So, let's go ahead and go back to the '1967' borders and end the 'occupation'

[Boston1]

If the palestinians are going to insist on a four state solution; Jordan, Gaza and the disputed territories vs Israel then NO there isn't likely to be an agreement anytime soon. If the palestinians are going to try and impose a hostile nation within a nation type settlement then no there isn't going to be an agreement anytime soon. If the palestinians are going to insist on violence as a means of negotiating then no, there isn't going to be an agreement anytime soon.

Ad infinitum

The deal is if the palestinians would like to act like civilized people and negotiate in good faith then sure. But who is Israel going to negotiate with ? There is no one presently representing the palestinians or speaking for them or even just governing them. There simply isn't anyone for the Israeli's to negotiate with who has both the authority and the power to enforce those negotiations within the palestinian population

 

[Indeependent]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

"the last time this was close"
1985? Not even close...
Ehud Olmert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[theliq]

If the palestinians are going to insist on a four state solution; Jordan, Gaza and the disputed territories vs Israel then NO there isn't likely to be an agreement anytime soon. If the palestinians are going to try and impose a hostile nation within a nation type settlement then no there isn't going to be an agreement anytime soon. If the palestinians are going to insist on violence as a means of negotiating then no, there isn't going to be an agreement anytime soon.

Ad infinitum

The deal is if the palestinians would like to act like civilized people and negotiate in good faith then sure. But who is Israel going to negotiate with ? There is no one presently representing the palestinians or speaking for them or even just governing them. There simply isn't anyone for the Israeli's to negotiate with who has both the authority and the power to enforce those negotiations within the palestinian population

refer to my previous post,when there was the Israeli negotiator was Assinated......

 

[theliq]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

"the last time this was close"
1985? Not even close...
Ehud Olmert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was actually and what did you and your cronies do.......Assinated Mr Rabin,former Security and Head of the Military and later Prime Minister.......there was a real Man and a real Jew

 

[Indeependent]

Like most recent colonial projects that were unable to completely eliminate the native people, Israel will fail. It is just a matter of time. 2 generations maybe 3 at most. Demographics in the territory controlled by Israel will become overwhelmingly non-Jewish in that time.

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

"the last time this was close"
1985? Not even close...
Ehud Olmert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was actually and what did you and your cronies do.......Assinated Mr Rabin,former Security and Head of the Military and later Prime Minister.......there was a real Man and a real Jew

Rabin was a pussy.
2008...an offer...a refusal...what a shock.

 

[theliq]

Actually, it was the Ottoman colonial project that failed to eliminate the Jews.

More recently, it was the arab-moslem jihad projects (plural) that failed to eliminate the Jews.

The arab-moslem jihadists have failed consistently and have already lost their appetite for dying. Another couple of generations and the the arab-moslems will realize their gee-had - it be broken.

You can do your own gee-had'in, wannabe.

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

"the last time this was close"
1985? Not even close...
Ehud Olmert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was actually and what did you and your cronies do.......Assinated Mr Rabin,former Security and Head of the Military and later Prime Minister.......there was a real Man and a real Jew

Rabin was a pussy.
2008...an offer...a refusal...what a shock.

O Yeah........He was the Greatest Jew in Israels History by far.........Head of Israeli Security.....Head of the Armed Forces and Prime Minister......He and Mr Peres knew that Peace was achievable moreover a 2 State Solution and self determination for the Palestinians.........He was Greatly Admired World Wide.

For a Curr like you to say such hienious ROT merely shows us all such DEPRAVITY Jews like you have become..........it rhymes, SCUM.

Respect to Mr Rabin.......Respect to decent Jews,Respect to the Palestinians....................you merely walk in the shadows

 

[Indeependent]

Interesting how so many for so long have attempted to eliminate Jews from the planet, and all have failed, miserably. In fact, Jews today have their own home land, from which they will not leave. In addition, they have successfully, on multiple occasions, defended that home land against multiple attacks from multiple foes. It's almost as if someone far more powerful than all the irrational haters is protecting them and making them prosper.

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

"the last time this was close"
1985? Not even close...
Ehud Olmert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was actually and what did you and your cronies do.......Assinated Mr Rabin,former Security and Head of the Military and later Prime Minister.......there was a real Man and a real Jew

Rabin was a pussy.
2008...an offer...a refusal...what a shock.

O Yeah........He was the Greatest Jew in Israels History by far.........Head of Israeli Security.....Head of the Armed Forces and Prime Minister......He and Mr Peres knew that Peace was achievable moreover a 2 State Solution and self determination for the Palestinians.........He was Greatly Admired World Wide.

For a Curr like you to say such hienious ROT merely shows us all such DEPRAVITY Jews like you have become..........it rhymes, SCUM.

