So you want better paying jobs?

[Boss]

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

No.. You are conflating a concept of social cooperative with tenets of Socialism. Granted, the ideology of Socialism is constructed upon this concept ...that does not make them the same.

 

[shadow355]

We keep hearing about this "widening gap between rich and poor" which has been the nucleus of an ongoing argument for higher wages, living wages, increasing the minimum wage, more taxation on "the wealthy" or whatever. They come armed with graphs and charts... the statistics to show you the middle class is in decline... the wealthy continue to amass great fortunes while the poor struggle to survive. Our hearts bleed as we're lectured on how we need more government regulations, more agencies and programs, more forced wage hikes and mandates, more restrictions and regulations heaped on big business in order to force them to pay up!

The problem is, we're hearing this from morons who don't understand how free market capitalism works. Oh, not all of them are illiterate morons, some have read books by European socialist propagandists and think they have everything all figured out. They don't seem to understand socialism doesn't work in practice like it works on paper. Every significant sized Socialist nation has failed and most of them have failed hideously. The ideas of people like Marx and Mao are responsible for ten's of millions of deaths. It is clearly a failed ideology by every standard.

Let's first dispatch a few myths and misconceptions. Wealthy people tend to gain wealth faster than poor people because they have a propensity for wealth acquisition... it's how they became wealthy for the most part. So it is perfectly natural in a free market capitalist system for the wealthiest to gain wealth faster than everyone else. It's like having a marathon race where there are runners who are seasoned veteran marathoners, runners who are couch potatoes, and some who run for the fun of it.... Now, in an actual race, who would you expect to lead and eventually win? The couch potato? Of course not... the seasoned vets are constantly going to gain more ground than the couch potatoes... that's perfectly natural and expected. The solution to the problem is not to hobble the veterans so they don't run as fast... the better idea would be to motivate the couch potatoes... train them up... make them better able to compete... turn them into veteran runners.

So this is where the idea of increasing their wages comes... but it's not as simple as merely passing some legislation that corporations MUST pay people $X per hour... that does not work in free market capitalism. What happens is, everything is on a sliding scale, so people make more but things cost more... so very shortly, we are back to square one. So come on Boss... get to the point... how do we increase the rate of pay for the average American in the average job without disrupting free market capitalism or causing inflation?

In order to increase pay you have to increase the demand for labor. In order to do that, you have to create new jobs. Not just new service sector, minimum wage, government or part-time jobs... but real, good paying, legitimate jobs. The way to do that is to encourage expansion of business... this requires taking several steps... lower taxes on corporations... or eliminate corporate tax altogether. Offer tax incentives for repatriated wealth... we have over $20 trillion in US wealth abroad... not doing us a bit of good. Let's bring it home and put it to work creating new business and new jobs. Finally, our trade deals need to account for the disparity in cost of labor. We can't compete with countries who pay their workers $1 a day and a bowl of rice... unless that's the standard we want to live with ourselves. Our trade policies have to take this into consideration and we have to apply tougher tariffs on import goods so our American companies can again compete domestically.

For example, let's use a computer keyboard... If you go to the store today to buy one, you will likely pay around $20 for a standard keyboard which is probably made in Indonesia. Now... An American company, with American workers and paying American taxes, can't buy the materials and assemble said keyboard for $20, much less sell it for that and make a profit. A similar American-made keyboard would be probably $40 or more. So if you have the choice to buy the same keyboard for $20 or $40... which would you likely purchase? Most people aren't going to care about where it's made, money is the deciding factor. However... IF you applied a tariff on Indonesian keyboards of say, $10 each... then the price of the Indonesian keyboard is $30 and the US company has the opportunity to compete... they cut some corners use some competitive ingenuity and manage to whittle their price down to $35... now you have a choice between a cheaply-made Indonesian keyboard for $30 or one that is built to last by Americans for $35. Some will still pick the cheaper keyboard but some will go with the quality.

Now my example is a little exaggerated, we'd never apply a 50% tariff on something... but the point is making imports more expensive so that American companies can compete again. When we change this dynamic, jobs will begin to generate as a result.. more jobs = more demand for labor = higher wages.

Shadow 355

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

communism is about no govt. Sorry

 

[Correll]

Well, I think I've been very clear that my "Cause" is free market capitalism. Reason being, free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than anything ever devised by man. With free market capitalism and a free enterprise system, the individual is empowered to achieve whatever level of wealth they desire through their own initiatives, talents and skills.

Meanwhile, you have not articulated from where Socialism magically obtains it resources. What you present is a circular reasoning that is both "clueless and causeless." ...It is like thinking you can nutritionally sustain your life indefinitely by consuming your own feces.

Define free market capitalism. From my understanding, AnCaps don't exist any longer than male lions in a pride in the wild, without the Nurture of Socialism.

