States sue to rein in Obama's illegal amnesty

[JakeStarkey]

says bigrebnc

 

[SwimExpert]

What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law?

1 - Executive law (ex: Executive Orders issued by the President)
2 - Regulatory law (ex: a regulation issued by the FCC)
3 - Case law
4 - Constitutional law

If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread you would have seen that I've already said as much.

The judicial and legislative functions of administrative agencies are not exactly like those of thecourts or the legislature,but they are similar.Because regulations are not the work of the legislature,they do not have the effect of law in theory; but in practice,regulations can have an important effect in determining the outcome of cases involving regulatory activity.

To have the effect of law,executive orders must appear in the Federal Register, the daily publication of federal rules and regulations. Executive orders are also compiled annually and are published in the Code of Federal Regulations. Selected orders are published with related statutes in U.S.Code Annotated and U.S.Code Service.

case law
Reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents.

That's right, regulatory law/rule is NOT permanent... that's what I've been trying to tell you...Obama did NOT issue amnesty as an EO, so the right wing media trying to convince you that he has, is simply full of crud and crapola too!

he's simply directing an agency that he is responsible for....

The next president, can direct them in another manner of priorities. The congress can come in with legislation to change it or support it...or leave it as be, which is also supporting it.

Write your congressman and senators, to act on immigration reform....once and for all...Congress needs to DO THEIR JOBS... instead of hiding behind the curtain....and trying to point fingers like a bunch of childish toddlers.

He's directing that agency to not follow the law. Which is a violation of his oath he took.

So sue him. Oh wait....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Here are some of the latest figures that seem reliable. So today somewhere between 11 and 12mm.


We know that we are not going to mass deport them, so it is imperative we pass a bill.


Fact: Deportations from the US double from 2001 to 2011. Many sent ...

Fact Deportations from the US double from 2001 to 2011. Many sent back are parents of US citizens

Population Decline of Unauthorized Immigrants Stalls, May Have Reversed

New Estimate: 11.7 million in 2012

Population Decline of Unauthorized Immigrants Stalls May Have Reversed Pew Research Center s Hispanic Trends Project


IV. Chart of Population Estimates of Immigrants in the Country Illegallywith Full-Text Reports

Illegal Immigration Population Estimates in the United States 1969-2011 - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org

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[Care4all]

What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law?

1 - Executive law (ex: Executive Orders issued by the President)
2 - Regulatory law (ex: a regulation issued by the FCC)
3 - Case law
4 - Constitutional law

If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread you would have seen that I've already said as much.

The judicial and legislative functions of administrative agencies are not exactly like those of thecourts or the legislature,but they are similar.Because regulations are not the work of the legislature,they do not have the effect of law in theory; but in practice,regulations can have an important effect in determining the outcome of cases involving regulatory activity.

To have the effect of law,executive orders must appear in the Federal Register, the daily publication of federal rules and regulations. Executive orders are also compiled annually and are published in the Code of Federal Regulations. Selected orders are published with related statutes in U.S.Code Annotated and U.S.Code Service.

case law
Reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents.

That's right, regulatory law/rule is NOT permanent... that's what I've been trying to tell you...Obama did NOT issue amnesty as an EO, so the right wing media trying to convince you that he has, is simply full of crud and crapola too!

he's simply directing an agency that he is responsible for....

The next president, can direct them in another manner of priorities. The congress can come in with legislation to change it or support it...or leave it as be, which is also supporting it.

Write your congressman and senators, to act on immigration reform....once and for all...Congress needs to DO THEIR JOBS... instead of hiding behind the curtain....and trying to point fingers like a bunch of childish toddlers.

He's directing that agency to not follow the law. Which is a violation of his oath he took.

He would be imo, if Congress had funded INS to deport all 11 million illegals,

but since there is limited funds to deport them and just a small amount of the illegals can be deported with these limited funds each year, then delaying deportation on some and expediting it on others within the realm of the law, is within his duties as overseer of these government agencies.

