So, let's go ahead and go back to the '1967' borders and end the 'occupation'

[theliq]

theliq, Boston1, et al,

Wow... I have ofter heard pro-Palestinians speak out of turn, relative to their "right to use all means necessary'" without regard to the law. They have often defended their right to attack unarmed civilians. They have indeed perfected the art of attacking unarmed civilians since before the time of the Six Day War.

I don't think there is any doubt the UN is an extremely bias organization. Even its chair admits it is

Ban Ki-moon Admits United Nations Anti-Israel Bias | Jewish ...

Ban Ki-moon Admits: UN is Biased Against Israel - Arutz ...

WATCH: UN Chief Admits Bias AGAINST Israel | United with ...

UN chief admits bias against Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews

UN CHIEF BAN KI-MOON ADMITS THE UN HAS BIAS ...

Myths & Facts: Human Rights (Chapter 18) | Jewish Virtual ...

CREEP/S ........ NEVER HEARD YOU MOANING IN 1948 ABOUT THE U.N..Huh the IRONY IS,that you use this Organization as an authority for your actual existence..then ignore and Slag them off,when they try to bring you to HEEL................No one is really bias about Israel,except in the minds of Zionist Terrorist Jews in Israel and elsewhere........... because they never comply to anything the UN or the US says......unless it suits them......anyway....Israel are a Poor Civic Citizen within the World Community.........Always crying Wolf or Anti-Semitism or other such CRAP........Israel are BIAS AGAINST EVERYONE WHEN IT SUITS THEM.........They are such Bores,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have an extensive history and a pattern of unchallengeable criminal behavior. Yet, not once have the Palestinians really faced international condemnation and criminal prosecution. Not once have the Hostile Arab Palestinians made to make restitution for the crimes of terrorism they have committed; or the actions that have been established as Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

I find it very damn strange that the International Community, not once --- even after the 1972 Munich Massacre at the Olympics, challenged and held the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the accountable. The International Community allowed the armed Palestinian fedayeen to attempt the assassination of the Jordanian King, not once -- but twice in 1970. Nor were the Hostile Arab Palestinians held accountable for:

Tel Aviv outdoor mall bombing - 25 injured Double Suicide attack, carried out by Palestinian Islamic Jihad together with Fatah.
Jaffa Street bombing First female suicide bomber in Al-Aqsa Intifada, Wafa Idris. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Tayibe bombing Tayibe Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karnei Shomron Mall suicide bombing West Bank PFLP claimed responsibility.[
Maale Adumim - Jerusalem road bombing explosive that was detonated by the driver of the car he was checking. Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Maccabim bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Yeshivat Beit Yisrael massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Ariel hotel lobby bombing PFLP claimed responsibility.
Café Moment bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 22 bombing Injured Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
King George Street bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Passover massacre Suicide attack on Passover seder in Park Hotel. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Kiryat HaYovel supermarket bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street coffee shop bombing March 30, 2002 Tel Aviv 1 Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Baqa al-Gharbiyah bombing Booby-trapped vehicle that Palestinians tried to sneak into Israel.
Matza restaurant suicide bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Efrat Medical Center Hamas claimed responsibility.
Jerusalem Roadblock bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Yagur Junction bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
3rd Mahane Yehuda Market attack Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Rishon LeZion bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Netanya Market bombing Hamas together with PFLP.
Afula road bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Rothschild Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Studio 49 Disco bombing The security guard opened fire on a Palestinian attempting to detonate a car bomb.
Petah Tikva Mall bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Megiddo Junction bus bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Herzliya shawarma restaurant bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Patt Junction Bus Bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
French Hill Junction massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Immanuel bus attack Detonation of an explosive device and shooting. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Neve Shaanan Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Hebrew University massacre Bomber was from East Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Meron Junction Bus 361 attack Arab bomber with Israeli citizenship. Hamas claimed responsibility.
1st Umm al-Fahm bombing The Palestinian exploded in a taxi killing himself and wounding an Israeli-Arab driver from Nazareth.
2nd Umm al-Fahm bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Geha road bombing October 10, 2002 Bar-Ilan interchange, Geha road 1 Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karkur junction suicide bombing Suicide bombers Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Sonol gas station bombing Victims killed while trying to prevent the Palestinian from detonating the bomb. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Kfar Saba shopping mall bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Kiryat Menachem bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
​

Both the Permanent Court of Justice, International Court of Justice have never brought the Arab Palestinians to Justice. Even recently, The ICJ denied Israel's right to self-defense saying: Self-defence - Article 51 of the Charter - Attacks against Israel not imputable to a foreign State - Threat invoked to justify the construction of the wall originating within a territory over which Israel exercises control - Article 51 not relevant in the present case. This material error in judgement, rests upon the Armistice Lines that the Palestinians were never a party to, to begin with and that the Armistice Line only remained in force until a peaceful settlement bThe Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was achieved [Article XII (2) of Armistice Agreement] The ICC Court Judges have, under the color of authority, ordered the Prosecutor to re-examine the Mavi Marmara decision --- casting a serious spotlight on the impact of political of the Judges to remain unbiased; given that th Flotilla acted in a manner consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person; by first announcing they intended to run a posted blockade, and then attempting to run the blockade. Similarly, the ICC allowed the Palestinians to file a series of 520 complaints (Frivolous ≈ 73%) for the period 1 August 2014 to 30 June 2015:

• 383 were manifestly outside the Court’s jurisdiction;
• 36 were unrelated to current situations and warranted further analysis;
• 68 were linked to a situation already under analysis; and
• 33 were linked to an investigation or prosecution.
​

There is no question in my mind that the ICJ and the ICC are under the pressure if Islamic Extremist and afraid if the court does nothing, these Islamic Extremist will initiate domestic disturbances in Europe. For this and other reasons, neither court should have jurisdiction as they are contaminated. Neither court attempts to demonstrate the slightest bit of integrity and is a demonstrated failure to observe standards or show due honesty. They have shaken the foundation of credibility once held by the court. This will create a crisis in which the single-sided prosecution of the Jewish State in the selective enforcement of the ICC, will bring the relevance of the court into question.

