/——/ But what if we don’t like universal healthcare? Why do we have to do what they do? Why can’t you Progs leave us the fu*k alone?

 

[Hum Dinger]

Universal Healthcare was first implemented by Bismark in Germany. It's been implemented in every major industrial nation in the world, except the U.S., since.

It has been overwhelmingly successful and remains overwhelmingly popular throughout the world.

It can be successfully implemented in the U.S.

However, I expect that our political leaders would totally fuck it up.

/——/ But what if we don’t like universal healthcare? Why do we have to do what they do? Why can’t you Progs leave us the fu*k alone?

It's called Democracy. Love it or leave it!

 

[ptbw forever]

Universal Healthcare was first implemented by Bismark in Germany. It's been implemented in every major industrial nation in the world, except the U.S., since.

It has been overwhelmingly successful and remains overwhelmingly popular throughout the world.

It can be successfully implemented in the U.S.

However, I expect that our political leaders would totally fuck it up.

/——/ But what if we don’t like universal healthcare? Why do we have to do what they do? Why can’t you Progs leave us the fu*k alone?

It's called Democracy. Love it or leave it!

It's called a Republic. Get the fuck out.

 

[Slade3200]

Well thank god we have you who can read minds! #delusional

Oh please. We called you people out when they passed Obamacare, we told you their real goal was single payer government healthcare for all and you people swore it wasn't true. Well here we are.

What’s wrong with creating a public option and if it works better than private and people want it going to single payer... isn’t that what competition is all about? Is the government not allowed to compete with the private market?

You already have a public option, get a damn job and buy your own damn health insurance and stop trying to mooch off the rest of us.

I guess you don’t understand what public option means. Why am I not surprised

Public option = FORCED SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE CORRUPTED BY LOWLIFE FILTHY SCUM DEMOCRATS. There now YOU know what "public option" really means.

What about the word “Option” do you not understand?

 

[Slade3200]

Wow.

Always interesting to hear from the alternate universe.
.

Translation, I called BS on your post and you got destroyed.

Okie dokie!
.

Go lick your wounds and stop posting lies.

This destroyed business is all in your head. Nobody cares

As demonstrated by you feeling compelled to reply, got it.

I’m entertained. And I definitely don’t see you as destroying people. You’re a troll, nothing more... but again... nobody really cares.

 

[Slade3200]

What’s wrong with creating a public option and if it works better than private and people want it going to single payer... isn’t that what competition is all about? Is the government not allowed to compete with the private market?

Wow, evidently someone isn't paying attention. What is being proposed is not an option.

Yes it is... I think only 2 or 3 of 20 want to abolish private insurance. The rest are proposing a public option

Riiiiiiight

Yes that’s right. They raised hands and everything

Yes I watched it. Look Democrats LIE you can't trust their words or their raised hands. They are promising healthcare to everyone even the goddamn illegals and we know someone has to pay for it. All those fuckers on stage with one exception are drooling over single payer government run healthcare and you know it.

The one candidate tried to tell the rest of those dumb fuckers it would bankrupt most of the hospitals in the country but none listened to him.

Oh well isn’t that a great way to go about life... let’s not listen to anything they actually say, we will just translate what they really mean in some spun up derogatory way. Yes, I understand the tactic you trolls use. I just hope you don’t actually think people buy that shit.

 

[Slade3200]

Well I never said anything about desiring crap insurance so I don’t know where that came from.

Really? Are you expecting better insurance for less or free?

Smart policy can help drive prices down. Insurance companies and pharma make Billions. Just look at their advertising budgets. Apply some of those profits back towards lowering costs of care for the people and there is plenty of room to improve our system

No doubt, smart policy can drive down prices, but we're talking government here, anything smart is not really a policy. Insurance company budgets will go away because they will no longer be needed, any savings will get sucked into the black hole know as government. Pharma will remain pharma, with advancements reduced to a dribble.

We are talking about all options. Private and public. Whoever does best should prevail. Something needs to change though

Once again, private will not exist.

Ok buddy. Make up whatever you need to to feel justified with your opposition. But if you truly believe in competition then you would be open to all options

 

[Slade3200]

Hospital won’t close if we change our system. That’s a fear mongering talking point

And exactly what do you know about hospital operations? My ex-husband is a cardiologist and a hospital board member. If .gov took over healthcare most hospitals would go out of business. And a lot of healthcare workers would lose their jobs. Contrary to what you socialists think, hospitals aren't rolling in money. They rely mostly on charitable donations to buy new equipment and build new facilities. In fact I met my ex-husband at a hospital fundraiser event.

Even with the high costs of bringing drugs to market they are making insane profits. That’s after they eat those expenses. So that talking point is out the window. And if you like competition the. You should support a public option. If the public option can out perform the private industry then isn’t that a good thing? If it can’t then there is no reason to go single payer. Right?

