So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[Winston]

Again in the case of healthcare the facts don't support that theory. In most other industrialized countries, the government takes a way more active role in healthcare. This results is a cheaper and better healthcare system. Why, because the for profit motive is taken as much as possible out of the equation. Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Protected Blog › Log in


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

Cato Institute.

USELESS

Try again.

I've noticed that when the facts are irrefutable, real dunces blame the source.

Pretty much proves that you are a government school grad.




Just between the two of us….are you just a leeeeettttle disappointed at how you turned out?

Promoting an American public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peaceful international relations

That is directly from the Cato Institute's website. If you can't see the inherent bias in any information they would post you are being willfully ignorant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Protected Blog › Log in


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

Cato Institute.

USELESS

Try again.

I've noticed that when the facts are irrefutable, real dunces blame the source.

Pretty much proves that you are a government school grad.




Just between the two of us….are you just a leeeeettttle disappointed at how you turned out?

Promoting an American public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peaceful international relations

That is directly from the Cato Institute's website. If you can't see the inherent bias in any information they would post you are being willfully ignorant.

Promoting an American public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peaceful international relations.

It's exactly what the Founders believed.




Communists, Liberals, Nazis and Leftists of every stripe endorse the very opposite...

the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Seems we stand on opposite sides of the political divide.
One of us is correct, and the other is you.

 

[Winston]

Again in the case of healthcare the facts don't support that theory. In most other industrialized countries, the government takes a way more active role in healthcare. This results is a cheaper and better healthcare system. Why, because the for profit motive is taken as much as possible out of the equation. Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Protected Blog › Log in


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

Cato Institute.

USELESS

Try again.

But, because I am bored I will glance at it.

First, Cato admits life expectancy is a reasonable attribute to measure. Ours is lower than almost all industrialized nations.

Second, Cato admits Health Distribution and Responsiveness is a reasonable attribute to measure. Again, we fall short despite the claim of long "waiting lists" in nations with government health care.

The only statistics the Cato Institute has a problem with are those that measure "fairness". Like when a family spends a disproportionate amount of their disposable income on health care. To the Cato Institute it is not a problem that health care costs are the largest factor for individual bankruptcies. To the Cato Institute it is not a problem that some families largest expense in any given month is health care while other families spend only a token of their disposable income on health care. The Cato Institute has a problem with "fair" because they know, our capitalistic predatory market based health care system is inherently UNFAIR.

So yeah, WORTHLESS.

"The Cato Institute is unquestionably a credible source. But don’t take my word for it. According to the 2015 Global Go To Think Tank Index Report from the University of Pennsylvania, Cato is ranked 11th in the world [PDF], just behind Amnesty International, and Eric Lichtblau of the New York Times described Cato as "one of the country’s most widely cited research organizations.”"
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Cato-Institute-a-credible-source-Why-or-why-not



So.....turns out you are useless, huh?

Most widely cited, I have no doubt, confirmation bias is a real problem. But, now that you have submitted that Amnesty International is a better source, let's just go to them.
.

[E]veryone in the United States has the human right to health care. Reform measures should ensure that every person has access to comprehensive, quality health care. No one should be discriminated against on the basis of income, health status, gender, race, age, immigration status or other factors..

Amnesty International USA (AIUSA) - Right to Health Care - ProCon.org.

 

[Winston]

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

Cato Institute.

USELESS

Try again.

I've noticed that when the facts are irrefutable, real dunces blame the source.

Pretty much proves that you are a government school grad.




Just between the two of us….are you just a leeeeettttle disappointed at how you turned out?

Promoting an American public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peaceful international relations

That is directly from the Cato Institute's website. If you can't see the inherent bias in any information they would post you are being willfully ignorant.

Promoting an American public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peaceful international relations.

It's exactly what the Founders believed.




Communists, Liberals, Nazis and Leftists of every stripe endorse the very opposite...

the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Seems we stand on opposite sides of the political divide.
One of us is correct, and the other is you.

The founders? Man but you are stupid. The "founders" financed small pox vaccinations for native american tribes during the Lewis and Clark expedition. Obviously, they would support financing of the health care of illegal immigrants as well. Please, don't start spouting "founders" when you have no clue as to what they supported or believed in.

 

[forkup]

`
`
I'm a major advocate of the single payer system.

I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...

Free market answers should always be considered before collectivist responses to America's policies.
In the case of the Bolshevik Fallacy, ObamaCare, the flaw is in misunderstanding human nature.
If people have skin in the game, financially, they spend money far more carefully.

When you spend your own money on yourself (box 1), you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost. And that drives the businesses that are competing for your money to constantly seek more efficient ways of producing better products at better prices.

Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost."
Why Single-Payer Health Care Delivers Poor Quality at High Cost | Daniel J. Mitchell

Again in the case of healthcare the facts don't support that theory. In most other industrialized countries, the government takes a way more active role in healthcare. This results is a cheaper and better healthcare system. Why, because the for profit motive is taken as much as possible out of the equation. Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Protected Blog › Log in


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
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" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

Cato Institute.

USELESS

Try again.

But, because I am bored I will glance at it.

First, Cato admits life expectancy is a reasonable attribute to measure. Ours is lower than almost all industrialized nations.

Second, Cato admits Health Distribution and Responsiveness is a reasonable attribute to measure. Again, we fall short despite the claim of long "waiting lists" in nations with government health care.

The only statistics the Cato Institute has a problem with are those that measure "fairness". Like when a family spends a disproportionate amount of their disposable income on health care. To the Cato Institute it is not a problem that health care costs are the largest factor for individual bankruptcies. To the Cato Institute it is not a problem that some families largest expense in any given month is health care while other families spend only a token of their disposable income on health care. The Cato Institute has a problem with "fair" because they know, our capitalistic predatory market based health care system is inherently UNFAIR.

So yeah, WORTHLESS.

"The Cato Institute is unquestionably a credible source. But don’t take my word for it. According to the 2015 Global Go To Think Tank Index Report from the University of Pennsylvania, Cato is ranked 11th in the world [PDF], just behind Amnesty International, and Eric Lichtblau of the New York Times described Cato as "one of the country’s most widely cited research organizations.”"
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Cato-Institute-a-credible-source-Why-or-why-not



So.....turns out you are useless, huh?

Most widely cited, I have no doubt, confirmation bias is a real problem. But, now that you have submitted that Amnesty International is a better source, let's just go to them.
.

[E]veryone in the United States has the human right to health care. Reform measures should ensure that every person has access to comprehensive, quality health care. No one should be discriminated against on the basis of income, health status, gender, race, age, immigration status or other factors..

Amnesty International USA (AIUSA) - Right to Health Care - ProCon.org.

Soo....you use Amnesty International as your authority, I use the United States Constitution.

What more is there to say....I can't force you to be correct.


[E]veryone in the United States has the human right to health care.
Now....in point of fact...and with reference to the above, the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...

Free market answers should always be considered before collectivist responses to America's policies.
In the case of the Bolshevik Fallacy, ObamaCare, the flaw is in misunderstanding human nature.
If people have skin in the game, financially, they spend money far more carefully.

When you spend your own money on yourself (box 1), you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost. And that drives the businesses that are competing for your money to constantly seek more efficient ways of producing better products at better prices.

Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost."
Why Single-Payer Health Care Delivers Poor Quality at High Cost | Daniel J. Mitchell

Again in the case of healthcare the facts don't support that theory. In most other industrialized countries, the government takes a way more active role in healthcare. This results is a cheaper and better healthcare system. Why, because the for profit motive is taken as much as possible out of the equation. Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
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" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

 

[jasonnfree]

lets go from a horrible idea to a worse one.


frigging brilliant

Except every other country has Single Payer.

They live longer, have lower infant mortality rates and spend a lot less than we do.

But it's a terribly idea because you are horrified a poor person can get the same quality of care you get, right?

Every other country has to be subsidized by OUR government because they don't pay as much into the GDP of the UN.
Every other country doesn't have to have a military since we defend the world, so they can use more of their money to fund lazy liberals who sit and do nothing, like ours do.
Joe, if you love other countries, GET THE FUCK OVER THERE, we are tired of your whiney, white, two house, ass, telling the rest of US what we need to do. Worthless fuck..

Moonbattery: Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder

Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.

You say " we defend the world ...? We can't even help Puerto Rico and save thousands of lives, so how are we defending the world? Of course we send our military everywhere and drop lots of bombs and all, but that's where the money is.

 

[forkup]

Again in the case of healthcare the facts don't support that theory. In most other industrialized countries, the government takes a way more active role in healthcare. This results is a cheaper and better healthcare system. Why, because the for profit motive is taken as much as possible out of the equation. Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Protected Blog › Log in


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You couldn't be more wrong.
You might try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Protected Blog › Log in


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

 

[forkup]

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

 

[forkup]

Wow you really do spout theory like a robot. Health Care Index by Country 2017 Mid-Year
This is an actual valuation of health care. The US is number 27. You are trying too explain away a very simple statistic by trying to make a case for the US being a more dangerous place to live. The simple fact is, in almost every way you measure people's health the US lags behind other developed nations. You are somehow trying too make a case that the free market gives better results, besides theories that simply aren't supported by facts you have nothing too support that claim. The problems of Obamacare are irrelevant since your premise is that it's the government interference part that makes it fail, while even with ACA the US still has way less government interference then other nations who yield better result. In short you can't establish cause and effect to support your theory.