The UNRWA appears to have had employees with very close (if not direct) connections with HAMAS. Over 50% of the Gaza Population are receiving some sort of handout from the UNRWA. That is kind of hard to believe since less than 3% were even old enough to have been around during the Israeli attack by the Arab League Forces in 1948-49 (War of Independence).

Most Respectfully,
R

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

 

[Hossfly]

theliq, Boston1, et al,

Wow... I have ofter heard pro-Palestinians speak out of turn, relative to their "right to use all means necessary'" without regard to the law. They have often defended their right to attack unarmed civilians. They have indeed perfected the art of attacking unarmed civilians since before the time of the Six Day War.

I don't think there is any doubt the UN is an extremely bias organization. Even its chair admits it is

Ban Ki-moon Admits United Nations Anti-Israel Bias | Jewish ...

Ban Ki-moon Admits: UN is Biased Against Israel - Arutz ...

WATCH: UN Chief Admits Bias AGAINST Israel | United with ...

UN chief admits bias against Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews

UN CHIEF BAN KI-MOON ADMITS THE UN HAS BIAS ...

Myths & Facts: Human Rights (Chapter 18) | Jewish Virtual ...

CREEP/S ........ NEVER HEARD YOU MOANING IN 1948 ABOUT THE U.N..Huh the IRONY IS,that you use this Organization as an authority for your actual existence..then ignore and Slag them off,when they try to bring you to HEEL................No one is really bias about Israel,except in the minds of Zionist Terrorist Jews in Israel and elsewhere........... because they never comply to anything the UN or the US says......unless it suits them......anyway....Israel are a Poor Civic Citizen within the World Community.........Always crying Wolf or Anti-Semitism or other such CRAP........Israel are BIAS AGAINST EVERYONE WHEN IT SUITS THEM.........They are such Bores,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have an extensive history and a pattern of unchallengeable criminal behavior. Yet, not once have the Palestinians really faced international condemnation and criminal prosecution. Not once have the Hostile Arab Palestinians made to make restitution for the crimes of terrorism they have committed; or the actions that have been established as Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

I find it very damn strange that the International Community, not once --- even after the 1972 Munich Massacre at the Olympics, challenged and held the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the accountable. The International Community allowed the armed Palestinian fedayeen to attempt the assassination of the Jordanian King, not once -- but twice in 1970. Nor were the Hostile Arab Palestinians held accountable for:

Tel Aviv outdoor mall bombing - 25 injured Double Suicide attack, carried out by Palestinian Islamic Jihad together with Fatah.
Jaffa Street bombing First female suicide bomber in Al-Aqsa Intifada, Wafa Idris. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Tayibe bombing Tayibe Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karnei Shomron Mall suicide bombing West Bank PFLP claimed responsibility.[
Maale Adumim - Jerusalem road bombing explosive that was detonated by the driver of the car he was checking. Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Maccabim bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Yeshivat Beit Yisrael massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Ariel hotel lobby bombing PFLP claimed responsibility.
Café Moment bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 22 bombing Injured Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
King George Street bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Passover massacre Suicide attack on Passover seder in Park Hotel. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Kiryat HaYovel supermarket bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street coffee shop bombing March 30, 2002 Tel Aviv 1 Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Baqa al-Gharbiyah bombing Booby-trapped vehicle that Palestinians tried to sneak into Israel.
Matza restaurant suicide bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Efrat Medical Center Hamas claimed responsibility.
Jerusalem Roadblock bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Yagur Junction bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
3rd Mahane Yehuda Market attack Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Rishon LeZion bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Netanya Market bombing Hamas together with PFLP.
Afula road bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Rothschild Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Studio 49 Disco bombing The security guard opened fire on a Palestinian attempting to detonate a car bomb.
Petah Tikva Mall bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Megiddo Junction bus bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Herzliya shawarma restaurant bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Patt Junction Bus Bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
French Hill Junction massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Immanuel bus attack Detonation of an explosive device and shooting. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Neve Shaanan Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Hebrew University massacre Bomber was from East Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Meron Junction Bus 361 attack Arab bomber with Israeli citizenship. Hamas claimed responsibility.
1st Umm al-Fahm bombing The Palestinian exploded in a taxi killing himself and wounding an Israeli-Arab driver from Nazareth.
2nd Umm al-Fahm bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Geha road bombing October 10, 2002 Bar-Ilan interchange, Geha road 1 Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karkur junction suicide bombing Suicide bombers Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Sonol gas station bombing Victims killed while trying to prevent the Palestinian from detonating the bomb. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Kfar Saba shopping mall bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Kiryat Menachem bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
​