Again, it is the profit incentive that drives pharmaceutical companies to invest in research for new drugs. Take away the profit motive and they will invest less in R&D, and as a result we will not have new medicines.

A public "option" will end up in a two-tiered healthcare system, where most doctors will not accept the restrictions that come along with government funded insurance, and will only accept patients who can pay cash. Ironically it will be the lower income people who will have longer wait times and lower quality care.

It takes a lot of assumptions to say that but if a gov system works like planned then it would lower costs and increase access to care. If it overwhelms hospitals and they shut down then it wouldn’t work. Like with any business plan the conscripts should be tested and proved before a national rollout.

 

[Zorro!]

Universal Healthcare was first implemented by Bismark in Germany. It's been implemented in every major industrial nation in the world, except the U.S., since.

It has been overwhelmingly successful and remains overwhelmingly popular throughout the world.

It can be successfully implemented in the U.S.

However, I expect that our political leaders would totally fuck it up.

Do what you want with your healthcare and we will do the same.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Oh please. We called you people out when they passed Obamacare, we told you their real goal was single payer government healthcare for all and you people swore it wasn't true. Well here we are.

What’s wrong with creating a public option and if it works better than private and people want it going to single payer... isn’t that what competition is all about? Is the government not allowed to compete with the private market?

You already have a public option, get a damn job and buy your own damn health insurance and stop trying to mooch off the rest of us.

I guess you don’t understand what public option means. Why am I not surprised

Public option = FORCED SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE CORRUPTED BY LOWLIFE FILTHY SCUM DEMOCRATS. There now YOU know what "public option" really means.

What about the word “Option” do you not understand?

/——/ You can’t OPTION out of forced participation. It’s a head fake libs like to use.

 

[jillian]

...from what I just heard from the leading Democratic presidential candidates, they will:

a) Take away everyone's private healthcare plans.

and

b) Give free healthcare to illegal immigrants.

Seriously?

Wow, that sounds like a winning platform to run on.

That isn’t what they said

Learn to listen and don’t read trumpian trash

This is why trumpkins are such dupes

 

[Slade3200]

What’s wrong with creating a public option and if it works better than private and people want it going to single payer... isn’t that what competition is all about? Is the government not allowed to compete with the private market?

You already have a public option, get a damn job and buy your own damn health insurance and stop trying to mooch off the rest of us.

I guess you don’t understand what public option means. Why am I not surprised

Public option = FORCED SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE CORRUPTED BY LOWLIFE FILTHY SCUM DEMOCRATS. There now YOU know what "public option" really means.

What about the word “Option” do you not understand?

/——/ You can’t OPTION out of forced participation. It’s a head fake libs like to use.

Where’s the force?

 

[Moonglow]

...from what I just heard from the leading Democratic presidential candidates, they will:

a) Take away everyone's private healthcare plans.

and

b) Give free healthcare to illegal immigrants.

Seriously?

Wow, that sounds like a winning platform to run on.

So was the idea that Mexico would pay fer zee wall...

 

[Cellblock2429]

You already have a public option, get a damn job and buy your own damn health insurance and stop trying to mooch off the rest of us.

I guess you don’t understand what public option means. Why am I not surprised

Public option = FORCED SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE CORRUPTED BY LOWLIFE FILTHY SCUM DEMOCRATS. There now YOU know what "public option" really means.

What about the word “Option” do you not understand?

/——/ You can’t OPTION out of forced participation. It’s a head fake libs like to use.

Where’s the force?

/----/ Stop playing stupid. FORCED participation in Medicaid, Medicare, Obozocare for starters. You aren't FORCED to have dental insurance. That is an OPTION.

 

[Slade3200]

I guess you don’t understand what public option means. Why am I not surprised

Public option = FORCED SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE CORRUPTED BY LOWLIFE FILTHY SCUM DEMOCRATS. There now YOU know what "public option" really means.

What about the word “Option” do you not understand?

/——/ You can’t OPTION out of forced participation. It’s a head fake libs like to use.

Where’s the force?

/----/ Stop playing stupid. FORCED participation in Medicaid, Medicare, Obozocare for starters. You aren't FORCED to have dental insurance. That is an OPTION.

That answer made zero sense. Want to try again?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Public option = FORCED SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE CORRUPTED BY LOWLIFE FILTHY SCUM DEMOCRATS. There now YOU know what "public option" really means.

What about the word “Option” do you not understand?

/——/ You can’t OPTION out of forced participation. It’s a head fake libs like to use.

Where’s the force?

/----/ Stop playing stupid. FORCED participation in Medicaid, Medicare, Obozocare for starters. You aren't FORCED to have dental insurance. That is an OPTION.

That answer made zero sense. Want to try again?

/----/ You're the one trying to be coy. My reply to your question "Where is the force" makes perfect sense.