Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

However, since the last half of the 19th Century we have seen the rise of massive private tyrannies (corporations) which pose at least as much threat to individual liberty as government, yet we have no democratic control over corporate actions.

The power corporations gain is DIRECTLY related to too much government power.

Limited government is the cure.

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[georgephillip]

Victims of malaria didn't die because of capitalism.
If anything, they died because of idiots banning DDT.

What's the ROI on endocrine disruptors?

https://www.quora.com/What-effect-does-DDT-have-on-the-human-endocrine-system

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism incentivizes short term profit at the expense of virtually everything else.

Bullshit

Capitalists operating within that framework grab every possible dollar as soon as they can knowing, should disaster strike, government will bail them out.

See the problem?

Action in the market without the balancing caution brought n by fear of loss is a huge problem caused by government.

Caused by too much government power.


Caused by GOVERNMENT.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, there are some corporations that have corruption. You think the businesses in Communist China do not have corruption? you think they dont abuse inhabitants of regions from which they operate? Governments, corporations and businesses are all made up of nothing more than people... you want to believe that blindly handing over your freedoms to a government master is going to bring peace, prosperity and health to the world??

Capitalism incentivizes short term profit at the expense of virtually everything else. Capitalists operating within that framework grab every possible dollar as soon as they can knowing, should disaster strike, government will bail them out. Since the political system this government operates within condones the purchase of politicians for those who can afford the price, corruption is baked into the political process. As bad as all that is, government in the US at least provides a measure of democratic control that corporations and state capitalists in China do not.

Capitalism incentivizes short term profit at the expense of virtually everything else.

What does communism incentivize?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Victims of malaria didn't die because of capitalism.
If anything, they died because of idiots banning DDT.

What's the ROI on endocrine disruptors?

https://www.quora.com/What-effect-does-DDT-have-on-the-human-endocrine-system

When you're dead of malaria, your endocrine system can't be disrupted, eh?

 

[protectionist]

LOL. You have me confused with someone else.

I have to agree. While you did vote for Trump, I would not consider you one of the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

I did vote for the asshole, but only because he was the lesser evil. Not sure he still is, which has me thinking I won’t bother voting again. If it’s Biden v Trump in November, I definitely won’t vote. Very little difference between them, though Biden clearly is senile.

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I left the GOP after Trump was elected. After 9/11, I waited for several years for the GOP to return to sanity and get back to principles.

When the tard herd chose Trump, I realized the GOP is dead and gone. So I left.

After a lifetime membership in the GOP, I am now a registered independent.

I did exactly the opposite of you. I went from Independent to Republican when Trump became a candidate. Voted for him in both the primary and general election.

What exactly are you unhappy about ? What "principles" are you talking about ?

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, there are some corporations that have corruption. You think the businesses in Communist China do not have corruption? you think they dont abuse inhabitants of regions from which they operate? Governments, corporations and businesses are all made up of nothing more than people... you want to believe that blindly handing over your freedoms to a government master is going to bring peace, prosperity and health to the world??

Capitalism incentivizes short term profit at the expense of virtually everything else. Capitalists operating within that framework grab every possible dollar as soon as they can knowing, should disaster strike, government will bail them out. Since the political system this government operates within condones the purchase of politicians for those who can afford the price, corruption is baked into the political process. As bad as all that is, government in the US at least provides a measure of democratic control that corporations and state capitalists in China do not.

Capitalism incentivizes short term profit at the expense of virtually everything else.

What does communism incentivize?

Gulags, totalitarianism, starvation.

 

[georgephillip]

See the problem?

Action in the market without the balancing caution brought n by fear of loss is a huge problem caused by government.

Caused by too much government power.

What provoked government to subsidize failed capitalists? Private fortunes large enough to bribe corrupt politicians. Fix the capitalist disease not the political symptom.

The Corruption of Capitalism | A Good Life

 

[Contumacious]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

WHAT?

