Sodom and then some

[Taz]

Genesis 19 King James Version (KJV)

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.

14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the Lord will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from theLord out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before theLord:

28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

King James Version (KJV)
by Public Domain

King James was a bonesmuggler, did you even know that?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Sodom? So you're not into ass-fucking? I don't get it.

Sodomy often includes oral sex.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jeremiah is very close to becoming one of the false preachers of the day as Boldea is already one of the false prophets.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Sodom? So you're not into ass-fucking? I don't get it.

Sodomy often includes oral sex.

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

This is the testimony of Mary K. Baxter from her book, Divine Revelations of Hell. I have read the book more than once and it is very compelling and will open your eyes to the truth about hell. Throughout the ages the LORD has given his servants visions of hell. It is a real place. It is not imaginary. It is a real place and it is eternal. Christians, if you know people trapped in sin you are to warn them and tell them about hell. Show them the truth and tell them that Jesus Christ loves them and does not want them to go there. Pray for them that the LORD will open their eyes to see the glorious light of the Gospel and that their ears will be opened to hear the truth.

There is salvation in the name of Jesus Christ, there is deliverance in name of Jesus Christ, there is healing in name of Jesus Christ. There is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved. No other name. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. No man can come to the Father except through the Son. God has made a way where there was no way - the good news is - God sent His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ to redeem us. That Whosoever would believe on Him may receive everlasting life. Jesus has come to redeem us from the curse of sin and death. We can come to Christ today and be forgiven of our sins, we can be saved. Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. The path to heaven is narrow. Wide is the road that leads to destruction. Are you trapped in the sin of homosexuality? There is deliverance through Jesus Christ. Come to the LORD, repent of your sins and ask Him to save you today. Read Romans 10:9,10 and do it! The LORD will give you a new heart and you will desire to serve Him. Only Jesus Christ can set you free from the bondage of sin and death. Today is the day of salvation. The LORD loves you and is not willing that any should perish. If you are willing to turn from your sin and turn to Jesus Christ - He will receive you. Come to the LORD today.

Here is Mary K. Baxter sharing what she saw:

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mrs. Betty Bowers, Briefly...

 

[Taz]

Sodom? So you're not into ass-fucking? I don't get it.

Sodomy often includes oral sex.

So you don't get any head???

 

[Taz]

Sodom? So you're not into ass-fucking? I don't get it.

Sodomy often includes oral sex.

So you still get anal sex or not?

 

[HaShev]

Hashev, the Scriptures are clear that there is a veil over the eyes of many Jewish people (you are one of those Jewish people I believe) at this time because as Jesus Christ told the woman at the well - salvation is of the Jews. (See John Chapter 4) Right now God is calling the Gentile people as they hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ to receive His Son as Lord and Savior. Those who receive Jesus as Messiah are grafted into the family of Abraham. Abraham was justified by faith, not works.

The time will come when God will remove the veil from your eyes and you will see (I believe by faith and my prayers for you) that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and you will joyfully receive Him.
Even now there are approximately 1 million Jewish people who have already received Jesus Christ as Yeshua HaMashiah so there are many Jews being saved. But there are still many who will come to Messiah in the future.

The important thing to know is that God loves you and that His ways are higher than mans ways. God is in full control.

Wrong, where do we begin.
1) your argument would be arguing against the NT which says *Jesus isn't the son of man *and arguing against Jesus himself who said son of man is another to come in his own new name.
2) your response did not address these things and made things worse for you.=excuses that backfired.
3) the Thresher (removing the thin veil)is Michael hence the Temple (Mikdash)being also called Mikdosh (Dosh means threasher, please learn Hebrew before professing a claim to know these things in HEBREW scripture)
4) the veil is removed by Moshiach says Isaiah and Isaiah already reveals that is Michael.
5) Isaiah 66:19 says you the gentile have not yet seen the face of God (this is regarding the procession to come at the Mikdash) where you the gentile will finally be taught about the figurative face (Essence) we call God.

You keep bashing your own text ,
own prophet, and the OT and twisting everything opposite.

*Sources*:
The created figure Jesus spoke and taught of son of man to come third person tense
(LUKE 6:5, 9:26 , 9:55-56, 12:10 , 17:30 , 18:8, 22:69, John 3:13, Matthew 25:11-13, Mark 14:62
and Mathew20:28) including claiming he was emulating him (Rev 1:13)
and that son of man would come as another being in his own new name and that even he (probably Christ Theudas of the AD era) would see son of man with the others, truly wording that he's the spectator not the head of host everyone will finally see.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

You don't begin, HaShev. The Word of God isn't asking for your interpretation. You have not even recognized who the Word of God is yet. Read the Bible with an open and willing heart and ask the God to reveal the Messiah to you. That is my advice to you.


If you want to participate in the discussion - address the topic. Do you believe sodomy to be a sin? Do you agree with the Word of God or deny Him?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

If you are going to use the OT to further your agenda, then you have to tell everything...

Lot... whom you claim to be the only righteous man in the city of Sodom offered up his daughters, (as his possessions) to be raped to satisfy any perceived lust held by the crowd- so the visitors to his home could be spared.

& later, his daughters got him drunk & he had sex with them. Sorry Jerremiah.. but I don't care how drunk a man can get... he should still have the where with all, not to commit incest with his daughters.

And as far as abortion, Numbers 5: 11-31, goes into explicit detail about the fact that if a husband even suspects his wife of infidelity, she will be made to drink a certain concoction prepared by a priest to induce a miscarriage (abortion) so she would not carry another man's offspring.

This is one of the many things wrong with fundies' efforts to stop marriage equality, abortion, etc -

Their own bible is full of all of that and more.

And bring up the welfare of children and the fundies disappear.

That is not true. It is the Christians who defend the lives of unborn children and speak out against the murder of over 50 million babies and the sale of their dead body parts by Planned Parenthood. I've not heard you speak out against the murder of unborn babies by Planned Parenthood even once, Luddly. Why is that?

 

[jillian]

For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luke 17:24-30

*yawn*

obsession about anything is never healthy. seek help

 

[jillian]

You don't begin, HaShev. The Word of God isn't asking for your interpretation. You have not even recognized who the Word of God is yet. Read the Bible with an open and willing heart and ask the God to reveal the Messiah to you. That is my advice to you.


If you want to participate in the discussion - address the topic. Do you believe sodomy to be a sin? Do you agree with the Word of God or deny Him?

you know that in the old testament it says anything else is by pretenders, right?

and yes, interpretation is everything.... unless of course you're too stupid to think.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It is written:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jeremiah sees her ultimate ending. Sad for her.

It is written:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

 

[HaShev]

Jeremiah wrong reply, stop making my posts like the Rosh Hashanah one come to life by showing exactly what Imean about excuses.

Have a nice week Jeremiah.....

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luke 17:24-30

*yawn*

obsession about anything is never healthy. seek help

Abraham,Moses, King David, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, the Apostle Paul and many more who followed and obeyed the LORD would disagree with you.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Jeremiah wrong reply, stop making my posts like the Rosh Hashanah one come to life by showing exactly what Imean about excuses.

Have a nice week Jeremiah.....

Thank you, HaShev! I hope you have a nice week too! L'shana Tovah to you and your loved ones!