Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

[Cecilie1200]

Leadership from the White House is scary!

And yet you and other leftists are screeching about the wonders of government top-down control and the need for more of it.

 

[Yarddog]

Ask an Ukranian that question, Communist lover.

How many died from capitalism today?

Corporations Would Literally Kill You to Turn a Profit

After reading this, I'm not sure if your brain is firing on all three cylinders.

Ask an Ukranian that question, Communist lover.

How many died from capitalism today?

Corporations Would Literally Kill You to Turn a Profit

Yes, there are some corporations that have corruption. You think the businesses in Communist China do not have corruption? you think they dont abuse inhabitants of regions from which they operate? Governments, corporations and businesses are all made up of nothing more than people... you want to believe that blindly handing over your freedoms to a government master is going to bring peace, prosperity and health to the world??
You would be trading one master for another, but in a communist system there is no coming back. At least in a free market system, it is self correcting, we have checks and balances, freedom of information. What you have just provided is a bunch of un-scientific bullshit propaganda.
So tell me .. did some of the 8 million who died from lack of clean water also die from easily curable diseases?
and were some of the 500,000 who died from malaria also part of those who died from lack of clean water?
You cant answer.

Your numbers mean NOTHING, and you have no proof it was capitalism who created these numbers. You also are not taking into account medical advancements created by businesses throughout non- communist countries. Advancements that are saving millions of lives. Communist masters would literally kill you to hang on to their power and the power they give to their cronies. Just ask anyone in North Korea who has had a beef with their glorious leader..... Oh wait, you cant because they are either DEAD, or working themselves to death in a slave labor camp.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I would not assume gipper voted for Trump. Or Clinton.

His unvarnished defense of his Orange God/King says different.

LOL. You have me confused with someone else.

I have to agree. While you did vote for Trump, I would not consider you one of the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Did y’all catch Trumps presser ? Whole lotta commie socialist talk going on. Tests for everyone ? Bailouts ? Billion dollar aid packages ?!?


When push comes to shove , socialist type programs ain’t so bad . Or should we rely on capitalism alone to save us with price gouging?

You leftists need to learn the difference between temporary, short-term reactions to emergencies and "socialism!" It's also immensely tone deaf to look at what's going on now and say, "See? Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had socialism all the time?" No . . . I can't say any of us want to live like we're in an emergency permanently.

Trump has always been a far leftist. God knows how many times I have proven that. Nobody would listen.

Now he gets to publicly embrace his inner far leftist.

Trump did not put leftists on the SCOTUS.

That was the only reason I voted for him.

Niel Gorsuch vs. Merrick Garland.

No contest.

 

[flacaltenn]

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And the Feds are not competent to even RUN CONGRESS... Don't want more of that...

Exactly, a soviet monopoly will always be inefficient at best and genocidal on average.

Look at CDC. A tiny Germany company was making test kits the first week of January. CDC is only doing it now long after virus has spread widely.

All these leftists screaming about "government, government! The government needs to fix this!" are missing the lesson that the most effective and fastest assistance people are seeing is coming on the private level. While the federal and state governments are sitting around discussing plans and laws and money, private companies and individuals have swung into action, reorganizing our entire way of doing things on the fly, shifting to work-at-home programs to help employees self-quarantine without losing their income or implementing emergency sick leave programs, making free educational programs available for kids who are out of school, creating shopping cooperatives to keep friends and neighbors and acquaintances supplied with essentials . . . the list goes on and on.

If we had become the "socialist utopia" leftists have demanded for years, we wouldn't have the mindset or the capacity to rise up and act as a community of individuals. We'd just sit around, waiting for the government to take care of everything.

It comes down the fundamental difference between "big muscular govt" leftists and the risk of us... It's one word..

RISK

Risk in ANY form is unacceptable to them.. Starting a biz requires risk.. Making your own decisions involves risk. Allowing "stupider" people to make economic mistakes is too much risk.. Drinking TAP water is "too much risk".. Not having a collection of "power crystals" ---- might be risky...

State of california recently wanted to list acetaminophen and meat as "possible carcinogenic" RISK....

And the thinking is that the Federal govt is SMART enough, QUICK enough, EFFICIENT enough, MOTIVATED enough -- or CAPABLE of taking ALL RISK out of people's lives...

There's ZERO evidence to believe in ANY of that... And the reaction of big muscular govt to emergencies is to immediately become MORE Authoritarian and protective of it own bureaucracies...

 

[Toro]

Call it socialism all you want, but what the Trump administration is doing is the right thing.

The economy is on the verge of collapse. Standing aside and letting it happen would be criminal.

 

[Yarddog]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers.