And,

Your straw man arguments are just, a lack of competence for your Cause. Just shillery?

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

Well, I think I've been very clear that my "Cause" is free market capitalism. Reason being, free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than anything ever devised by man. With free market capitalism and a free enterprise system, the individual is empowered to achieve whatever level of wealth they desire through their own initiatives, talents and skills.

Meanwhile, you have not articulated from where Socialism magically obtains it resources. What you present is a circular reasoning that is both "clueless and causeless." ...It is like thinking you can nutritionally sustain your life indefinitely by consuming your own feces.

Define free market capitalism. From my understanding, AnCaps don't exist any longer than male lions in a pride in the wild, without the Nurture of Socialism.

And,

Your straw man arguments are just, a lack of competence for your Cause. Just shillery?

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

dears, what will Always be literally incredible in this discussion, is any penchant for diversion instead of clarification of concepts.

What do those of the opposing view mean by free market capitalism, and how is it different from an AnCap?

Easy, small and/or limited government vs no government.

Why do you ask?

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

Thus, it is about Good management.

I had provided dictionary definitions of socialism that shows that that is not the case.

Please do something to support your argument that all government is socialism other than simply arguing from assertion.

Good management is another one of your little catch phrases that you MISUSE with a meaning that no one else gives it, and thus does not understand.

Not that you ever are clear about what the meaning is, you seem to think that it is up to the rest of us to deduce it from context.

Except that your context is mostly incoherent and btw, that's really rude.

 

[danielpalos]

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

No.. You are conflating a concept of social cooperative with tenets of Socialism. Granted, the ideology of Socialism is constructed upon this concept ...that does not make them the same.

Dear, socialism is a requirement for Government as we know it.

 

[danielpalos]

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

communism is about no govt. Sorry

Only through social morals for free, dear.

 

[danielpalos]

Define free market capitalism. From my understanding, AnCaps don't exist any longer than male lions in a pride in the wild, without the Nurture of Socialism.

And,

Your straw man arguments are just, a lack of competence for your Cause. Just shillery?

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

Define free market capitalism. From my understanding, AnCaps don't exist any longer than male lions in a pride in the wild, without the Nurture of Socialism.

And,

Your straw man arguments are just, a lack of competence for your Cause. Just shillery?

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

dears, what will Always be literally incredible in this discussion, is any penchant for diversion instead of clarification of concepts.

What do those of the opposing view mean by free market capitalism, and how is it different from an AnCap?

Easy, small and/or limited government vs no government.

Why do you ask?

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

Thus, it is about Good management.

I had provided dictionary definitions of socialism that shows that that is not the case.

Please do something to support your argument that all government is socialism other than simply arguing from assertion.

Good management is another one of your little catch phrases that you MISUSE with a meaning that no one else gives it, and thus does not understand.

Not that you ever are clear about what the meaning is, you seem to think that it is up to the rest of us to deduce it from context.

Except that your context is mostly incoherent and btw, that's really rude.

Dear, simply using a dictionary is a form of special pleading. You have to cite an encyclopedia.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

dears, what will Always be literally incredible in this discussion, is any penchant for diversion instead of clarification of concepts.

What do those of the opposing view mean by free market capitalism, and how is it different from an AnCap?

Easy, small and/or limited government vs no government.

Why do you ask?

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

Thus, it is about Good management.

I had provided dictionary definitions of socialism that shows that that is not the case.

Please do something to support your argument that all government is socialism other than simply arguing from assertion.

Good management is another one of your little catch phrases that you MISUSE with a meaning that no one else gives it, and thus does not understand.

Not that you ever are clear about what the meaning is, you seem to think that it is up to the rest of us to deduce it from context.

Except that your context is mostly incoherent and btw, that's really rude.

Dear, simply using a dictionary is a form of special pleading. You have to cite an encyclopedia.

the economics is simple. better paying jobs come from new inventions. the more efficient farming gets, for example, the more farmers can be paid.

 

[Indeependent]

dears, what will Always be literally incredible in this discussion, is any penchant for diversion instead of clarification of concepts.

What do those of the opposing view mean by free market capitalism, and how is it different from an AnCap?

Easy, small and/or limited government vs no government.

Why do you ask?

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

Thus, it is about Good management.

I had provided dictionary definitions of socialism that shows that that is not the case.

Please do something to support your argument that all government is socialism other than simply arguing from assertion.

Good management is another one of your little catch phrases that you MISUSE with a meaning that no one else gives it, and thus does not understand.

Not that you ever are clear about what the meaning is, you seem to think that it is up to the rest of us to deduce it from context.

Except that your context is mostly incoherent and btw, that's really rude.

Dear, simply using a dictionary is a form of special pleading. You have to cite an encyclopedia.

the economics is simple. better paying jobs come from new inventions. the more efficient farming gets, for example, the more farmers can be paid.

