Socialized Healthcare. Italy May Not Treat The Elderly--COVID 19.

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Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
 
Only amateurs use Wikipedia. It's an unsecure site and can be edited by anyone
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Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?
I obviously know more on this topic than you do. Read this.
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care
 
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Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?

Because their main factor is we are not socialized, and that means only people with insurance or government plans are actually covered. We do treat all our citizens regardless.
I'm sorry to tell you this but I know for a fact you are lying by omission here. My wife is American and I know for a fact that the level of treatment someone receives differs significantly from person to person. And that beyond basic care, treatment is unavailable to significant portions of your populace by the simple means of it being unaffordable.

Nobody is dying in the street with our system. We have a law that everybody is entitled to emergency care regardless of ability to pay. Furthermore, hospitals and clinics often have charity accounts for those evil rich white people to contribute funds, so that people who have no resources can get care too.
Oh really? So you are claiming that everybody in the US gets all the care they require?

Perhaps not all the care, but enough to keep them going. If you want a sex change operation, or a face lift, and you have no money or coverage, you are shit out of luck. If you have a heart attack, the hospital is not going to refuse you at the emergency room doors because you have no coverage.
No, they won't. What they will refuse is make sure you get a new heart if you can't show you can pay for it.No Cash, No Heart. Transplant Centers Need to Know You Can Pay. If you have diabetes and you can't pay your insulin you are shit out of luck too. Etc. etc. So not just not all care you need but in some cases not even care you need to survive.
 
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Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?
 
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Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?

Because their main factor is we are not socialized, and that means only people with insurance or government plans are actually covered. We do treat all our citizens regardless.
I'm sorry to tell you this but I know for a fact you are lying by omission here. My wife is American and I know for a fact that the level of treatment someone receives differs significantly from person to person. And that beyond basic care, treatment is unavailable to significant portions of your populace by the simple means of it being unaffordable.

Nobody is dying in the street with our system. We have a law that everybody is entitled to emergency care regardless of ability to pay. Furthermore, hospitals and clinics often have charity accounts for those evil rich white people to contribute funds, so that people who have no resources can get care too.
Oh really? So you are claiming that everybody in the US gets all the care they require?

Perhaps not all the care, but enough to keep them going. If you want a sex change operation, or a face lift, and you have no money or coverage, you are shit out of luck. If you have a heart attack, the hospital is not going to refuse you at the emergency room doors because you have no coverage.

Mr. Fuckup probably wants the surgery to treat his gender confusion. That's why he is promoting a health care system more concerned about spreading advice to pregnant men than fighting say... a corona virus. We see the results...
 
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
 
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care
 
Health Care Resources
Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?
I obviously know more on this topic than you do. Read this.
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care
At this point, I doubt you can even read considering that your own article at best is talking about supplementary insurance not as it states moving to private healthcare.
 
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?
I obviously know more on this topic than you do. Read this.
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care
At this point, I doubt you can even read considering that your own article at best is talking about supplementary insurance not as it states moving to private healthcare.

You can do as you please. It's probably for better you get conquered by Muslims seeing the stupidity.

Just don't come to an American forum and tell us how we should do without expecting the end result to be that you will be told to go fuck yourself, fuckup.
 
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?

Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
 
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.

Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?
I obviously know more on this topic than you do. Read this.
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care
At this point, I doubt you can even read considering that your own article at best is talking about supplementary insurance not as it states moving to private healthcare.
Oh, you poor pitiful creature.
 
Italy is facing serious challenges, with demand for critical care far outstripping supply. Health officials there are having to make very difficult decisions about who to treat – in the knowledge that deciding not to treat will very likely lead to death.

On Thursday the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care, issued guidelines advising doctors how to deploy scarce resources when the need for them is outstripped by the demand of critically ill patients. The guidelines state that priority should be given to those who have, first, “greater likelihood of survival and, second, who have more potential years of life”.

As a result, patients with underlying conditions and elderly patients, who are deemed to stand less chance of surviving the virus, may not be treated in favour of healthier and/or younger people who have more chance of recovery.

In the coming months we may face a similar situation in the UK where we do not have the resources necessary to treat all people who will catch Covid-19. So how do healthcare professionals decide who to treat?


Coronavirus may force UK doctors to decide who they’ll save | Jonathan Ives

Very frightening indeed. If you have chronic illnesses or are elderly, what would be going through your mind if you were diagnosed with COVID 19 in Italy, and possibly the entire UK down the road? As a person with both problems, I can tell you I would be scared Shtless.