Both the Permanent Court of Justice, International Court of Justice have never brought the Arab Palestinians to Justice. Even recently, The ICJ denied Israel's right to self-defense saying: Self-defence - Article 51 of the Charter - Attacks against Israel not imputable to a foreign State - Threat invoked to justify the construction of the wall originating within a territory over which Israel exercises control - Article 51 not relevant in the present case. This material error in judgement, rests upon the Armistice Lines that the Palestinians were never a party to, to begin with and that the Armistice Line only remained in force until a peaceful settlement bThe Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was achieved [Article XII (2) of Armistice Agreement] The ICC Court Judges have, under the color of authority, ordered the Prosecutor to re-examine the Mavi Marmara decision --- casting a serious spotlight on the impact of political of the Judges to remain unbiased; given that th Flotilla acted in a manner consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person; by first announcing they intended to run a posted blockade, and then attempting to run the blockade. Similarly, the ICC allowed the Palestinians to file a series of 520 complaints (Frivolous ≈ 73%) for the period 1 August 2014 to 30 June 2015:

• 383 were manifestly outside the Court’s jurisdiction;
• 36 were unrelated to current situations and warranted further analysis;
• 68 were linked to a situation already under analysis; and
• 33 were linked to an investigation or prosecution.
​

There is no question in my mind that the ICJ and the ICC are under the pressure if Islamic Extremist and afraid if the court does nothing, these Islamic Extremist will initiate domestic disturbances in Europe. For this and other reasons, neither court should have jurisdiction as they are contaminated. Neither court attempts to demonstrate the slightest bit of integrity and is a demonstrated failure to observe standards or show due honesty. They have shaken the foundation of credibility once held by the court. This will create a crisis in which the single-sided prosecution of the Jewish State in the selective enforcement of the ICC, will bring the relevance of the court into question.

The UNRWA appears to have had employees with very close (if not direct) connections with HAMAS. Over 50% of the Gaza Population are receiving some sort of handout from the UNRWA. That is kind of hard to believe since less than 3% were even old enough to have been around during the Israeli attack by the Arab League Forces in 1948-49 (War of Independence).

Most Respectfully,
R

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

Stevie bhoy, I didn't realize you were a stand-up comedian, until now. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your dingo.

 

[theliq]

theliq, Boston1, et al,

Wow... I have ofter heard pro-Palestinians speak out of turn, relative to their "right to use all means necessary'" without regard to the law. They have often defended their right to attack unarmed civilians. They have indeed perfected the art of attacking unarmed civilians since before the time of the Six Day War.

I don't think there is any doubt the UN is an extremely bias organization. Even its chair admits it is

Ban Ki-moon Admits United Nations Anti-Israel Bias | Jewish ...

Ban Ki-moon Admits: UN is Biased Against Israel - Arutz ...

WATCH: UN Chief Admits Bias AGAINST Israel | United with ...

UN chief admits bias against Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews

UN CHIEF BAN KI-MOON ADMITS THE UN HAS BIAS ...

Myths & Facts: Human Rights (Chapter 18) | Jewish Virtual ...

CREEP/S ........ NEVER HEARD YOU MOANING IN 1948 ABOUT THE U.N..Huh the IRONY IS,that you use this Organization as an authority for your actual existence..then ignore and Slag them off,when they try to bring you to HEEL................No one is really bias about Israel,except in the minds of Zionist Terrorist Jews in Israel and elsewhere........... because they never comply to anything the UN or the US says......unless it suits them......anyway....Israel are a Poor Civic Citizen within the World Community.........Always crying Wolf or Anti-Semitism or other such CRAP........Israel are BIAS AGAINST EVERYONE WHEN IT SUITS THEM.........They are such Bores,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have an extensive history and a pattern of unchallengeable criminal behavior. Yet, not once have the Palestinians really faced international condemnation and criminal prosecution. Not once have the Hostile Arab Palestinians made to make restitution for the crimes of terrorism they have committed; or the actions that have been established as Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

I find it very damn strange that the International Community, not once --- even after the 1972 Munich Massacre at the Olympics, challenged and held the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the accountable. The International Community allowed the armed Palestinian fedayeen to attempt the assassination of the Jordanian King, not once -- but twice in 1970. Nor were the Hostile Arab Palestinians held accountable for:

Tel Aviv outdoor mall bombing - 25 injured Double Suicide attack, carried out by Palestinian Islamic Jihad together with Fatah.
Jaffa Street bombing First female suicide bomber in Al-Aqsa Intifada, Wafa Idris. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Tayibe bombing Tayibe Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karnei Shomron Mall suicide bombing West Bank PFLP claimed responsibility.[
Maale Adumim - Jerusalem road bombing explosive that was detonated by the driver of the car he was checking. Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Maccabim bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Yeshivat Beit Yisrael massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Ariel hotel lobby bombing PFLP claimed responsibility.
Café Moment bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 22 bombing Injured Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
King George Street bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Passover massacre Suicide attack on Passover seder in Park Hotel. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Kiryat HaYovel supermarket bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street coffee shop bombing March 30, 2002 Tel Aviv 1 Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Baqa al-Gharbiyah bombing Booby-trapped vehicle that Palestinians tried to sneak into Israel.
Matza restaurant suicide bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Efrat Medical Center Hamas claimed responsibility.
Jerusalem Roadblock bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Yagur Junction bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
3rd Mahane Yehuda Market attack Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Rishon LeZion bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Netanya Market bombing Hamas together with PFLP.
Afula road bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Rothschild Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Studio 49 Disco bombing The security guard opened fire on a Palestinian attempting to detonate a car bomb.
Petah Tikva Mall bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Megiddo Junction bus bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Herzliya shawarma restaurant bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Patt Junction Bus Bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
French Hill Junction massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Immanuel bus attack Detonation of an explosive device and shooting. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Neve Shaanan Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Hebrew University massacre Bomber was from East Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Meron Junction Bus 361 attack Arab bomber with Israeli citizenship. Hamas claimed responsibility.
1st Umm al-Fahm bombing The Palestinian exploded in a taxi killing himself and wounding an Israeli-Arab driver from Nazareth.
2nd Umm al-Fahm bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Geha road bombing October 10, 2002 Bar-Ilan interchange, Geha road 1 Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karkur junction suicide bombing Suicide bombers Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Sonol gas station bombing Victims killed while trying to prevent the Palestinian from detonating the bomb. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Kfar Saba shopping mall bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Kiryat Menachem bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
​