So what is your noise now, BULLQUACK, that the Right is all about Capitalism and the Left is about Socialism? You admitting the Democrats are the Commie Party?
Do you have any idea that if it wasn't for our STRONG Capitalism, we wouldn't have the money nor the market to endure spending billions of dollars on aid and solutions, nor the market to endure thousands of points drop?

There isn't much doubt that the right strongly embraces capitalism, no matter what I might write. I'm just asking what capitalism has to offer us in this situation. So far, I have been informed about several companies that are normally capitalist behaving in completely socialist ways. I am pleased and impressed that they are voluntarily ignoring their profit to give back to the people, but without the goal of profit, their current admirable actions are not capitalism.

A free market system is not going to offer you anything directly.... as far as what you keep repeatedly asking. Nor is it supposed to. A free market system made up of companies, corporations, individual business owners, employees etc can act with various actions as they see fit .... as human beings whether you want to call their actions "socialist" or "capitalist". The fact that we have a free market system means that we have more economic freedom and growth than a place like China. Not sure why you keep insinuating that is a bad thing because we would have been much worse off that we are now.

The fact that we have a free market capitalist system for example, means that we have also various places to get food, diverse types of shopping centers. You can get food from places like Walmart, Raleys, Safeway,Food max, Luckys, even dollar stores, plus fast food restaurants that are open. there are independent food distribution systems as well, and farms other food suppliers all independent of each other who are capable of distribution. Capitalism provides you with diversity of supply, thus ensuring you dont have to stand in line for your government issued toilet paper.
If we were a government run system right now you would be screwed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

His unvarnished defense of his Orange God/King says different.

LOL. You have me confused with someone else.

I have to agree. While you did vote for Trump, I would not consider you one of the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I hear conventional wisdom is expecting Nikki Haley to run in 2024.

I'm not really concerned about needing a "clear frontrunner", especially not this far out. I would much prefer to have a strong field of candidates and let the voters decide who the frontrunner is, than to have the party tell us who we should like and support.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

LOL. You have me confused with someone else.

I have to agree. While you did vote for Trump, I would not consider you one of the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I hear conventional wisdom is expecting Nikki Haley to run in 2024.

I'm not really concerned about needing a "clear frontrunner", especially not this far out. I would much prefer to have a strong field of candidates and let the voters decide who the frontrunner is, than to have the party tell us who we should like and support.

She's crooked enough, the donor class would be into her.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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And the Feds are not competent to even RUN CONGRESS... Don't want more of that...

Exactly, a soviet monopoly will always be inefficient at best and genocidal on average.

Look at CDC. A tiny Germany company was making test kits the first week of January. CDC is only doing it now long after virus has spread widely.

All these leftists screaming about "government, government! The government needs to fix this!" are missing the lesson that the most effective and fastest assistance people are seeing is coming on the private level. While the federal and state governments are sitting around discussing plans and laws and money, private companies and individuals have swung into action, reorganizing our entire way of doing things on the fly, shifting to work-at-home programs to help employees self-quarantine without losing their income or implementing emergency sick leave programs, making free educational programs available for kids who are out of school, creating shopping cooperatives to keep friends and neighbors and acquaintances supplied with essentials . . . the list goes on and on.

If we had become the "socialist utopia" leftists have demanded for years, we wouldn't have the mindset or the capacity to rise up and act as a community of individuals. We'd just sit around, waiting for the government to take care of everything.

It comes down the fundamental difference between "big muscular govt" leftists and the risk of us... It's one word..

RISK

Risk in ANY form is unacceptable to them.. Starting a biz requires risk.. Making your own decisions involves risk. Allowing "stupider" people to make economic mistakes is too much risk.. Drinking TAP water is "too much risk".. Not having a collection of "power crystals" ---- might be risky...

State of california recently wanted to list acetaminophen and meat as "possible carcinogenic" RISK....

And the thinking is that the Federal govt is SMART enough, QUICK enough, EFFICIENT enough, MOTIVATED enough -- or CAPABLE of taking ALL RISK out of people's lives...

There's ZERO evidence to believe in ANY of that... And the reaction of big muscular govt to emergencies is to immediately become MORE Authoritarian and protective of it own bureaucracies...

How anyone can look at our federal government and think, "Yeah, boy, that's who I want running my day-to-day life, they're so quick and efficient and smart" is beyond me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I have to agree. While you did vote for Trump, I would not consider you one of the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I hear conventional wisdom is expecting Nikki Haley to run in 2024.

I'm not really concerned about needing a "clear frontrunner", especially not this far out. I would much prefer to have a strong field of candidates and let the voters decide who the frontrunner is, than to have the party tell us who we should like and support.

She's crooked enough, the donor class would be into her.

