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Don't look but you just tried to tell me how to live. In this case, in fear of people because they have a different religion than me.Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.
Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Again, colluding in foreign elections is not work.
I have yet to know of a productive person whose instinct is to go and tell foreign nationals how to live. Especially from nations that are taken over by Muslims. Only worthless people feel insignificant enough to do so.
Sure but Germany has 82 million they have about the same results that Belgium has when it comes to healthcare. Japan 126 million, comparable or even slightly better. Why is it that we can scale up the population of countries and socialized medicine will get a comparable result but when it comes to the US all of a sudden it becomes impossible?BelgiumWhere do you live?Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?
To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Population of Belgium: 11 million.
New York has almost that amount on a good day.
And this idiot thinks he has a clue about running a country of over 300 million.
I do understand that sometimes these people just want to take a shit on US, but if he actually thinks that, he is fucking delusional.
Sure but Germany has 82 million they have about the same results that Belgium has when it comes to healthcare. Japan 126 million, comparable or even slightly better. Why is it that we can scale up the population of countries and socialized medicine will get a comparable result but when it comes to the US all of a sudden it becomes impossible?BelgiumWhere do you live?Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Population of Belgium: 11 million.
New York has almost that amount on a good day.
And this idiot thinks he has a clue about running a country of over 300 million.
I do understand that sometimes these people just want to take a shit on US, but if he actually thinks that, he is fucking delusional.
I'm specifically thinking about our local rural hospital. It's been hanging by a thread for years. We have a lot of retired people here who routinely have to travel 80 miles for routine appointments with doctors. We limp along with nurse practitioners and part-time doctors. When that shit gets here we are fucked. We are isolated but we are also a vacation destination. There are millions of Americans that are at the mercy of already stressed medical services with no reserve capacity.It's called triage. We have the same thing here only they include ability to pay in the decision. There are only so many resources available in any medical system. After the limits are exceeded doctors and managers start making these terrible decisions of who to treat and who to pray for. Our own system is about to be stressed beyond their limits and people will die from lack of treatment. Deal with it.
Yep, same thing will happen here if we get to the point we have to ration care because ofn limited bed space, equipment or personnel.
See how easy it is to tell people how you feel they should live. But from one unproductive person to another, fuck you kindly.Don't look but you just tried to tell me how to live. In this case, in fear of people because they have a different religion than me.Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?
To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Again, colluding in foreign elections is not work.
I have yet to know of a productive person whose instinct is to go and tell foreign nationals how to live. Especially from nations that are taken over by Muslims. Only worthless people feel insignificant enough to do so.
Actually they want you dead, and you and your civilization replaced.
But please don't have common sense... I mean fear... take it in the ass with pride, the Belgian way!
I agree with the Muslims, Belgian civilization is shit if this is the average Belgian. Better replace it and the cucks in it with something worthwhile.
It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.Health Care ResourcesOnly amateurs use Wikipedia. It's an unsecure site and can be edited by anyone
Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
See how easy it is to tell people how you feel they should live. But from one unproductive person to another, fuck you kindly.Don't look but you just tried to tell me how to live. In this case, in fear of people because they have a different religion than me.Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Again, colluding in foreign elections is not work.
I have yet to know of a productive person whose instinct is to go and tell foreign nationals how to live. Especially from nations that are taken over by Muslims. Only worthless people feel insignificant enough to do so.
Actually they want you dead, and you and your civilization replaced.
But please don't have common sense... I mean fear... take it in the ass with pride, the Belgian way!
I agree with the Muslims, Belgian civilization is shit if this is the average Belgian. Better replace it and the cucks in it with something worthwhile.
It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.Health Care Resources
Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
You don't have socialist healthcare.BelgiumWhere do you live?Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?We are far ahead of Europe in Corona virus cases. Maybe because you guys seem to have severe trouble keeping your borders closed, accepting invaders of all stripes.
Go fuck yourself, we don't care about your opinions or your stupidity. We reject your stupid socialized plans outright. Beg for free shit in your own country, soy-boy.