Both the Permanent Court of Justice, International Court of Justice have never brought the Arab Palestinians to Justice. Even recently, The ICJ denied Israel's right to self-defense saying: Self-defence - Article 51 of the Charter - Attacks against Israel not imputable to a foreign State - Threat invoked to justify the construction of the wall originating within a territory over which Israel exercises control - Article 51 not relevant in the present case. This material error in judgement, rests upon the Armistice Lines that the Palestinians were never a party to, to begin with and that the Armistice Line only remained in force until a peaceful settlement bThe Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was achieved [Article XII (2) of Armistice Agreement] The ICC Court Judges have, under the color of authority, ordered the Prosecutor to re-examine the Mavi Marmara decision --- casting a serious spotlight on the impact of political of the Judges to remain unbiased; given that th Flotilla acted in a manner consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person; by first announcing they intended to run a posted blockade, and then attempting to run the blockade. Similarly, the ICC allowed the Palestinians to file a series of 520 complaints (Frivolous ≈ 73%) for the period 1 August 2014 to 30 June 2015:

• 383 were manifestly outside the Court’s jurisdiction;
• 36 were unrelated to current situations and warranted further analysis;
• 68 were linked to a situation already under analysis; and
• 33 were linked to an investigation or prosecution.
​

There is no question in my mind that the ICJ and the ICC are under the pressure if Islamic Extremist and afraid if the court does nothing, these Islamic Extremist will initiate domestic disturbances in Europe. For this and other reasons, neither court should have jurisdiction as they are contaminated. Neither court attempts to demonstrate the slightest bit of integrity and is a demonstrated failure to observe standards or show due honesty. They have shaken the foundation of credibility once held by the court. This will create a crisis in which the single-sided prosecution of the Jewish State in the selective enforcement of the ICC, will bring the relevance of the court into question.

The UNRWA appears to have had employees with very close (if not direct) connections with HAMAS. Over 50% of the Gaza Population are receiving some sort of handout from the UNRWA. That is kind of hard to believe since less than 3% were even old enough to have been around during the Israeli attack by the Arab League Forces in 1948-49 (War of Independence).

Most Respectfully,
R

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

All from Jewish source,which is very conservative.....no bias from me

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

Stevie bhoy, I didn't realize you were a stand-up comedian, until now. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your dingo.

Well yes just another of my talents but you may think that my truth is a Joke but to me NOT......But seasons greeting to you my friend Hoss from me and my dog LOL

 

[theliq]

theliq, Boston1, et al,

Wow... I have ofter heard pro-Palestinians speak out of turn, relative to their "right to use all means necessary'" without regard to the law. They have often defended their right to attack unarmed civilians. They have indeed perfected the art of attacking unarmed civilians since before the time of the Six Day War.

I don't think there is any doubt the UN is an extremely bias organization. Even its chair admits it is

Ban Ki-moon Admits United Nations Anti-Israel Bias | Jewish ...

Ban Ki-moon Admits: UN is Biased Against Israel - Arutz ...

WATCH: UN Chief Admits Bias AGAINST Israel | United with ...

UN chief admits bias against Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews

UN CHIEF BAN KI-MOON ADMITS THE UN HAS BIAS ...

Myths & Facts: Human Rights (Chapter 18) | Jewish Virtual ...

CREEP/S ........ NEVER HEARD YOU MOANING IN 1948 ABOUT THE U.N..Huh the IRONY IS,that you use this Organization as an authority for your actual existence..then ignore and Slag them off,when they try to bring you to HEEL................No one is really bias about Israel,except in the minds of Zionist Terrorist Jews in Israel and elsewhere........... because they never comply to anything the UN or the US says......unless it suits them......anyway....Israel are a Poor Civic Citizen within the World Community.........Always crying Wolf or Anti-Semitism or other such CRAP........Israel are BIAS AGAINST EVERYONE WHEN IT SUITS THEM.........They are such Bores,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have an extensive history and a pattern of unchallengeable criminal behavior. Yet, not once have the Palestinians really faced international condemnation and criminal prosecution. Not once have the Hostile Arab Palestinians made to make restitution for the crimes of terrorism they have committed; or the actions that have been established as Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

I find it very damn strange that the International Community, not once --- even after the 1972 Munich Massacre at the Olympics, challenged and held the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the accountable. The International Community allowed the armed Palestinian fedayeen to attempt the assassination of the Jordanian King, not once -- but twice in 1970. Nor were the Hostile Arab Palestinians held accountable for:

Tel Aviv outdoor mall bombing - 25 injured Double Suicide attack, carried out by Palestinian Islamic Jihad together with Fatah.
Jaffa Street bombing First female suicide bomber in Al-Aqsa Intifada, Wafa Idris. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Tayibe bombing Tayibe Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karnei Shomron Mall suicide bombing West Bank PFLP claimed responsibility.[
Maale Adumim - Jerusalem road bombing explosive that was detonated by the driver of the car he was checking. Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Maccabim bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Yeshivat Beit Yisrael massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Ariel hotel lobby bombing PFLP claimed responsibility.
Café Moment bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 22 bombing Injured Hamas claimed responsibility.
Egged bus 823 bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
King George Street bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Passover massacre Suicide attack on Passover seder in Park Hotel. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Kiryat HaYovel supermarket bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street coffee shop bombing March 30, 2002 Tel Aviv 1 Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Baqa al-Gharbiyah bombing Booby-trapped vehicle that Palestinians tried to sneak into Israel.
Matza restaurant suicide bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Efrat Medical Center Hamas claimed responsibility.
Jerusalem Roadblock bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Yagur Junction bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
3rd Mahane Yehuda Market attack Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Rishon LeZion bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Netanya Market bombing Hamas together with PFLP.
Afula road bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Rothschild Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Studio 49 Disco bombing The security guard opened fire on a Palestinian attempting to detonate a car bomb.
Petah Tikva Mall bombing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Megiddo Junction bus bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Herzliya shawarma restaurant bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Patt Junction Bus Bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
French Hill Junction massacre Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
Immanuel bus attack Detonation of an explosive device and shooting. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Neve Shaanan Street bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Hebrew University massacre Bomber was from East Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Meron Junction Bus 361 attack Arab bomber with Israeli citizenship. Hamas claimed responsibility.
1st Umm al-Fahm bombing The Palestinian exploded in a taxi killing himself and wounding an Israeli-Arab driver from Nazareth.
2nd Umm al-Fahm bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Allenby Street bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
Geha road bombing October 10, 2002 Bar-Ilan interchange, Geha road 1 Hamas claimed responsibility.
Karkur junction suicide bombing Suicide bombers Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Sonol gas station bombing Victims killed while trying to prevent the Palestinian from detonating the bomb. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Kfar Saba shopping mall bombing Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Kiryat Menachem bus bombing Hamas claimed responsibility.
​

Both the Permanent Court of Justice, International Court of Justice have never brought the Arab Palestinians to Justice. Even recently, The ICJ denied Israel's right to self-defense saying: Self-defence - Article 51 of the Charter - Attacks against Israel not imputable to a foreign State - Threat invoked to justify the construction of the wall originating within a territory over which Israel exercises control - Article 51 not relevant in the present case. This material error in judgement, rests upon the Armistice Lines that the Palestinians were never a party to, to begin with and that the Armistice Line only remained in force until a peaceful settlement bThe Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was achieved [Article XII (2) of Armistice Agreement] The ICC Court Judges have, under the color of authority, ordered the Prosecutor to re-examine the Mavi Marmara decision --- casting a serious spotlight on the impact of political of the Judges to remain unbiased; given that th Flotilla acted in a manner consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person; by first announcing they intended to run a posted blockade, and then attempting to run the blockade. Similarly, the ICC allowed the Palestinians to file a series of 520 complaints (Frivolous ≈ 73%) for the period 1 August 2014 to 30 June 2015:

• 383 were manifestly outside the Court’s jurisdiction;
• 36 were unrelated to current situations and warranted further analysis;
• 68 were linked to a situation already under analysis; and
• 33 were linked to an investigation or prosecution.
​

There is no question in my mind that the ICJ and the ICC are under the pressure if Islamic Extremist and afraid if the court does nothing, these Islamic Extremist will initiate domestic disturbances in Europe. For this and other reasons, neither court should have jurisdiction as they are contaminated. Neither court attempts to demonstrate the slightest bit of integrity and is a demonstrated failure to observe standards or show due honesty. They have shaken the foundation of credibility once held by the court. This will create a crisis in which the single-sided prosecution of the Jewish State in the selective enforcement of the ICC, will bring the relevance of the court into question.

The UNRWA appears to have had employees with very close (if not direct) connections with HAMAS. Over 50% of the Gaza Population are receiving some sort of handout from the UNRWA. That is kind of hard to believe since less than 3% were even old enough to have been around during the Israeli attack by the Arab League Forces in 1948-49 (War of Independence).

Most Respectfully,
R

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

Stevie bhoy, I didn't realize you were a stand-up comedian, until now. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your dingo.

Well yes just another of my talents but you may think that my truth is a Joke but to me NOT......But seasons greeting to you my friend Hoss from me and my dog LOL

I also administer a Truth Potion for Guys like you,Jroc,and all and am getting so proficient at it.....I inject it through the eye of your Cock..Ouch,....LOL Etianne

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

I'll talk that as a left-handed complement --- anyway.

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

(COMMENT)

I don't particularly care for Dr Noam Chomsky, but every once in a while, he comes out with a nugget of pure gold.

“Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.”
― Noam Chomsky, PhD​

In any dissension of a political nature, --- Good 'vs' Evil --- Right 'vs' Wrong --- Human 'vs' Cylon --- Peace 'vs' Jihad --- there is an element in which conflicting moral teachings from our individual societies confront secular or compliance oriented leadership.

One side of the equation says:

• It cannot intentionally target the civilian population.
​

The other side of the equation says:

• It may incite jihad, act of terrorism, and calls for disturbances (intifada) with impunity.
• It may use Protected persons to commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, they may commit acts of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power; or offenses which caused the death with impunity.
• It may intentionally attack, kidnap and murder Civilians in the course of operations.
• It has the right to use any and all means to combat Israel.
• It may locate any Military offensive weapons and launch from any Densely Populated Areas use to shield military objectives.
• It is not required to extract civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military offensive operations.
• It may use civilian or other protected person to cover and concealment to areas or military operations.
• It may use UN and ICRC emblems, markings, facilities and equipment to cover and conceal military operations.
​

You may choose which is "good" and which is "evil."