Respect to Mr Rabin.......Respect to decent Jews,Respect to the Palestinians....................you merely walk in the shadows

Kiss my a$$, self-hating, piece of shit, assimilated Jew.
Rabin was on the threshold of destroying Israel.
He flushed a brilliant past away probably because he was offered a mansion in France next to Mrs. Arafat.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Right, because it's illegal (only when Israel does it, of course) for a nation to defend itself and seize territory in the process.

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

BDS is a call for equality.

 

[Indeependent]

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

BDS is a call for equality.

REALLY?
Do Shiites call for boycotts against Sunnis?
Do Sunnis call for boycotts against Shiites?
How about Kurds?
Actually, what I like about Muslims is that they don't boycott each other, they Murder each other and then blame in on the JOOS.

 

[Boston1]

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

BDS is a call for equality.

No, IBS is a front.

Israel is not an apartheid state, which is the whole premise that IBS is filed under.

The simple reality is that the war must end and negotiations must begin. No one wants to see innocent civilians getting hurt. Stop the violence and start the negotiations. But first stop the violence. You can't expect Israel to drop its guard in the face of an ongoing war.

The problem is that the palestinians have one state already and very likely another eventually so negotiating a third is kinda disingenuous when the original intention was for a two state solution. Jordan needs to step up and quit discrimination against the palestinians who want to emigrate there. Gaza as well.

As it sits there will be no return to the 67 borders which the palestinians or the Arab stated never recognized anyway right up until they realized the Israeli's had won militarily and there would be no victory other than at the negotiating table.

While Israel has always been willing to offer land for peace, this particular land is vital to national security in an atmosphere of ongoing hostilities

the palestinians only hope is to end the hostilities BEFORE entering into serious negotiations with a leadership that is actually in control of ALL the palestinains

 

[montelatici]

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

BDS is a call for equality.

No, IBS is a front.

Israel is not an apartheid state, which is the whole premise that IBS is filed under.

The simple reality is that the war must end and negotiations must begin. No one wants to see innocent civilians getting hurt. Stop the violence and start the negotiations. But first stop the violence. You can't expect Israel to drop its guard in the face of an ongoing war.

The problem is that the palestinians have one state already and very likely another eventually so negotiating a third is kinda disingenuous when the original intention was for a two state solution. Jordan needs to step up and quit discrimination against the palestinians who want to emigrate there. Gaza as well.

As it sits there will be no return to the 67 borders which the palestinians or the Arab stated never recognized anyway right up until they realized the Israeli's had won militarily and there would be no victory other than at the negotiating table.

While Israel has always been willing to offer land for peace, this particular land is vital to national security in an atmosphere of ongoing hostilities

the palestinians only hope is to end the hostilities BEFORE entering into serious negotiations with a leadership that is actually in control of ALL the palestinains

Israel is the quintessential Apartheid State.

 

[Indeependent]

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

BDS is a call for equality.

No, IBS is a front.

Israel is not an apartheid state, which is the whole premise that IBS is filed under.

The simple reality is that the war must end and negotiations must begin. No one wants to see innocent civilians getting hurt. Stop the violence and start the negotiations. But first stop the violence. You can't expect Israel to drop its guard in the face of an ongoing war.

The problem is that the palestinians have one state already and very likely another eventually so negotiating a third is kinda disingenuous when the original intention was for a two state solution. Jordan needs to step up and quit discrimination against the palestinians who want to emigrate there. Gaza as well.

As it sits there will be no return to the 67 borders which the palestinians or the Arab stated never recognized anyway right up until they realized the Israeli's had won militarily and there would be no victory other than at the negotiating table.

While Israel has always been willing to offer land for peace, this particular land is vital to national security in an atmosphere of ongoing hostilities

the palestinians only hope is to end the hostilities BEFORE entering into serious negotiations with a leadership that is actually in control of ALL the palestinains

Israel is the quintessential Apartheid State.

You know, you're right.
We ALL agree with you.
Now please SHUT THE FVCK UP!

 

[theliq]

Most people don't hate Jews,other than Terrorist Zionists but they are hated by Jews anyway.......so stop mouthing off bullshit........What a lot of FOLK don't like is Israel's inability to find a peaceful solution......the last time this was close,the Jews assassinated their own Prime Minster Mr Rabin......................I think ENOUGH SAID........steven

"the last time this was close"
1985? Not even close...
Ehud Olmert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was actually and what did you and your cronies do.......Assinated Mr Rabin,former Security and Head of the Military and later Prime Minister.......there was a real Man and a real Jew

Rabin was a pussy.
2008...an offer...a refusal...what a shock.