To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
And you can, of course, prove this? Your life expectancy is considerably lower, you have a higher mortality rate in most categories of preventable deaths. A notable exception is cancer where you score slightly better. So again why are your supposedly better doctors and technology not reflected in actual statistics?https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.Health Care Resources
Original source cited by Wikipedia. Stats are still the same. So why does the US compare so badly against most countries that have socialized medicine?
And you can, of course, prove this? Your life expectancy is considerably lower, you have a higher mortality rate in most categories of preventable deaths. A notable exception is cancer where you score slightly better. So again why are your supposedly better doctors and technology not reflected in actual statistics?https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
We have a healthcare system largely financed by taxes. State-run hospitals. Government-controlled prices for medicine etc. etc. Most countries that you consider having socialized healthcare have some version of this.You don't have socialist healthcare.BelgiumWhere do you live?Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?Free shit? You do realize that when I pay taxes for something I'm actually not getting it for free right?
To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Propaganda. Healthcare isn't a right. You have the right to live healthy, but you don't have a right to healthcare any more than you have a right to a free car.And you can, of course, prove this? Your life expectancy is considerably lower, you have a higher mortality rate in most categories of preventable deaths. A notable exception is cancer where you score slightly better. So again why are your supposedly better doctors and technology not reflected in actual statistics?https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.It doesn't. Italy has socialist medicine and thet are going to focus on younger people instead of seniors during the coronavirus epidemic.
We have a healthcare system largely financed by taxes. State-run hospitals. Government-controlled prices for medicine etc. etc. Most countries that you consider having socialized healthcare have some version of this.You don't have socialist healthcare.BelgiumWhere do you live?Wow, your psychic ability baffles me. You can see from behind a computer screen that I don't work?To pay taxes you would have to work first. Colluding in American elections is not work.
Chances are I work more hours a year than most people on this board, but hey regale me some more with your insights. Who knows maybe someday you'll guess right.
Yes, I didn't even mention that we have four ambulances for the whole county and takes a minimum of 2 1/2 - 3 hours to transport someone to a real hospital. Also our closest big hospital is still at diminished capacity due to being fucked up in hurricane Michael.I'm specifically thinking about our local rural hospital. It's been hanging by a thread for years. We have a lot of retired people here who routinely have to travel 80 miles for routine appointments with doctors. We limp along with nurse practitioners and part-time doctors. When that shit gets here we are fucked. We are isolated but we are also a vacation destination. There are millions of Americans that are at the mercy of already stressed medical services with no reserve capacity.It's called triage. We have the same thing here only they include ability to pay in the decision. There are only so many resources available in any medical system. After the limits are exceeded doctors and managers start making these terrible decisions of who to treat and who to pray for. Our own system is about to be stressed beyond their limits and people will die from lack of treatment. Deal with it.
Yep, same thing will happen here if we get to the point we have to ration care because ofn limited bed space, equipment or personnel.
Yeah, this would obviously exasperate the problem. Also, federal help (which isn't a given anymore) is going to arrive at population centers first which is a form of rationing.
Yes, I didn't even mention that we have four ambulances for the whole county and takes a minimum of 2 1/2 - 3 hours to transport someone to a real hospital. Also our closest big hospital is still at diminished capacity due to being fucked up in hurricane Michael.I'm specifically thinking about our local rural hospital. It's been hanging by a thread for years. We have a lot of retired people here who routinely have to travel 80 miles for routine appointments with doctors. We limp along with nurse practitioners and part-time doctors. When that shit gets here we are fucked. We are isolated but we are also a vacation destination. There are millions of Americans that are at the mercy of already stressed medical services with no reserve capacity.It's called triage. We have the same thing here only they include ability to pay in the decision. There are only so many resources available in any medical system. After the limits are exceeded doctors and managers start making these terrible decisions of who to treat and who to pray for. Our own system is about to be stressed beyond their limits and people will die from lack of treatment. Deal with it.
Yep, same thing will happen here if we get to the point we have to ration care because ofn limited bed space, equipment or personnel.
Yeah, this would obviously exasperate the problem. Also, federal help (which isn't a given anymore) is going to arrive at population centers first which is a form of rationing.