There is no life to be found in violence. Every act of violence brings us closer to death.
Whether it's the mundane violence we do to our bodies by overeating toxic food or drink or the extreme violence of child abuse,
domestic warfare, life-threatening poverty, addiction, or state terrorism.
Dr Gloria Jean Watkins (literary double: Bell Hooks)
​

I defend the concept that: nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. IF: You want to call that "Indefensible." THEN we are on opposite ends of the equation. If my cause for the protection, preservation, security and cultural development of a societal clan that has nearly gone extinct several times, then --- I defend the indefensible against the Arab Intolerance and Islamic Radicalism. It is what it is --- I am what I am.

First, the numbers mean nothing. They are absolute values and have nothing to do with the basic equation about whether the question is --- Good 'vs' Evil --- Right 'vs' Wrong --- Jewish People 'vs' Arab Jihadist ... Your imbalance of casualties is merely an appeal for sympathy from those (individually or collectively) having a higher power --- those that have the ability to change the course of human events in either direction.

It must be understood that in a life and death struggle, there is no alternative for the Jewish People. If they lose (not an option) even one major confrontation, their right-to-self-determination will fall and the world will see the extinction of the (not "a" Jewish State but the) only Jewish State. On the other hand, if the Arabs of Palestinians fail, it will be just another case --- in a long list --- of the many Arab/Muslim states that have failed, have been conquered, or have been destroyed (largely by their own hand); or Arab tribes that have been consolidated or assimilated into a larger --- more powerful and effective Arab State.

Yes, it must be true, that I defend the indefensible --- A Peaceful Jewish State --- out numbered in every case, attack by the Arab League more than once --- and​

 

[montelatici]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

 

[Hossfly]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

theliq, et al,

I'll talk that as a left-handed complement --- anyway.

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

(COMMENT)

I don't particularly care for Dr Noam Chomsky, but every once in a while, he comes out with a nugget of pure gold.

“Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.”
― Noam Chomsky, PhD​

In any dissension of a political nature, --- Good 'vs' Evil --- Right 'vs' Wrong --- Human 'vs' Cylon --- Peace 'vs' Jihad --- there is an element in which conflicting moral teachings from our individual societies confront secular or compliance oriented leadership.

One side of the equation says:

• It cannot intentionally target the civilian population.
​

The other side of the equation says:

• It may incite jihad, act of terrorism, and calls for disturbances (intifada) with impunity.
• It may use Protected persons to commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, they may commit acts of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power; or offenses which caused the death with impunity.
• It may intentionally attack, kidnap and murder Civilians in the course of operations.
• It has the right to use any and all means to combat Israel.
• It may locate any Military offensive weapons and launch from any Densely Populated Areas use to shield military objectives.
• It is not required to extract civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military offensive operations.
• It may use civilian or other protected person to cover and concealment to areas or military operations.
• It may use UN and ICRC emblems, markings, facilities and equipment to cover and conceal military operations.
​

You may choose which is "good" and which is "evil."

There is no life to be found in violence. Every act of violence brings us closer to death.
Whether it's the mundane violence we do to our bodies by overeating toxic food or drink or the extreme violence of child abuse,
domestic warfare, life-threatening poverty, addiction, or state terrorism.
Dr Gloria Jean Watkins (literary double: Bell Hooks)
​

I defend the concept that: nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. IF: You want to call that "Indefensible." THEN we are on opposite ends of the equation. If my cause for the protection, preservation, security and cultural development of a societal clan that has nearly gone extinct several times, then --- I defend the indefensible against the Arab Intolerance and Islamic Radicalism. It is what it is --- I am what I am.

First, the numbers mean nothing. They are absolute values and have nothing to do with the basic equation about whether the question is --- Good 'vs' Evil --- Right 'vs' Wrong --- Jewish People 'vs' Arab Jihadist ... Your imbalance of casualties is merely an appeal for sympathy from those (individually or collectively) having a higher power --- those that have the ability to change the course of human events in either direction.

It must be understood that in a life and death struggle, there is no alternative for the Jewish People. If they lose (not an option) even one major confrontation, their right-to-self-determination will fall and the world will see the extinction of the (not "a" Jewish State but the) only Jewish State. On the other hand, if the Arabs of Palestinians fail, it will be just another case --- in a long list --- of the many Arab/Muslim states that have failed, have been conquered, or have been destroyed (largely by their own hand); or Arab tribes that have been consolidated or assimilated into a larger --- more powerful and effective Arab State.

Yes, it must be true, that I defend the indefensible --- A Peaceful Jewish State --- out numbered in every case, attack by the Arab League more than once --- and​

I defend the concept that: nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts.​

But you are a major apologist for Israeli state terrorism.

How do you square that circle?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Not to mention that expelled Palestinians are more of a threat than those still in country.

 

[Hollie]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

 

[hadit]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard that before. But you don't offer much in support of a counter arguement,

But you are a major apologist for Israeli state terrorism.

How do you square that circle?

(COMMENT)

State Terrorism (acts of terrorism conducted by a state) in order to be intelligible, must have a definition of "terrorism" to adequately accuse Israel of committing.