Capitalism was abandoned in favor of fascism in the 1900's.


After 1900, virtually all public policy proposals called for more extensive governmental guidance.

Perhaps the television talksters could benefit from a bit of homeschooling. An excellent source of data is Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episode in the Growth of American Government by Robert Higgs (1987). The time frame of the period up to and into the 1920s, in other words those years before the Great Depression, included WWI. That dramatic episode birthed government expansion and intervention, much of which remained in regulatory force after the generating crisis had past.

A partial list of interventions — those government economic regulations — would include:

• 
  
  
  • Bureau of Corporations (1903)
  • Interstate Commerce Act major amendments (1903, 1906, 1910)
  • Meat Inspection Act (1906)
  • Pure Food and Drug Act (1906)
  • Corporation Tax (1911)
  • Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) (Income Tax)
  • Federal Reserve System (1913)
  • Clayton Antitrust Act (1914)
  • Federal Trade Commission (1914)
  • U.S. Immigration (cut to a trickle during 1915—1920)
  • Adamson Act (1916) (railroad labor wage rates)
  • Shipping Act (1916)
  • National Defense Act (1916)
  • Army Appropriations Act (1916) (later took over railroads)
  • Selective Service Act (1917)
  • Espionage Act (1917)
  • Lever Act (1917) (food and fuel) (prohibited alcohol)
  • Overman Act (1918) (executive powers)
  • War Finance Corporation Act (1918)
  • President’s Mediation Commission (1917) (labor relations)
  • Federal Control Act (1918)
  • Sedition Act (1918)

Does this look like a laissez-faire list?

,

The Fascists/Socialist/Communist Axis of Evil can't accept the fact that "capitalism" has NOTHING to do with the sorry-asssed response to the coronavirus hoax.


.

 

[dudmuck]

Leadership from the White House is scary!

And yet you and other leftists are screeching about the wonders of government top-down control and the need for more of it.

“Imagine if America was a dictatorship. You could let 1% of the people have all the nation's wealth. You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their taxes, and bailing them out when they gamble and lose. You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care and education. Your media would appear free, but would secretly be controlled by one person and his family! You could wiretap phones. You could torture foreign prisoners. You could have rigged elections. You could lie about why you go to war. You could fill your prisons with one particular racial group, and no one would complain. You could use the media to scare the people into supporting policies that are against their interests!”
- Admiral General Aladeen, 2012

 

[pknopp]

Here's a question that needs to be answered by all you aspiring socialists.

When you look around at what's happening right now, what part of it makes you say, "Mmboy, we need to live like this all the time!"?

We have long been living like this......

 

[LuckyDuck]

Did y’all catch Trumps presser ? Whole lotta commie socialist talk going on. Tests for everyone ? Bailouts ? Billion dollar aid packages ?!?


When push comes to shove , socialist type programs ain’t so bad . Or should we rely on capitalism alone to save us with price gouging?

This nation's founding document, has been a beacon for millions seeking "FREEDOM" from authoritarian governments, which include Marxist-Leninist authoritarian governments that imprison and shoot those that try to flee such governments. This nation (including the Scandinavian governments) are Free-Market-Capitalist nations that have "some" Socialist programs (in our case, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP and WIC). In the case of a Free-Market-Capitalist nation, any Social programs that are newly implemented, should be on a temporary basis to counteract any massive social emergency scenarios that occur, then close them down once normality has returned, otherwise over a short period, the economy would suffer.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

WHAT?

Capitalism was abandoned in favor of fascism in the 1900's.


After 1900, virtually all public policy proposals called for more extensive governmental guidance.

Perhaps the television talksters could benefit from a bit of homeschooling. An excellent source of data is Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episode in the Growth of American Government by Robert Higgs (1987). The time frame of the period up to and into the 1920s, in other words those years before the Great Depression, included WWI. That dramatic episode birthed government expansion and intervention, much of which remained in regulatory force after the generating crisis had past.

