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The president's executive order requires departments to change regulations. As long as those regulations are within the scope of the law, they are legal. Immigration law gives the president great latitude on enforcement of immigration law. Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, and both Bush I and II have issued executive orders that have defrayed deportations or have admitted millions of otherwise illegal immigrants, all without the approval of congress.So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.
Absolute bunk. Congress granted amnesty on a few occasions and the president executed the law. There's no comparison to what Hussein is doing.The president's executive order requires departments to change regulations. As long as those regulations are within the scope of the law, they are legal. Immigration law gives the president great latitude on enforcement of immigration law. Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, and both Bush I and II have issued executive orders that have defrayed deportations or have admitted millions of otherwise illegal immigrants, all without the approval of congress.So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.
TooTall is not interested in discussion only in he is right. That's why he is wrong here.
For instance, he can't providence constant number on illegal aliens in the country.
For instance, he does not understand the difference between EOs and EAs.
I gave the exact numbers as published by the government, and perhaps you will tell me if Obama issued an EO or an EA on immigration. I seriously doubt that you know.
Absolute bunk. Congress granted amnesty on a few occasions and the president executed the law. There's no comparison to what Hussein is doing.The president's executive order requires departments to change regulations. As long as those regulations are within the scope of the law, they are legal. Immigration law gives the president great latitude on enforcement of immigration law. Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, and both Bush I and II have issued executive orders that have defrayed deportations or have admitted millions of otherwise illegal immigrants, all without the approval of congress.So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.
So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
In July 1989, the Senate moved to protect a bigger group—all spouses and children of those who legalized under IRCA. The Senate passed legislation 81-17 that prohibited the administration from deporting family members of immigrants in the process of legalizing and directed officials to grant them work authorization. The House failed to act on the Senate’s bill.Absolute bunk. Congress granted amnesty on a few occasions and the president executed the law. There's no comparison to what Hussein is doing.The president's executive order requires departments to change regulations. As long as those regulations are within the scope of the law, they are legal. Immigration law gives the president great latitude on enforcement of immigration law. Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, and both Bush I and II have issued executive orders that have defrayed deportations or have admitted millions of otherwise illegal immigrants, all without the approval of congress.So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.
In July 1989, the Senate moved to protect a bigger group—all spouses and children of those who legalized under IRCA. The Senate passed legislation 81-17 that prohibited the administration from deporting family members of immigrants in the process of legalizing and directed officials to grant them work authorization. The House failed to act on the Senate’s bill.Absolute bunk. Congress granted amnesty on a few occasions and the president executed the law. There's no comparison to what Hussein is doing.The president's executive order requires departments to change regulations. As long as those regulations are within the scope of the law, they are legal. Immigration law gives the president great latitude on enforcement of immigration law. Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, and both Bush I and II have issued executive orders that have defrayed deportations or have admitted millions of otherwise illegal immigrants, all without the approval of congress.So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.
George Bush Sr. then responded in February 1990 by administratively implementing the Senate bill’s provisions himself without approval of congress to back his action. This executive order protected 1.5 million from deportation. President after president have stop deportations and authorized the immigration of those that could have only enter the country illegally. Like Obama, they were all within the scope of the law.
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When Reagan and GHW Bush took bold executive action on immigration TheHill
So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
I take that mealy mouthed answer as an admission the Obama issued an EA and is a lying sack of dog squeeze for telling his base that he took action to change the law.
My numbers were from the government and were linked. Next!
So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.
No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
I take that mealy mouthed answer as an admission the Obama issued an EA and is a lying sack of dog squeeze for telling his base that he took action to change the law.
My numbers were from the government and were linked. Next!
All of my numbers were linked and were in context. Yours? Meh.
That you don't know the difference between executive orders etc is your problem, son, no one else.
You droids' hatred twists evidence and critical thinking into stupid conclusions.
The black man is president and will remain so. The brown people will not be mass deported.
The EO give the Congress a several month window to act: do so.
You don't what is an EO, obviously.
Your opinion is not the definition of EO, bub.
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Because we only have so much money each year to deport these immigrants, only 400k or so a year can be deported....(and it could be even less than that if they divert some of the INS budgeted money towards increasing our security along the border)
And waiting 27.5 years to deport all of these 11 million is just too long....
Who do you think should be deported first since it is so limited? To me, the sooner they get the gangsters, gang members, drug dealers, and the likes of such deported, would be better for all Americans safety. It costs money to deport these illegals, and the money is limited.
The parents of US Citizen children, due to our laws on the books, can not be easily deported and no one, except a handful, truly want to separate these children from their family unit, especially when the parents are law abiding parents outside of their initial misdemeanor of staying beyond their Visa or crossing the border illegally....
Basically, IF SOME of the 11 million ILLEGALS can't be deported immediately, who would be best to keep?