On the other hand, the attempts by the State of Israel at disrupting, dismantling, and eventually defeating Palestinians, and their affiliates, in their unlawful use or threatened use of force and violence against the sovereignty of the State of Israel --- it's security of Israeli citizens and national interests is called "counterterrorism." It is something much different. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TERMINATING TOO MANY TERRORIST! ( A ratio of 1 innocent Israeli to 100 HoAP is good; 1 to 1000 is better. But the death of one citizen from HoAP activity is still too many.) The numbers may look lopsided; but, this is the true face and nature of a successful counterterrorism program.

• Defeat terrorist organizations of a global reach
• Deny terrorists the sponsorship, support, and sanctuary they need to survive
• Diminish the underlying conditions that promote the despair and destructive visions of political change that lead people to embrace terrorism
• Defend against terrorist attacks, our citizens and our interests around the world
​

And it is not terrorism to put the greatest focus of fear on the terrorist. The maximization in degrading the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), --- killing or capturing key lieutenants, eliminating safe-havens, facilities, and encampments is just one single operational aspect for successfully disrupting existing lines of HoAP support. The fact that the HoAP terrorist, and there affiliated (active or passive) support groups, are terrorized by the notion that they may themselves be targeted for detection, exploration and neutralization IS NOT terrorism; but "counterterrorism."

For the HoAP, it is like looking into the mirror. They will see the fear they intended to disseminate --- coming back to them. Any day is a good day to neutralize a terrorist. The hope is that someday there will be no further people needed for Counterterrorism Programs because there will be no more HoAP to neutralize.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard that before. But you don't offer much in support of a counter arguement,

But you are a major apologist for Israeli state terrorism.

How do you square that circle?

(COMMENT)

State Terrorism (acts of terrorism conducted by a state) in order to be intelligible, must have a definition of "terrorism" to adequately accuse Israel of committing.

On the other hand, the attempts by the State of Israel at disrupting, dismantling, and eventually defeating Palestinians, and their affiliates, in their unlawful use or threatened use of force and violence against the sovereignty of the State of Israel --- it's security of Israeli citizens and national interests is called "counterterrorism." It is something much different. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TERMINATING TOO MANY TERRORIST! ( A ratio of 1 innocent Israeli to 100 HoAP is good; 1 to 1000 is better. But the death of one citizen from HoAP activity is still too many.) The numbers may look lopsided; but, this is the true face and nature of a successful counterterrorism program.

• Defeat terrorist organizations of a global reach
• Deny terrorists the sponsorship, support, and sanctuary they need to survive
• Diminish the underlying conditions that promote the despair and destructive visions of political change that lead people to embrace terrorism
• Defend against terrorist attacks, our citizens and our interests around the world
​

And it is not terrorism to put the greatest focus of fear on the terrorist. The maximization in degrading the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), --- killing or capturing key lieutenants, eliminating safe-havens, facilities, and encampments is just one single operational aspect for successfully disrupting existing lines of HoAP support. The fact that the HoAP terrorist, and there affiliated (active or passive) support groups, are terrorized by the notion that they may themselves be targeted for detection, exploration and neutralization IS NOT terrorism; but "counterterrorism."

For the HoAP, it is like looking into the mirror. They will see the fear they intended to disseminate --- coming back to them. Any day is a good day to neutralize a terrorist. The hope is that someday there will be no further people needed for Counterterrorism Programs because there will be no more HoAP to neutralize.

Most Respectfully,
R

You sound remarkably like the enablers of Apartheid that labeled the liberation movements in Apartheid South Africa as terrorists.

“A considerable number of the ANC leaders are Communists… When the ANC says that they will target British companies, this shows what a typical terrorist organisation it is. I fought terrorism all my life… I will have nothing to do with any organisation that practises violence. I have never seen anyone from ANC or the PLO or the IRA and would not do so.”

Margaret Thatcher

 

[theliq]

theliq, et al,

I'll talk that as a left-handed complement --- anyway.

WHAT A WONDERFUL POST FROM ROCCO.........NOT...the reality is thus.......

The Facts are during this conflict...PALESTINIAN DEATHS...94,765///////87,307 MAIMED.......ISRAELI DEATHS.....24,969//////28,000 MAIMED

in 2014.............US "AID" TO ISRAEL....$10 MILLION PER DAY TO ISRAEL...............NIL TO PALESTINIANS

HOUSE DEMOLITIONS ..ISRAEL NIL..........PALESTINIANS.........28,217(this does not include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian HOMES destroyed circa 1948-1950 when the policy was to RAZE Palestinian Villages and Towns......and forced deportations of Palestinians.so that the Jewish powers at be........ could continue their LIE that these areas we NOT HABITATED.this Bullshit continues today

IMPRISONED.....ISRAELIS NIL................PALESTINIANS.......6,743

You see Rocco with respect,your tally does not stand up to real theliq scrutiny....I know you like to defend Israel but you are defending the indefensible

(COMMENT)

I don't particularly care for Dr Noam Chomsky, but every once in a while, he comes out with a nugget of pure gold.

“Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.”
― Noam Chomsky, PhD​

In any dissension of a political nature, --- Good 'vs' Evil --- Right 'vs' Wrong --- Human 'vs' Cylon --- Peace 'vs' Jihad --- there is an element in which conflicting moral teachings from our individual societies confront secular or compliance oriented leadership.