A partial list of interventions — those government economic regulations — would include:

• 
  
  
  • Bureau of Corporations (1903)
  • Interstate Commerce Act major amendments (1903, 1906, 1910)
  • Meat Inspection Act (1906)
  • Pure Food and Drug Act (1906)
  • Corporation Tax (1911)
  • Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) (Income Tax)
  • Federal Reserve System (1913)
  • Clayton Antitrust Act (1914)
  • Federal Trade Commission (1914)
  • U.S. Immigration (cut to a trickle during 1915—1920)
  • Adamson Act (1916) (railroad labor wage rates)
  • Shipping Act (1916)
  • National Defense Act (1916)
  • Army Appropriations Act (1916) (later took over railroads)
  • Selective Service Act (1917)
  • Espionage Act (1917)
  • Lever Act (1917) (food and fuel) (prohibited alcohol)
  • Overman Act (1918) (executive powers)
  • War Finance Corporation Act (1918)
  • President’s Mediation Commission (1917) (labor relations)
  • Federal Control Act (1918)
  • Sedition Act (1918)

Does this look like a laissez-faire list?

,

The Fascists/Socialist/Communist Axis of Evil can't accept the fact that "capitalism" has NOTHING to do with the sorry-asssed response to the coronavirus hoax.


.

I think that you are missing the point. The issue under discussion is more about the solution to the collapsing economy.

 

[Contumacious]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

WHAT?

Capitalism was abandoned in favor of fascism in the 1900's.


After 1900, virtually all public policy proposals called for more extensive governmental guidance.

Perhaps the television talksters could benefit from a bit of homeschooling. An excellent source of data is Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episode in the Growth of American Government by Robert Higgs (1987). The time frame of the period up to and into the 1920s, in other words those years before the Great Depression, included WWI. That dramatic episode birthed government expansion and intervention, much of which remained in regulatory force after the generating crisis had past.

A partial list of interventions — those government economic regulations — would include:

• 
  
  
  • Bureau of Corporations (1903)
  • Interstate Commerce Act major amendments (1903, 1906, 1910)
  • Meat Inspection Act (1906)
  • Pure Food and Drug Act (1906)
  • Corporation Tax (1911)
  • Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) (Income Tax)
  • Federal Reserve System (1913)
  • Clayton Antitrust Act (1914)
  • Federal Trade Commission (1914)
  • U.S. Immigration (cut to a trickle during 1915—1920)
  • Adamson Act (1916) (railroad labor wage rates)
  • Shipping Act (1916)
  • National Defense Act (1916)
  • Army Appropriations Act (1916) (later took over railroads)
  • Selective Service Act (1917)
  • Espionage Act (1917)
  • Lever Act (1917) (food and fuel) (prohibited alcohol)
  • Overman Act (1918) (executive powers)
  • War Finance Corporation Act (1918)
  • President’s Mediation Commission (1917) (labor relations)
  • Federal Control Act (1918)
  • Sedition Act (1918)

Does this look like a laissez-faire list?

,

The Fascists/Socialist/Communist Axis of Evil can't accept the fact that "capitalism" has NOTHING to do with the sorry-asssed response to the coronavirus hoax.


.

I think that you are missing the point. The issue under discussion is more about the solution to the collapsing economy.

Read the Libertarian Party Statement of Principles

ABOLISH THE GARGANTUAN WELFARE/WARFARE POLICE STATE

THAT'S ABOUT 99.9 % of the Laws adopted after 1900.

.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

WHAT?

Capitalism was abandoned in favor of fascism in the 1900's.


After 1900, virtually all public policy proposals called for more extensive governmental guidance.

Perhaps the television talksters could benefit from a bit of homeschooling. An excellent source of data is Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episode in the Growth of American Government by Robert Higgs (1987). The time frame of the period up to and into the 1920s, in other words those years before the Great Depression, included WWI. That dramatic episode birthed government expansion and intervention, much of which remained in regulatory force after the generating crisis had past.