My problem with all of this, is not who Obama chose to delay deportation on, or him prioritizing....which is necessary under the circumstances...
but is with Congress's inaction on this immigration problem that we have.... if they don't fund more deportations and fund a more secure border, and don't penalize employers for hiring illegals to a degree that really hurts them, and don't change our guest working visa quantities and simplify the process, then 20 years from now, we will be in the same boat...
it'll be groundhog day.
"Sates sue to rein in Obama's illegal amnesty"
Again, the president's order is neither 'illegal' nor 'amnesty.'
The president's order is supported by Federal law reaffirmed as Constitutional by the Supreme Court.
The suit is devoid of merit, no court will hear the case as immigration policy is the sole purview of the Federal government.
He took action to change the law, but he didn't really change the law. What does that mean?
You'll never understand the answer to your question until you understand how absurd your question is. And you'll never understand that until you recognize that not all law is statutory.
What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law? All I understand is Obama said "I took action to change the law." and now I am told he did not change the law. My next 'absurd' question is, did his action change the law or was he just lying and pandering to illegal immigrants?
He took action to change the law, but he didn't really change the law. What does that mean?
You'll never understand the answer to your question until you understand how absurd your question is. And you'll never understand that until you recognize that not all law is statutory.
What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law? All I understand is Obama said "I took action to change the law." and now I am told he did not change the law. My next 'absurd' question is, did his action change the law or was he just lying and pandering to illegal immigrants?
Has anyone actually seen any written order from the president at all, or is he claiming that he can now change the law just by saying he wants to do so?
That's true as far as it goes. However, Congress did not approve setting aside deportation of 1.5 million family members. H.W. Bush issued an executive order to do what congress did not do. I certainly approve of his actions but they were his doings not congress. Bush took advantages of loopholes in enforcement of the law which is exactly what Obama did.In July 1989, the Senate moved to protect a bigger group—all spouses and children of those who legalized under IRCA. The Senate passed legislation 81-17 that prohibited the administration from deporting family members of immigrants in the process of legalizing and directed officials to grant them work authorization. The House failed to act on the Senate’s bill.Absolute bunk. Congress granted amnesty on a few occasions and the president executed the law. There's no comparison to what Hussein is doing.The president's executive order requires departments to change regulations. As long as those regulations are within the scope of the law, they are legal. Immigration law gives the president great latitude on enforcement of immigration law. Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, and both Bush I and II have issued executive orders that have defrayed deportations or have admitted millions of otherwise illegal immigrants, all without the approval of congress.No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.
You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.
But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.
George Bush Sr. then responded in February 1990 by administratively implementing the Senate bill’s provisions himself without approval of congress to back his action. This executive order protected 1.5 million from deportation. President after president have stop deportations and authorized the immigration of those that could have only enter the country illegally. Like Obama, they were all within the scope of the law.
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When Reagan and GHW Bush took bold executive action on immigration TheHill
This is what Bush Sr was enforcing.
S. 1200; Pub.L. 99-603; 100 Stat. 3359.
99th Congress; November 6, 1986.
You can find the full text of this law here or download the PDF.
SUMMARY
The Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed and signed into law on November 6, 1986. The purpose of this legislation was to amend, revise, and reform/re-assess the status of unauthorized immigrants set forth in the Immigration and Nationality Act. The content of this bill is overwhelming and is divided into many sections such as control of unauthorized immigration, legalization and reform of legal immigration. The focus of this précis will be on the legalization aspect of the bill.
This bill gave unauthorized aliens the opportunity to apply and gain legal status if they met mandated requirements. The fate or status of all those who applied fell into the hands of “Designated Entities” and finally the U.S. Attorney General. Applicants had to prove that they lived and maintained a continuous physical presence in the U.S. since January 1st, 1982, possess a clean criminal record, and provide proof of registration within the Selective Service. Moreover, applicants had to meet minimal knowledge requirements in U.S. history, government and the English language or be pursuing a course of study approved by the Attorney General.
This bill also outlined previsions for temporary residents’ travel, employment, false statements, numerical limitations, adjustments for status and treatment of applications by “Designated Entities”. Furthermore, after an applicant was assigned a legal status or deemed a temporary lawful resident, they were disqualified from receiving all forms of public welfare assistance for five years. The rules for applications and welfare assistance did not apply to Cuban or Haitian immigrants.
He took action to change the law, but he didn't really change the law. What does that mean?
You'll never understand the answer to your question until you understand how absurd your question is. And you'll never understand that until you recognize that not all law is statutory.
What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law? All I understand is Obama said "I took action to change the law." and now I am told he did not change the law. My next 'absurd' question is, did his action change the law or was he just lying and pandering to illegal immigrants?
Has anyone actually seen any written order from the president at all, or is he claiming that he can now change the law just by saying he wants to do so?