O Yeah........He was the Greatest Jew in Israels History by far.........Head of Israeli Security.....Head of the Armed Forces and Prime Minister......He and Mr Peres knew that Peace was achievable moreover a 2 State Solution and self determination for the Palestinians.........He was Greatly Admired World Wide.

For a Curr like you to say such hienious ROT merely shows us all such DEPRAVITY Jews like you have become..........it rhymes, SCUM.

Respect to Mr Rabin.......Respect to decent Jews,Respect to the Palestinians....................you merely walk in the shadows

Kiss my a$$, self-hating, piece of shit, assimilated Jew.
Rabin was on the threshold of destroying Israel.
He flushed a brilliant past away probably because he was offered a mansion in France next to Mrs. Arafat.

No he did not, he brought a level of decency to the position of Leadership in Israel..never seen before or since...He was NEVER on any threshold of destroying Israel ...only improving it.......his ASSINATION put Israel back 30 years...as we have all seen.

I don't mind what you say about me,because it's all "SHIT OFF MY BACK" and I can handle a Curr like you...but don't try to degrade a Man like Mr Rabin or other pro Palestinian posters on here........I can always smell a Shit Head even from here and you are complete SHIT.

Phew go take a bath Indie,and wash your stinking mouth out........YOU>>>>>>>>>>STINK

 

[Boston1]

Yikes

OK the flaming contest is hardly an intelligent exchange

How about if we all agree to forgo the effort to outdo one another in the insult department and stick to the subject.

If you don't think another poster has anything of substance to add, simply put them on ignore. I have.

Deal is I rather enjoy this subject and I hate it when an otherwise interesting conversation breaks down into some kinda jack ass contest

 

[theliq]

Yikes

OK the flaming contest is hardly an intelligent exchange

How about if we all agree to forgo the effort to outdo one another in the insult department and stick to the subject.

If you don't think another poster has anything of substance to add, simply put them on ignore. I have.

Deal is I rather enjoy this subject and I hate it when an otherwise interesting conversation breaks down into some kinda jack ass contest

Fair enough,but I do love incinerating..........to be truthful Boss,mind you the rest of my post was factual,even though Indie finds it hard to comprehend......but I do respond when some one asks me toliqhisASSHOLE.............Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!steve

 

[Indeependent]

Yikes

OK the flaming contest is hardly an intelligent exchange

How about if we all agree to forgo the effort to outdo one another in the insult department and stick to the subject.

If you don't think another poster has anything of substance to add, simply put them on ignore. I have.

Deal is I rather enjoy this subject and I hate it when an otherwise interesting conversation breaks down into some kinda jack ass contest

Fair enough,but I do love incinerating..........to be truthful Boss,mind you the rest of my post was factual,even though Indie finds it hard to comprehend......but I do respond when some one asks me toliqhisASSHOLE.............Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!steve

I wonder how you'll feel when your grandchildren are celebrating Christmas and have no idea who Rabin was.

 

[hadit]

Yes. Correct! It is illegal for a nation to acquire territory in war, defensive or otherwise.

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

I think you will find that the Islamic colonizers are being forced out of the lands they colonized earlier. Call it social Darwinism if you like but much like the Islamic Crusaders / colonizers were given the Bum's Rush out of Europe, the Islamic colonizers are being forced out of the lands known as the disputed territories. It happens when a modern, technical culture collides with a retrograde one.

Another way of wording that is, "Why should Israel be held to a standard no other nation is held to?". Europe was artificially carved up by WWI. Why is the world not demanding that all the boundaries be set back to before the war?

 

[montelatici]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

 

[Boston1]

Thus it would be illegal for any Arab nation in the region to destroy the nation of Israel and seize its territory.

Yes it would. What's your point?

That there are so many whining about Israel "illegally" occupying territory that would be very happy should the surrounding nations illegally drive Israel out and occupy the territory.

I think that you will find that most colonized people are keen to see the back of the colonizers. However, I would prefer a South African solution where the colonizers remain as equals, unlike the Rhodesian or Algerian solution.

I think you will find that the Islamic colonizers are being forced out of the lands they colonized earlier. Call it social Darwinism if you like but much like the Islamic Crusaders / colonizers were given the Bum's Rush out of Europe, the Islamic colonizers are being forced out of the lands known as the disputed territories. It happens when a modern, technical culture collides with a retrograde one.

Another way of wording that is, "Why should Israel be held to a standard no other nation is held to?". Europe was artificially carved up by WWI. Why is the world not demanding that all the boundaries be set back to before the war?

Couldn't agree more. A lot of countries were created at this same time but you don't see any other ongoing wars about it. Its pretty obvious this is an issue of racism and not one of justice

 

[hadit]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

Yeah, those nations that told the Arabs living in that area to get out of the way because it would be a simple operation to get the Jews out of it were wrong.