Socialism threads bandwagon

[danielpalos]

It is not even close to how I would define it, but at least he had the balls to actually offer his definition. more than anyone else on here would do.

I'm content to let socialists define it themselves. Here's what the Democratic Socialists of America have to say:

What is Democratic Socialism?
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

Share in government not a share of the fruits of another person's labor

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That sounds just like government ownership of all means of production and distribution to me

Yep. But it seems that liberals are on a campaign to muddle the definition. I wonder why.

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

How about the dairy industry. They get in excess of 70% of their revenue from government subsidies. The government uses these subsidies to control the amount of milk produced and the price of the milk.

Does that come close to socialism?

 

[danielpalos]

I'm content to let socialists define it themselves. Here's what the Democratic Socialists of America have to say:

That sounds just like government ownership of all means of production and distribution to me

Yep. But it seems that liberals are on a campaign to muddle the definition. I wonder why.

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

The left has to lie. If they were honest, they'd lose every election.

in right wing fantasy, we really can rely on the right wing for the "gospel Truth".

 

[danielpalos]

I'm content to let socialists define it themselves. Here's what the Democratic Socialists of America have to say:

That sounds just like government ownership of all means of production and distribution to me

Yep. But it seems that liberals are on a campaign to muddle the definition. I wonder why.

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy in our alleged, capital economy.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I'm content to let socialists define it themselves. Here's what the Democratic Socialists of America have to say:

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

Share in government not a share of the fruits of another person's labor

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

the natural rate of unemployment is a fundamental part of Capitalism, to artificially remove it would have unforeseen consequences.

let the market be free.

 

[Blues Man]

I'm content to let socialists define it themselves. Here's what the Democratic Socialists of America have to say:

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

Share in government not a share of the fruits of another person's labor

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be.

I have had a job since I was 10 years old and was never once unemployed

and the 15 an hour MW wouldn't do anything for unemployment except increase it

 

[danielpalos]

That sounds just like government ownership of all means of production and distribution to me

Yep. But it seems that liberals are on a campaign to muddle the definition. I wonder why.

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

Government has all of the fiat dollar gold under our form of alleged Capitalism.

 

[Blues Man]

Yep. But it seems that liberals are on a campaign to muddle the definition. I wonder why.

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

How about the dairy industry. They get in excess of 70% of their revenue from government subsidies. The government uses these subsidies to control the amount of milk produced and the price of the milk.

Does that come close to socialism?

It only approaches socialism if the governemnt owns the means of production which in the Dairy industry'case would mean owning the farms and the cattle

 

[danielpalos]

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

Share in government not a share of the fruits of another person's labor

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

the natural rate of unemployment is a fundamental part of Capitalism, to artificially remove it would have unforeseen consequences.

let the market be free.

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

the market could be free within the fixed goalpost Standards fixed by Government for our social benefit.

 

[Blues Man]

Yep. But it seems that liberals are on a campaign to muddle the definition. I wonder why.

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

Government has all of the fiat dollar gold under our form of alleged Capitalism.

I own gold so the government doesn't have all of it

 

[danielpalos]

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

Share in government not a share of the fruits of another person's labor

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be.

I have had a job since I was 10 years old and was never once unemployed

and the 15 an hour MW wouldn't do anything for unemployment except increase it

why do you believe more people would not look for work with a higher minimum wage?

higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

 

[danielpalos]

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

How about the dairy industry. They get in excess of 70% of their revenue from government subsidies. The government uses these subsidies to control the amount of milk produced and the price of the milk.

Does that come close to socialism?

It only approaches socialism if the governemnt owns the means of production which in the Dairy industry'case would mean owning the farms and the cattle

subsidies are more market friendly as a form of socialism and controlling the means of production for social ends.

 

[danielpalos]

It is not just liberals, those on the right use the word to describe anything and everything they do not like that the government is doing.

The 10 to 20 threads a week on this board talking about socialism are not started by the liberals on the board.

Did you even read this thread and all the different definitions given by those on the right?

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

Government has all of the fiat dollar gold under our form of alleged Capitalism.

I own gold so the government doesn't have all of it

actual gold or certificates of deposit?

 

[Blues Man]

Share in government not a share of the fruits of another person's labor

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be.

I have had a job since I was 10 years old and was never once unemployed

and the 15 an hour MW wouldn't do anything for unemployment except increase it

why do you believe more people would not look for work with a higher minimum wage?

higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

They can look all they want they just won't be able to find a job because employers will not hire as many people

What supermarket is going to pay some guy 15 an hour to put stuff into plastic bags?

Hint people will be bagging their own groceries

 

[Blues Man]

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

Government has all of the fiat dollar gold under our form of alleged Capitalism.

I own gold so the government doesn't have all of it

actual gold or certificates of deposit?

the real thing.

I've been buying gold coins since I was 18

 

[danielpalos]

too late for that. black codes ruined that line of reasoning for the right wing.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment;

don't work if you don't have the moral fortitude to earn more, and pay more in taxes and create more in demand.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be.

I have had a job since I was 10 years old and was never once unemployed

and the 15 an hour MW wouldn't do anything for unemployment except increase it

why do you believe more people would not look for work with a higher minimum wage?

higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

They can look all they want they just won't be able to find a job because employers will not hire as many people

What supermarket is going to pay some guy 15 an hour to put stuff into plastic bags?

Hint people will be bagging their own groceries

Why should we care? Only lousy capitalists can Only make on Cheap labor. A first world economy is not inexpensive.

 

[Blues Man]

Well, many of the nitwits I don't bother reading at all, so maybe not. But most of what I've seen is the usual - state control of the economy. Then the liberals go on a denial spree.

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

How about the dairy industry. They get in excess of 70% of their revenue from government subsidies. The government uses these subsidies to control the amount of milk produced and the price of the milk.

Does that come close to socialism?

It only approaches socialism if the governemnt owns the means of production which in the Dairy industry'case would mean owning the farms and the cattle

subsidies are more market friendly as a form of socialism and controlling the means of production for social ends.

subsidies are not socialism by definition.

 

[danielpalos]

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

Government has all of the fiat dollar gold under our form of alleged Capitalism.

I own gold so the government doesn't have all of it

actual gold or certificates of deposit?

the real thing.

I've been buying gold coins since I was 18

How many rules have you been making, and should we start to blame You.

 

[Blues Man]

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be

Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment.

We merely need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to naturally increase labor market participation.

One is only unemployed if one chooses to be.

I have had a job since I was 10 years old and was never once unemployed

and the 15 an hour MW wouldn't do anything for unemployment except increase it

why do you believe more people would not look for work with a higher minimum wage?

higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

They can look all they want they just won't be able to find a job because employers will not hire as many people

What supermarket is going to pay some guy 15 an hour to put stuff into plastic bags?

Hint people will be bagging their own groceries

Why should we care? Only lousy capitalists can Only make on Cheap labor. A first world economy is not inexpensive.

it will be more expensive when people can't find work because businesses are hiring fewer people

 

[danielpalos]

Does the state control any of the economy in this country?

There is a difference between controlling parts of the economy via regulation of some sort and owning the means of production and distribution which would mean the government owns the economy

How about the dairy industry. They get in excess of 70% of their revenue from government subsidies. The government uses these subsidies to control the amount of milk produced and the price of the milk.

Does that come close to socialism?

It only approaches socialism if the governemnt owns the means of production which in the Dairy industry'case would mean owning the farms and the cattle

subsidies are more market friendly as a form of socialism and controlling the means of production for social ends.

subsidies are not socialism by definition.

income redistribution is socialism by definition. in right wing fantasy, you can plead so specially, you are Always right.