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Just out of curiosity....does anyone know anything about this kid?
Is he a trouble maker? Is he otherwise a decent kid? Does anyone care?
I have a problem throwing kids into adult prison....the only thing it does is makes them better criminals. Are we here to get a pound of flesh out of this kid, or to see that justice is served? What good will it do this kid, his family, or the family of the victim if he gets 10 years in "pound me in the ass" prison, and he comes out angry, abused and a learned criminal? Yeah....that'll be good for everyone.
One thing to remember....as far as the family goes, there's nothing that will bring their loved one back....so their emotions could range from complete forgiveness to "eye for an eye". So, while their needs as victims are important, it's not the final factor.
Maybe we should try the 5 year old that shot his sister as an adult too.
I often think our justice system is anything but just. If this were some of the old Indians I've read about, the kid would be required to provide for the family who lost their wage earner do to his actions. IMO, that would be just. Probably not feasible in today's society, but I'm not sure what 5 or more years in prison is going to do. It's certainly not going to bring the man back. I do like the idea of taking anger management classes to get out earlier. The kid needs some sort of counseling or training, that's for sure.
I respect women enough to give them their own choice. You don't. I think that reflects poorly on your "love" for women.
But you don't respect babies. We get it.
No....I respect babies as much as you. You don't get it and you never will. Because you only think in black and white.
Look...just because you made the choice of not aborting your kids and raising them on your own(which I applaud you for), doesn't mean you get to elevate yourself on some kind of twisted self righteous pedestal, annoint yourself as judge, jury and executioner of women who make the choice that you did not, or the people who feel that the choice us theirs to make.
And indicative of the love the left bears for women.
I respect women enough to give them their own choice. You don't. I think that reflects poorly on your "love" for women.
But you don't respect babies. We get it.
But you don't respect babies. We get it.
No....I respect babies as much as you. You don't get it and you never will. Because you only think in black and white.
Look...just because you made the choice of not aborting your kids and raising them on your own(which I applaud you for), doesn't mean you get to elevate yourself on some kind of twisted self righteous pedestal, annoint yourself as judge, jury and executioner of women who make the choice that you did not, or the people who feel that the choice us theirs to make.
So there are shades of humanity then? Some of these shades being less worthy of life and rights? Are pro-life people advocating the "execution" of women to stop abortion? Or are they merely recognizing human life at a point in its development that you are not comfortable with? It is regrettable that some people's rights have to be limited in some situations, but there are few (if any) limitations on rights as severe as the termination of life.
More to the point of this thread: by your argument there is no justification for imprisoning anyone. If prison serves no purpose but to turn people in to more hardened criminals why do we even have prisons? Why imprison anyone? According to you it will only make matters worse when they are released. Are you advocating that we abolish prison altogether?
But you don't respect babies. We get it.
No....I respect babies as much as you. You don't get it and you never will. Because you only think in black and white.
Look...just because you made the choice of not aborting your kids and raising them on your own(which I applaud you for), doesn't mean you get to elevate yourself on some kind of twisted self righteous pedestal, annoint yourself as judge, jury and executioner of women who make the choice that you did not, or the people who feel that the choice us theirs to make.
Murder is murder asswipe you're either for it or against it, the pro choice bullshit is a coward's play.
You seemed to imply that losing one's temper justifies a punch.
And no it couldn't happen to any of us. Just to those that think losing your temper gives you cause to strike someone.
You are reading into it what you want. I am not addressing justification whatsoever, or implying that one has justification because one is angry to strike someone. I am merely saying it happens because humans are fallible and lose control, and when it does, ones life should not be ruined for it by a life's sentence.
Who said anything about a life sentence?
I'm on record as saying the kid should be punished by the fullest extent of the law. I doubt this would rise to the level of life.
I respect women enough to give them their own choice. You don't. I think that reflects poorly on your "love" for women.
But you don't respect babies. We get it.
LOL you should have seen him call them burka wearing Taliban slaves earlier. Yes, he has loads of respect for women.
Morons like steelplate think that the justice system and corrections exist to help out murderers.
They exist to PROTECT people. Like that poor ref who had no idea what hit him. You put the puke in jail so there are no future victims. When you have a tantrum and kill someone, you lose your right to live among decent people. Repent at leisure, or not at all...but the point of incarceration is to PROTECT LAW ABIDING PEOPLE. Not *fix* murderers.
"Any criminal justice system is an apparatus society uses to enforce the standards of conduct necessary to protect individuals and the community. It operates by apprehending, prosecuting, convicting, and sentencing those members of the community who violate the basic rules of group existence. The action taken against lawbreakers is designed to serve three purposes beyond the immediately punitive one. It removes dangerous people from the community; it deters others from criminal behavior; and it gives society an opportunity to attempt to transform lawbreakers into law-abiding citizens. "
Moron.
AMERICA'S SYSTEM OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
"Any criminal justice system is an apparatus society uses to enforce the standards of conduct necessary to protect individuals and the community. It operates by apprehending, prosecuting, convicting, and sentencing those members of the community who violate the basic rules of group existence. The action taken against lawbreakers is designed to serve three purposes beyond the immediately punitive one. It removes dangerous people from the community; it deters others from criminal behavior; and it gives society an opportunity to attempt to transform lawbreakers into law-abiding citizens. "
Moron.
AMERICA'S SYSTEM OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
Read the last sentence douche canoe
"Any criminal justice system is an apparatus society uses to enforce the standards of conduct necessary to protect individuals and the community. It operates by apprehending, prosecuting, convicting, and sentencing those members of the community who violate the basic rules of group existence. The action taken against lawbreakers is designed to serve three purposes beyond the immediately punitive one. It removes dangerous people from the community; it deters others from criminal behavior; and it gives society an opportunity to attempt to transform lawbreakers into law-abiding citizens. "
Moron.
AMERICA'S SYSTEM OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
Read the last sentence douche canoe
This is first for a reason:
" It removes dangerous people from the community;"
No, it doesn't. It exists to protect the people, Headwound Harry.
Read the last sentence douche canoe
This is first for a reason:
" It removes dangerous people from the community;"
Yes...and putting the kid in juvie for four years till he's 21 would do that, wouldn't it? But that's not what your about....you want the wrath of God to cone down on this boy...you are no better than the Taliban...
Also, having worked with this population, I can tell you that a 17 year old who is unable to control his rage to the point where he kills someone in PUBLIC is a danger to every person he comes into contact with...and he is not likely to get better.