A partial list of interventions — those government economic regulations — would include:

• 
  
  
  • Bureau of Corporations (1903)
  • Interstate Commerce Act major amendments (1903, 1906, 1910)
  • Meat Inspection Act (1906)
  • Pure Food and Drug Act (1906)
  • Corporation Tax (1911)
  • Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) (Income Tax)
  • Federal Reserve System (1913)
  • Clayton Antitrust Act (1914)
  • Federal Trade Commission (1914)
  • U.S. Immigration (cut to a trickle during 1915—1920)
  • Adamson Act (1916) (railroad labor wage rates)
  • Shipping Act (1916)
  • National Defense Act (1916)
  • Army Appropriations Act (1916) (later took over railroads)
  • Selective Service Act (1917)
  • Espionage Act (1917)
  • Lever Act (1917) (food and fuel) (prohibited alcohol)
  • Overman Act (1918) (executive powers)
  • War Finance Corporation Act (1918)
  • President’s Mediation Commission (1917) (labor relations)
  • Federal Control Act (1918)
  • Sedition Act (1918)

Does this look like a laissez-faire list?

,

The Fascists/Socialist/Communist Axis of Evil can't accept the fact that "capitalism" has NOTHING to do with the sorry-asssed response to the coronavirus hoax.


.

I think that you are missing the point. The issue under discussion is more about the solution to the collapsing economy.

Read the Libertarian Party Statement of Principles

ABOLISH THE GARGANTUAN WELFARE/WARFARE POLICE STATE

THAT'S ABOUT 99.9 % of the Laws adopted after 1900.

.

Not even slightly curious about Libertarian nonsense.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

See the problem?

Action in the market without the balancing caution brought n by fear of loss is a huge problem caused by government.

Caused by too much government power.

What provoked government to subsidize failed capitalists? Private fortunes large enough to bribe corrupt politicians. Fix the capitalist disease not the political symptom.

The Corruption of Capitalism | A Good Life

Government wielding the power to give out money to failures is what prompted failed government.

Capitalism is not the disease. You cannot control human nature. You can only harness it and make it useful.

The only reason they want to control government is because doing so gets them goodies, and it gets them goodies because it is way too powerful.

Government is the fucking problem and idiots who love government are enablers.

.
.

 

[Contumacious]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

WHAT?

Capitalism was abandoned in favor of fascism in the 1900's.


After 1900, virtually all public policy proposals called for more extensive governmental guidance.

Perhaps the television talksters could benefit from a bit of homeschooling. An excellent source of data is Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episode in the Growth of American Government by Robert Higgs (1987). The time frame of the period up to and into the 1920s, in other words those years before the Great Depression, included WWI. That dramatic episode birthed government expansion and intervention, much of which remained in regulatory force after the generating crisis had past.

A partial list of interventions — those government economic regulations — would include:

• 
  
  
  • Bureau of Corporations (1903)
  • Interstate Commerce Act major amendments (1903, 1906, 1910)
  • Meat Inspection Act (1906)
  • Pure Food and Drug Act (1906)
  • Corporation Tax (1911)
  • Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) (Income Tax)
  • Federal Reserve System (1913)
  • Clayton Antitrust Act (1914)
  • Federal Trade Commission (1914)
  • U.S. Immigration (cut to a trickle during 1915—1920)
  • Adamson Act (1916) (railroad labor wage rates)
  • Shipping Act (1916)
  • National Defense Act (1916)
  • Army Appropriations Act (1916) (later took over railroads)
  • Selective Service Act (1917)
  • Espionage Act (1917)
  • Lever Act (1917) (food and fuel) (prohibited alcohol)
  • Overman Act (1918) (executive powers)
  • War Finance Corporation Act (1918)
  • President’s Mediation Commission (1917) (labor relations)
  • Federal Control Act (1918)
  • Sedition Act (1918)

Does this look like a laissez-faire list?