But I don't have to worry about that, because I'm in the United States, and in the United States, we don't have socialized medical care. If I would unfortunately get the virus, I know I'll be well cared for. If my 88 year old father would get the virus, I know he will be well cared for. Same for my 86 year old mother.
This doesn't say much for socialism or Bernie. Hmmm, in England he would not be treated. That something for him to consider.
 
Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?

Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Where do you live?
 
List of OECD countries by hospital beds - Wikipedia
The US doesn't exactly lead the charts here. So explain to me what the excuse is for your for-profit system?
Only amateurs use Wikipedia. It's an unsecure site and can be edited by anyone
Health Care Resources
Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.
You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.
Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.
 
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?

Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Where do you live?
Belgium
 
Horseshit.

Of course the capacity of the system and how well it has prepared has everything to do with how well it fares.

In socialist medicine countries they have allocated their resources to cutting of penises from children so that they can become their true selves. Virus treatment is secondary.
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?

Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.

Again, colluding in foreign elections is not work.

I have yet to know of a productive person whose instinct is to go and tell foreign nationals how to live. Especially from nations that are being taken over by Muslims. Only worthless people feel insignificant enough to do so.
 
And that's from your extensive knowledge of socialized healthcare? As to capacity. I've already shown the statistics that the US has fewer hospital beds than most countries that have socialized medicine. It scores mediocre in the number of doctors per capita too. So what does that say about for-profit healthcare if it lacks that much capacity compared to other nations?

We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?

Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.

Again, colluding in foreign elections is not work.

I have yet to know of a productive person whose instinct is to go and tell foreign nationals how to live. Especially from nations that are taken over by Muslims. Only worthless people feel insignificant enough to do so.
Don't look but you just tried to tell me how to live. In this case, in fear of people because they have a different religion than me.
 
It's called triage. We have the same thing here only they include ability to pay in the decision. There are only so many resources available in any medical system. After the limits are exceeded doctors and managers start making these terrible decisions of who to treat and who to pray for. Our own system is about to be stressed beyond their limits and people will die from lack of treatment. Deal with it.

Yep, same thing will happen here if we get to the point we have to ration care because ofn limited bed space, equipment or personnel.
I'm specifically thinking about our local rural hospital. It's been hanging by a thread for years. We have a lot of retired people here who routinely have to travel 80 miles for routine appointments with doctors. We limp along with nurse practitioners and part-time doctors. When that shit gets here we are fucked. We are isolated but we are also a vacation destination. There are millions of Americans that are at the mercy of already stressed medical services with no reserve capacity.
 
We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.

Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?

To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?

Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Where do you live?
Belgium

Population of Belgium: 11 million.

New York has almost that amount on a good day.

And this idiot thinks he has a clue about running a country of over 300 million.

I do understand that sometimes these people just want to take a shit on US, but if he actually thinks that, he is fucking delusional.
 
Italy is facing serious challenges, with demand for critical care far outstripping supply. Health officials there are having to make very difficult decisions about who to treat – in the knowledge that deciding not to treat will very likely lead to death.

On Thursday the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care, issued guidelines advising doctors how to deploy scarce resources when the need for them is outstripped by the demand of critically ill patients. The guidelines state that priority should be given to those who have, first, “greater likelihood of survival and, second, who have more potential years of life”.

As a result, patients with underlying conditions and elderly patients, who are deemed to stand less chance of surviving the virus, may not be treated in favour of healthier and/or younger people who have more chance of recovery.

In the coming months we may face a similar situation in the UK where we do not have the resources necessary to treat all people who will catch Covid-19. So how do healthcare professionals decide who to treat?


Coronavirus may force UK doctors to decide who they’ll save | Jonathan Ives

Very frightening indeed. If you have chronic illnesses or are elderly, what would be going through your mind if you were diagnosed with COVID 19 in Italy, and possibly the entire UK down the road? As a person with both problems, I can tell you I would be scared Shtless.

But I don't have to worry about that, because I'm in the United States, and in the United States, we don't have socialized medical care. If I would unfortunately get the virus, I know I'll be well cared for. If my 88 year old father would get the virus, I know he will be well cared for. Same for my 86 year old mother.

Think again. Italy and the UK have more hospital beds and ventilators per 1000 of population than the United States.

Care isn't being rationed because of socialized medicine. It's being rationed because of a lack of beds, doctors, nurses and equipment, and there are fewer beds and ventilators in the USA than in either GB or Italy, based on population. The only hope you have is to slow the spread of the virus, and Trump blew that when the USA went for 6 weeks without testing.
 

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