Looking at the leaders of the Democrat Party for the last couple of decades, I have only one response to you trying to dismiss anyone as "crooked":

 

[g5000]

His unvarnished defense of his Orange God/King says different.

LOL. You have me confused with someone else.

I have to agree. While you did vote for Trump, I would not consider you one of the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I left the GOP after Trump was elected. After 9/11, I waited for several years for the GOP to return to sanity and get back to principles.

When the tard herd chose Trump, I realized the GOP is dead and gone. So I left.

After a lifetime membership in the GOP, I am now a registered independent.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ask an Ukranian that question, Communist lover.

How many died from capitalism today?

Corporations Would Literally Kill You to Turn a Profit

Victims of malaria didn't die because of capitalism.
If anything, they died because of idiots banning DDT.

 

[georgephillip]

It's not capitalism. It's government having too much power, which attracts scum to get control of said power. If government had less power, there would be less misery and destruction. Instead, you want MORE of the very institution causing the problems you bitch about.

There's no shortage of scum bags in government, imho, but they are acting in service of even bigger, richer scum bags. If you and I were having this disagreement over the relative size of government two hundred years ago, I would find it much easier to accept your opinion.

However, since the last half of the 19th Century we have seen the rise of massive private tyrannies (corporations) which pose at least as much threat to individual liberty as government, yet we have no democratic control over corporate actions.

If we shrink the power of government before reducing the corporate influence in society, the richest scum bags win and everyone else loses.

 

[georgephillip]

Ask an Ukranian that question, Communist lover.

How many died from capitalism today?

Corporations Would Literally Kill You to Turn a Profit

None of those are caused by capitalism, you ignorant and/or dishonest fuck.

What a bunch of bullshit propaganda you fell for. I am embarrassed for you.



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None of those are caused by capitalism, you ignorant and/or dishonest fuck.

What a bunch of bullshit propaganda you fell for. I am embarrassed for you.

I'm embarrassed for Coca-Cola killing trade unionists in Latin America, Big Tobacco suppressing cancer research and lying to the American public about their filthy product, Boeing selling planes they knew to be defective, and mostly I'm embarrassed for those who don't realize capitalism functions like a state religion in America.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I hear conventional wisdom is expecting Nikki Haley to run in 2024.

I'm not really concerned about needing a "clear frontrunner", especially not this far out. I would much prefer to have a strong field of candidates and let the voters decide who the frontrunner is, than to have the party tell us who we should like and support.

She's crooked enough, the donor class would be into her.

Looking at the leaders of the Democrat Party for the last couple of decades, I have only one response to you trying to dismiss anyone as "crooked":

It is utterly bipartisan and ubiquitous isn't it, that's rather the point. That's why all partisanshitheads have is quibbling over who is less corrupt.

How do you feel about your political class hiding the pandemic that they knew was coming from the public so they could get their insider trading wrapped up?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

Uh, I guess you're unaware of the contributions that the private medical sector has made and is making in the effort to deal with the corona virus?

Furthermore, when state and local governments step in and order all sorts of absurd bans and restrictions on huge sectors of the economy, the private sector's ability to respond is limited. In my state, our idiotic governor has issued orders that have forced the closure of bowling alleys, movie theaters, swimming pools, arcades, amusement parks, skating rinks, etc.

 

[georgephillip]

Just ask anyone in North Korea who has had a beef with their glorious leader..... Oh wait, you cant because they are either DEAD, or working themselves to death in a slave labor camp.

Would you agree the biggest difference between these two tyrants is an accident of birth?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

Uh, I guess you're unaware of the contributions that the private medical sector has made and is making in the effort to deal with the corona virus?

Furthermore, when state and local governments step in and order all sorts of absurd bans and restrictions on huge sectors of the economy, the private sector's ability to respond is limited. In my state, our idiotic governor has issued orders that have forced the closure of bowling alleys, movie theaters, swimming pools, arcades, amusement parks, skating rinks, etc.

Aaawwwwhhhhhh...Poor Baby!

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, there are some corporations that have corruption. You think the businesses in Communist China do not have corruption? you think they dont abuse inhabitants of regions from which they operate? Governments, corporations and businesses are all made up of nothing more than people... you want to believe that blindly handing over your freedoms to a government master is going to bring peace, prosperity and health to the world??

Capitalism incentivizes short term profit at the expense of virtually everything else. Capitalists operating within that framework grab every possible dollar as soon as they can knowing, should disaster strike, government will bail them out. Since the political system this government operates within condones the purchase of politicians for those who can afford the price, corruption is baked into the political process. As bad as all that is, government in the US at least provides a measure of democratic control that corporations and state capitalists in China do not.