Sure this is an answer to something just not to what I asked. You asserted that the US has better technology and doctors than the rest of the world. I asked why this isn't reflected in actual statistics? Usually, when people make assertions in a debate setting they are required to be able to back it up. So go ahead.Propaganda. Healthcare isn't a right. You have the right to live healthy, but you don't have a right to healthcare any more than you have a right to a free car.And you can, of course, prove this? Your life expectancy is considerably lower, you have a higher mortality rate in most categories of preventable deaths. A notable exception is cancer where you score slightly better. So again why are your supposedly better doctors and technology not reflected in actual statistics?https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.Italy is having to triage. The rules of triage have absolutely nothing to do with having socialized or for-profit medicine if applied correctly.
Sure this is an answer to something just not to what I asked. You asserted that the US has better technology and doctors than the rest of the world. I asked why this isn't reflected in actual statistics? Usually, when people make assertions in a debate setting they are required to be able to back it up. So go ahead.Propaganda. Healthcare isn't a right. You have the right to live healthy, but you don't have a right to healthcare any more than you have a right to a free car.And you can, of course, prove this? Your life expectancy is considerably lower, you have a higher mortality rate in most categories of preventable deaths. A notable exception is cancer where you score slightly better. So again why are your supposedly better doctors and technology not reflected in actual statistics?https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.You're not gonne win me over, so you might as well move on and sell your propaganda to some naive college kids.
I kind of decided not to reply to you anymore but this is just to much fun. First, you go on a little tantrum about Muslims overwhelming us and now you are calling Belgium a profoundly racist nation.Sure this is an answer to something just not to what I asked. You asserted that the US has better technology and doctors than the rest of the world. I asked why this isn't reflected in actual statistics? Usually, when people make assertions in a debate setting they are required to be able to back it up. So go ahead.Propaganda. Healthcare isn't a right. You have the right to live healthy, but you don't have a right to healthcare any more than you have a right to a free car.And you can, of course, prove this? Your life expectancy is considerably lower, you have a higher mortality rate in most categories of preventable deaths. A notable exception is cancer where you score slightly better. So again why are your supposedly better doctors and technology not reflected in actual statistics?https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/It's superior because we have the better doctors and technology. We don't have to wait for surgery.Never had the slightest illusion I could win you over. Nor do I have the illusion that any of you will ever be able to come up with a rational argument as to why you consider for-profit healthcare superior.
It's because the statistics have nothing to do with our medical technology.
It's also because you live in a profoundly racist nation that hasn't accepted almost any black people in, who have lesser life expectancy.
Italy is facing serious challenges, with demand for critical care far outstripping supply. Health officials there are having to make very difficult decisions about who to treat – in the knowledge that deciding not to treat will very likely lead to death.
On Thursday the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care, issued guidelines advising doctors how to deploy scarce resources when the need for them is outstripped by the demand of critically ill patients. The guidelines state that priority should be given to those who have, first, “greater likelihood of survival and, second, who have more potential years of life”.
As a result, patients with underlying conditions and elderly patients, who are deemed to stand less chance of surviving the virus, may not be treated in favour of healthier and/or younger people who have more chance of recovery.
In the coming months we may face a similar situation in the UK where we do not have the resources necessary to treat all people who will catch Covid-19. So how do healthcare professionals decide who to treat?
Coronavirus may force UK doctors to decide who they’ll save | Jonathan Ives
Very frightening indeed. If you have chronic illnesses or are elderly, what would be going through your mind if you were diagnosed with COVID 19 in Italy, and possibly the entire UK down the road? As a person with both problems, I can tell you I would be scared Shtless.
But I don't have to worry about that, because I'm in the United States, and in the United States, we don't have socialized medical care. If I would unfortunately get the virus, I know I'll be well cared for. If my 88 year old father would get the virus, I know he will be well cared for. Same for my 86 year old mother.
It has already been stated by several health and medical experts that the U.S. may reach the same crisis of having to ration and triage between life and death. Socialized healthcare has nothing to do with it. It's all about resources and supply and demand.
We have more and better resources than anybody in the world. We attract the best medical professionals from around the world as well.
The very first step is prevention, which we are making headway very quickly. Technology is the second, which again, we are processing tests faster and faster. Trump instituted a travel ban, Governors across the country are asking places to close down or greatly reduce the amount of customers. We are canceling college classes and even grade school switching over to video educating in it's place.