,

The Fascists/Socialist/Communist Axis of Evil can't accept the fact that "capitalism" has NOTHING to do with the sorry-asssed response to the coronavirus hoax.


.

I think that you are missing the point. The issue under discussion is more about the solution to the collapsing economy.

Read the Libertarian Party Statement of Principles

ABOLISH THE GARGANTUAN WELFARE/WARFARE POLICE STATE

THAT'S ABOUT 99.9 % of the Laws adopted after 1900.

.

Not even slightly curious about Libertarian nonsense.

I fully understand that Americans are narcotized , reason Comrade Sanders is doing so well , Biden has adopted most of Sanders' platform without calling himself a socialist.

Meanwhile NY, Illinois, Pennsylvania and California declared medical martial Law without a factual basis and the shepple obediently complies

.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I am a fiscal conservative, and somewhat socially moderate, with a strong libertarian streak.

I feel my vote has to be earned. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" because it has resulted in more and more evil choices. A downward spiral.

Also, "lesser of two EVILS" means voting for EVIL. Fuck that.

So I vote for Snoopy or Pat Paulsen or anyone but the evil assholes the tard herd keeps falling for.

I can't even vote Libertarian because they are whackadoos.

By the time you reach a point where your only choice is between two evils, you've lost your opportunity to do anything different.

Now is the time to be thinking about who the better people are.

If you take Biden out of the picture, who do the demoncrats have in the on-deck circle ? Kamala Harris ?

They won't be winning anything for a long time.

At the same time the GOP is no better in terms of planning and succession.

There is no real frontrunner out there and if Mitt Romney runs again, I am leaving the party.

I hear conventional wisdom is expecting Nikki Haley to run in 2024.

I'm not really concerned about needing a "clear frontrunner", especially not this far out. I would much prefer to have a strong field of candidates and let the voters decide who the frontrunner is, than to have the party tell us who we should like and support.

She's crooked enough, the donor class would be into her.

Looking at the leaders of the Democrat Party for the last couple of decades, I have only one response to you trying to dismiss anyone as "crooked":

It is utterly bipartisan and ubiquitous isn't it, that's rather the point. That's why all partisanshitheads have is quibbling over who is less corrupt.

How do you feel about your political class hiding the pandemic that they knew was coming from the public so they could get their insider trading wrapped up?

Pretty sure the point where I called you a blathering hypocrite went right over your pointy head.

Call me when you notice that two of the members of "my political class" were Democrats, twerp.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Leadership from the White House is scary!

And yet you and other leftists are screeching about the wonders of government top-down control and the need for more of it.

“Imagine if America was a dictatorship. You could let 1% of the people have all the nation's wealth. You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their taxes, and bailing them out when they gamble and lose. You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care and education. Your media would appear free, but would secretly be controlled by one person and his family! You could wiretap phones. You could torture foreign prisoners. You could have rigged elections. You could lie about why you go to war. You could fill your prisons with one particular racial group, and no one would complain. You could use the media to scare the people into supporting policies that are against their interests!”
- Admiral General Aladeen, 2012

If you ever figure out what socialism actually is and manage to find a real example, you WILL let me know, won't you?

 

[dcbl]

Did y’all catch Trumps presser ? Whole lotta commie socialist talk going on. Tests for everyone ? Bailouts ? Billion dollar aid packages ?!?


When push comes to shove , socialist type programs ain’t so bad . Or should we rely on capitalism alone to save us with price gouging?

so, I thought I'd pop in to tell you that on this, you make a fair point

I have mixed feelings here, on the one hand, giving taxpayers their own money back is OK

but we seem to have a crisis that forces us to spend more than we take in every couple.of months....

how we going to pay for all of this?

and is a total shut down an overreaction?

truth is, I don't know

I do know that I hope that neither I nor any of of my loved ones gets this Chinese Virus....