One side of the equation says:

• It cannot intentionally target the civilian population.
​

The other side of the equation says:

• It may incite jihad, act of terrorism, and calls for disturbances (intifada) with impunity.
• It may use Protected persons to commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, they may commit acts of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power; or offenses which caused the death with impunity.
• It may intentionally attack, kidnap and murder Civilians in the course of operations.
• It has the right to use any and all means to combat Israel.
• It may locate any Military offensive weapons and launch from any Densely Populated Areas use to shield military objectives.
• It is not required to extract civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military offensive operations.
• It may use civilian or other protected person to cover and concealment to areas or military operations.
• It may use UN and ICRC emblems, markings, facilities and equipment to cover and conceal military operations.
​

You may choose which is "good" and which is "evil."

There is no life to be found in violence. Every act of violence brings us closer to death.
Whether it's the mundane violence we do to our bodies by overeating toxic food or drink or the extreme violence of child abuse,
domestic warfare, life-threatening poverty, addiction, or state terrorism.
Dr Gloria Jean Watkins (literary double: Bell Hooks)
​

I defend the concept that: nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. IF: You want to call that "Indefensible." THEN we are on opposite ends of the equation. If my cause for the protection, preservation, security and cultural development of a societal clan that has nearly gone extinct several times, then --- I defend the indefensible against the Arab Intolerance and Islamic Radicalism. It is what it is --- I am what I am.

First, the numbers mean nothing. They are absolute values and have nothing to do with the basic equation about whether the question is --- Good 'vs' Evil --- Right 'vs' Wrong --- Jewish People 'vs' Arab Jihadist ... Your imbalance of casualties is merely an appeal for sympathy from those (individually or collectively) having a higher power --- those that have the ability to change the course of human events in either direction.

It must be understood that in a life and death struggle, there is no alternative for the Jewish People. If they lose (not an option) even one major confrontation, their right-to-self-determination will fall and the world will see the extinction of the (not "a" Jewish State but the) only Jewish State. On the other hand, if the Arabs of Palestinians fail, it will be just another case --- in a long list --- of the many Arab/Muslim states that have failed, have been conquered, or have been destroyed (largely by their own hand); or Arab tribes that have been consolidated or assimilated into a larger --- more powerful and effective Arab State.

Yes, it must be true, that I defend the indefensible --- A Peaceful Jewish State --- out numbered in every case, attack by the Arab League more than once --- and​

Gee Rocco I always though the US as being the 2nd State of Israel........but anyway this is a thread on Israel and the Palestinians,who are not Jihardists but a people reclaiming their lives and land back.

How can you call the Jewish Terrorist Groups before and after 1948 not Terrorists,or is that something that has slipped your mind again........Israel was born through Terrorism,Zionists and other..........for you to espouse Israel as squeaky clean, clearly shows how Deluded you are......You cannot re-write history as you try to.............Why are Jews always Right to you,despite a history of barbarity,inparticular to the Palestinians.

This is a Life and Death struggle for the Palestinians too Rocco,something you never mention.....I believe in a 2 State Solution,my truthful statement(Jewish Sourced by the way) on the Deaths and Maimings are lopsided in favour of the Jews,it is an imbalance but neither the Palestinians or I seek Sympathy at all but remining you of the shocking truth.A word not clearly understood by you obviously.

Don't lie to me,You clearly defend Terrorism in all it's guises.......I don't believe in a one state solution and neither do the majority of Israelis......the problem in Israel at the moment is that the Mad Men are in Power and as Mad as Cut Snakes they are.

You Guys are so negative,thankfully some Israelis are doing a Great Job,for instance the current effort to educate the Bedouin sic population in Israel and prevent them being indoctoriated sic by the likes of ISIS, this is a Jewish/Palestinian collaboration and working well.....Everything Rocco is in Israels hands they have the Power for real change and hopefully this will happen.....Others may hate Israel I do not neither do the Palestinians,not forgetting they lived together for thousands of years...It could all be so different........Trouble is at present it is the Mad Minority on both side causing mayhem..So don't you become one of them my friend,Together both these peoples can create a Peaceful Solution............Best Regards Steve

 

[Challenger]

Fair enough, what's so sacred about the 1949 ceasefire lines? Perhaps we should address the Palestinian territory seized by Zionist Israel and occupied illegally since 1948?

Why is Israel the only nation whose annexation of land won in a defensive war gets called "illegal"?

Because it was illegal when Zionist israel did it.

Right, because it's illegal (only when Israel does it, of course) for a nation to defend itself and seize territory in the process.

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

 

[hadit]

Why is Israel the only nation whose annexation of land won in a defensive war gets called "illegal"?

Because it was illegal when Zionist israel did it.

Right, because it's illegal (only when Israel does it, of course) for a nation to defend itself and seize territory in the process.

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

 

[montelatici]

Because it was illegal when Zionist israel did it.

Right, because it's illegal (only when Israel does it, of course) for a nation to defend itself and seize territory in the process.

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

 

[theliq]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

 

[theliq]

Because it was illegal when Zionist israel did it.

Right, because it's illegal (only when Israel does it, of course) for a nation to defend itself and seize territory in the process.

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I don't think so.....most want a FAIR,YES FAIR......2 State Solution,not the 1 State Solution Dopes like you want and their in lies the problem.

 

[Hollie]

Right, because it's illegal (only when Israel does it, of course) for a nation to defend itself and seize territory in the process.

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

I think you will find that the Islamic colonizers are being forced out of the lands they colonized earlier. Call it social Darwinism if you like but much like the Islamic Crusaders / colonizers were given the Bum's Rush out of Europe, the Islamic colonizers are being forced out of the lands known as the disputed territories. It happens when a modern, technical culture collides with a retrograde one.