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care. For large sections of the populace.
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't waste time on you.

I always knew I was born under a lucky star.

Or you just say stupid shit... like 'I get to steal this sand because my sky pixie said so...."

 

[JoeB131]

Poor poor Joe, I was an avionics technician for over 15 years, collected a large sum of money(all legally) avoided paying taxes while overseas, and came back here participating in the stock market amassing an even larger fortune.

And you have a 12 inch dick, a supermodel girlfriend and a Porsche... sure you do.

You make all this money and you can't do simple division....

 

[MadChemist]

It seems that all these threads devolve into the same structure of argument, name calling, and accusations.

I have to ask....

Why is it that America is treated as a monolith when it comes to healthcare.

You can be in some pretty lousy situations (overpriced and underserviced) and you can be in some very good ones.

There is no one single description that describes America's health care. There are characteristics (such as it is not free and available to everyone......), but they do not define our health care system.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

1." You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market."

You should learn to believe what I say....if you are capable of learning.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ays-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/



In your face, booooyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

1." You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market."

You should learn to believe what I say....if you are capable of learning.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ays-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/



In your face, booooyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!!

OK....OK....stop begging....

I'll be happy fill in yet one more of your lacunae....

WHO/UN

So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.

This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.



Have you ever read a book?

Sooooo.....when did you graduate from government school?

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care. For large sections of the populace.
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

"No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.'

I still claim so.

How do you claim that deaths due to homicide or automobile accidents are attributable to healthcare?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It seems that all these threads devolve into the same structure of argument, name calling, and accusations.

I have to ask....

Why is it that America is treated as a monolith when it comes to healthcare.

You can be in some pretty lousy situations (overpriced and underserviced) and you can be in some very good ones.

There is no one single description that describes America's health care. There are characteristics (such as it is not free and available to everyone......), but they do not define our health care system.

The most basic disagreement is whether the law of the land, the US Constitution, authorized insurance of any kind.

I direct your attention to article 1, section 8, which is definitive for this question.

 

[forkup]

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

1." You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market."

You should learn to believe what I say....if you are capable of learning.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ays-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/



In your face, booooyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!!

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care. For large sections of the populace.
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

"No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.'

I still claim so.

How do you claim that deaths due to homicide or automobile accidents are attributable to healthcare?

Simple give me a higher survivability rate after

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

1." You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market."

You should learn to believe what I say....if you are capable of learning.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ays-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/



In your face, booooyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!!

So I actually read your links and I fail to see how they help your case.
-First attempt. The WHO is biased because it accepts information from dubious sources like Cuba.
Maybe true, but there are plenty of countries who have reliable information who score better, so that doesn't help you.
-Second attempt. The WHO is biased because they don't like the US
The WHO is not a political organisation in fact the US is it's biggest donor. It's a typical childish thing to say. The equivalent of "the teacher doesn't like me, that's why I'm failing math."
-Third attempt. The WHO doesn't have the correct definition of fair.
Your definition of fair is different from the most amount of people should have the best possible health care?
I have asked you to establish a simple cause, effect to support your premise, all you offer is a reasoning why you feel the facts don't support your premise. They call that a deflection.

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care. For large sections of the populace.
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

"No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.'

I still claim so.

How do you claim that deaths due to homicide or automobile accidents are attributable to healthcare?

In my face lol.
-You have provided me with POLLS that rate your health insurance satisfactory prior Obamacare. But you did misrepresent it to begin with. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their insurance. The link says this,
Will says that 95 percent of people WITH health insurance, like it.
Important difference since ACA insured people who previously didn't.
I and even you have provided links that its below par most other industrialized nations. How does that help your case?
-https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death#15
You will find that homicide or accidental death isn't high in the leading causes of death in the US
nor is it in my country so explain why a small percentage of the causes of death have such a profound effect on the general life expectancy. Again you misrepresent data.
- I also notice you completely gave up on trying to compare your healthcare to mine.
As usual you try to find little things to question so you don't have to answer the merit of your claim. Government interference decreases healthcare.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

1." You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market."

You should learn to believe what I say....if you are capable of learning.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it



In your face, booooyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!!

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care. For large sections of the populace.
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

"No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.'

I still claim so.

How do you claim that deaths due to homicide or automobile accidents are attributable to healthcare?