So Directors and CEOs who haven't invented anything since the late 90s should not be making more than they made in the late 90s.
Your For Dummies book knowledge fails you once again.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So CEOs and Directors who have not enhanced the world with anything new since the late 90s should not be making more money than they were since the 90s.

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dear , why not give your best example of CEO with nothing new since 90's who is making more money or admit you are independent of the brains to defend yourself.

 

[Indeependent]

So CEOs and Directors who have not enhanced the world with anything new since the late 90s should not be making more money than they were since the 90s.

[/QUOTE]

dear , why not give your best example of CEO with nothing new since 90's who is making more money or admit you are independent of the brains to defend yourself.[/QUOTE]

Bill Gates of Microsoft.
Larry Ellison of Oracle.
The Directors and CEO of IBM.
The Directors and CEO of ATT.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Directors and CEO of ATT.

dear, why do you say ATT has down nothing new since 1990's unless you are totally stupid?????

 

[Indeependent]

The Directors and CEO of ATT.

dear, why do you say ATT has down nothing new since 1990's unless you are totally stupid?????

You just admitted that I'm correct as far as the others are concerned.

Tell me, what has AT&T done besides increase Stock Value by off-shoring almost all of their operations?
Be specific.
If anything, Apple and Google have been a blessing for AT&T whilst AT&T did nothing but install more of their Towers to comply with demand.

Let's not forget PSEG and NationalGrid as cost cutters.
Also GE, though GE has started to responds to the far more advanced LG and Samsung.

 

[Correll]

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

No.. You are conflating a concept of social cooperative with tenets of Socialism. Granted, the ideology of Socialism is constructed upon this concept ...that does not make them the same.

Dear, socialism is a requirement for Government as we know it.

Logical fallacy of argument by Assertion.

Proof by assertion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies."

 

[Correll]

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

communism is about no govt. Sorry

Only through social morals for free, dear.

Meaningless gibberish.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Tell me, what has AT&T done besides increase Stock Value by off-shoring almost all of their operations?
Be specific.

total 100% idiot!!! most of the cell phone revolution has taken place since the 1990's!!!

 

[Correll]

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

REally? You don't know what he means by Free Market Capitalism? That's hardly credible.

dears, what will Always be literally incredible in this discussion, is any penchant for diversion instead of clarification of concepts.

What do those of the opposing view mean by free market capitalism, and how is it different from an AnCap?

Easy, small and/or limited government vs no government.

Why do you ask?

Simply because only no Government contains no socialism.

Thus, it is about Good management.

I had provided dictionary definitions of socialism that shows that that is not the case.

Please do something to support your argument that all government is socialism other than simply arguing from assertion.

Good management is another one of your little catch phrases that you MISUSE with a meaning that no one else gives it, and thus does not understand.

Not that you ever are clear about what the meaning is, you seem to think that it is up to the rest of us to deduce it from context.

Except that your context is mostly incoherent and btw, that's really rude.

Dear, simply using a dictionary is a form of special pleading. You have to cite an encyclopedia.

BUll.

You are using words incorrectly in an effort to gain legitimacy for your position though lying.

I have pointed out your incorrect word usage and you have dishonestly ignored that and continue despite being informed of your error.


I have supported this with dictionary links to the actually meanings of the words your are misusing.


Your attempt to conflate all government with socialism is dishonest nonsense.

 

[Indeependent]

Tell me, what has AT&T done besides increase Stock Value by off-shoring almost all of their operations?
Be specific.

total 100% idiot!!! most of the cell phone revolution has taken place since the 1990's!!!

Ad hominem.

But not the quantity of Cell Phone sales.
Now be a good little boy and tell me EXACTLY what AT&T has done since the late 90s to make the world better and why it's Directors and CEOs are making more money today than they did in the late 90s.
In fact, AT&T was slow as shit installing towers in the NY/NJ/CT Tri-State vicinity because they had no vision and didn't imagine smart devices would even become popular; they were too busy firing Americans.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

tell me EXACTLY what AT&T has done since the late 90s to make the world better.

total idiot they supply cell phone service to 1/3 of our nation!!!!

 

[Indeependent]

tell me EXACTLY what AT&T has done since the late 90s to make the world better.

total idiot they supply cell phone service to 1/3 of our nation!!!!

Using OLD, existing satellite technology.
AT&T had to spend money to suck in signals from TAX supplied Satellite.
They were reluctant to do so and thus left customer by the millions lagging for weeks demanding the service they paid for.
Again...
What EXACTLY has AT&T done to IMPROVE technology since the late 90s besides fattening the Portfolios of old back-stabbing pharts such as yourself.

Just admit you have no idea.


I lived the period and I've been in Software Development for 30+ years.