Simple give me a higher survivability rate after

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care for large sections of the populace
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

1." You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market."

You should learn to believe what I say....if you are capable of learning.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ays-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/



In your face, booooyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!!

So when are you leaving?

I can help you pack.



BTW....
...the finest and most successful President in the last hundred years mandated healthcare for every person...legal or otherwise...in the nation to have health care over 30 years ago.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). ... EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia



Amble on over to a library...I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

Lol, don't bother I'm Belgian. My wife is American, she choose to come over here. One of the reasons was better healthcare in my country. I do find it interesting that when you aren't allowed to deflect but actually are asked to argue your point on merit you attack me. See that's the problem with only having theories to argue a point. In the real world being an ideologue doesn't cut it. The best example of that is your favorite target. Communism failed because the politburo looked at the world trough ideological glasses and when reality came knocking they weren't prepared. You believe in the free market unconditionally, if you believe into something in that way, you will be blind to it's shortcomings. Reality hurts when it hits you in the back of your head.

Let's review
1. I showed that some 90% liked their plan before ObamaCare
2. It's been revealed that Obama lied his way through the full court press to pass the scam
3. The US had the worlds best healthcare proven by life expectancy
4. The US has had universal healthcare since 1986
5. You can't stand up to some little jabs

Communism failed because it required slaughter and oppression.

Yes....free market is the answer.
· a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses

· Additional Treatments

· Skin Conditions

· Minor Injuries

· Diagnostic Testing

· Wellness

· Vaccinations

· Healthcare Clinics | Walgreens

b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/news/

h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).


i. "The 14194 clinics in this database offer medical services (some may also offer dental services) and are free, low-cost, low-cost with a sliding scale based on income, or offer some type of financial assistance. If you're under or uninsured, and looking for a nearby free clinic, sliding scale clinic, or low-cost clinic, where you and/or your family can go for lost cost medical care, NeedyMeds can help. Please note that the clinics listed are not necessarily free.

For additional information and appointments contact the clinic directly.

For a description of which clinics we include on our website and what type of information we provide on each clinic, visit our Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinicspage."

Free/Low-Cost/Sliding Scale Clinics | NeedyMeds

Anything else I can help you with?

1. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their health insurance, no link was provided. It's also irrelevant considering you're claim is that Obamacare sucks because the government interferes in the free market.
2. Irrelevant to your claim again.
3. No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.
4. No the US has universal care that doesn't cover anything besides basic care. For large sections of the populace.
5. I don't mind jabs if you are capable of providing what I ask. I mind jabs that are intended to deflect.
a) Everybody here has a general practitioner who comes to the house if your not mobile. The same applies to nurses, physical therapists and even babysitters and cleaning ladies to give people care. Yes it's a service provided by our health insurance. For a slight extra charge. Emergency rooms are only utilized in cases when more then general care is needed. And serve you in minutes from admittance in most cases.
b) Our pharmacies don't make you wait to fill your prescriptions. They give you your medicine when you walk in.
c) We don't have to search for our health insurance, its universal.
d) We have an optional hospitalization insurance, this covers additional costs incurred if you get hospitalized. At the cost of 410 euro annually for my family of 3.
e) We have something called a global medical dossier this means that our entire medical history is available to any doctor we come in contact with.
f) Some cosmetic surgeries are covered under our health insurance provided medical need can be established.
So try again.

"No you are trying to make that case by trying to disqualify all deaths by accident or homicide. they call that cherry picking data.'

I still claim so.

How do you claim that deaths due to homicide or automobile accidents are attributable to healthcare?

In my face lol.
-You have provided me with POLLS that rate your health insurance satisfactory prior Obamacare. But you did misrepresent it to begin with. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their insurance. The link says this,
Will says that 95 percent of people WITH health insurance, like it.
Important difference since ACA insured people who previously didn't.
I and even you have provided links that its below par most other industrialized nations. How does that help your case?
-https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death#15
You will find that homicide or accidental death isn't high in the leading causes of death in the US
nor is it in my country so explain why a small percentage of the causes of death have such a profound effect on the general life expectancy. Again you misrepresent data.
- I also notice you completely gave up on trying to compare your healthcare to mine.
As usual you try to find little things to question so you don't have to answer the merit of your claim. Government interference decreases healthcare.

Is English a second language for you????

Or....are you a simpleton?

I misrepresented nothing.

"-You have provided me with POLLS that rate your health insurance satisfactory prior Obamacare. But you did misrepresent it to begin with. You claimed 90 percent of Americans liked their insurance. The link says this,
Will says that 95 percent of people WITH health insurance, like it."