 

[SwimExpert]

Because regulations are not the work of the legislature,they do not have the effect of law in theory; but in practice,regulations can have an important effect in determining the outcome of cases involving regulatory activity.

This is a very sloppy and simplistic way to look at it. Regulatory power typically derives from legislative action, whereby Congress effectively outsources authority to some government agency.

To have the effect of law,executive orders must appear in the Federal Register

And where do you get this idea? The Federal Register is the government's official journal. They publish all EOs. But appearance therein does not in any way invalidate an EO.

Reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents.

Yes. As you point out, it is CASE law. It is a form of law.

 

[SwimExpert]

Neither Executive orders nor Regulations can contradict Congressional legislation, and that's exactly what Obama's EO did.

No, contradicting Congressional legislation would be an EO that directs Homeland Security to spend more money than Congress has authorized for deportation of illegal immigrants.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law?

1 - Executive law (ex: Executive Orders issued by the President)
2 - Regulatory law (ex: a regulation issued by the FCC)
3 - Case law
4 - Constitutional law

If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread you would have seen that I've already said as much.

The judicial and legislative functions of administrative agencies are not exactly like those of thecourts or the legislature,but they are similar.Because regulations are not the work of the legislature,they do not have the effect of law in theory; but in practice,regulations can have an important effect in determining the outcome of cases involving regulatory activity.

To have the effect of law,executive orders must appear in the Federal Register, the daily publication of federal rules and regulations. Executive orders are also compiled annually and are published in the Code of Federal Regulations. Selected orders are published with related statutes in U.S.Code Annotated and U.S.Code Service.

case law
Reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents.

That's right, regulatory law/rule is NOT permanent... that's what I've been trying to tell you...Obama did NOT issue amnesty as an EO, so the right wing media trying to convince you that he has, is simply full of crud and crapola too!

he's simply directing an agency that he is responsible for....

The next president, can direct them in another manner of priorities. The congress can come in with legislation to change it or support it...or leave it as be, which is also supporting it.

Write your congressman and senators, to act on immigration reform....once and for all...Congress needs to DO THEIR JOBS... instead of hiding behind the curtain....and trying to point fingers like a bunch of childish toddlers.

He's directing that agency to not follow the law. Which is a violation of his oath he took.

He would be imo, if Congress had funded INS to deport all 11 million illegals,

but since there is limited funds to deport them and just a small amount of the illegals can be deported with these limited funds each year, then delaying deportation on some and expediting it on others within the realm of the law, is within his duties as overseer of these government agencies.

What law do we have regarding immigration? Are illegals following those laws? If they are not deported is it not a violation of our immigration laws?

 

[rdean]

I posted here several times that states would take the lead in overturning Obama's illegal executive order. Looks like I was right. Again.
The First Big Legal Challenge to Obama s Immigration Directive - Yahoo News

Of course, we all know that it's only legal when Bush and Reagan did it. Republicans feel if Obama doesn't grovel to the GOP, he's being "uppity".

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What other kinds of law are there besides statutory law?

1 - Executive law (ex: Executive Orders issued by the President)
2 - Regulatory law (ex: a regulation issued by the FCC)
3 - Case law
4 - Constitutional law

If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread you would have seen that I've already said as much.

The judicial and legislative functions of administrative agencies are not exactly like those of thecourts or the legislature,but they are similar.Because regulations are not the work of the legislature,they do not have the effect of law in theory; but in practice,regulations can have an important effect in determining the outcome of cases involving regulatory activity.

To have the effect of law,executive orders must appear in the Federal Register, the daily publication of federal rules and regulations. Executive orders are also compiled annually and are published in the Code of Federal Regulations. Selected orders are published with related statutes in U.S.Code Annotated and U.S.Code Service.

case law
Reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents.

That's right, regulatory law/rule is NOT permanent... that's what I've been trying to tell you...Obama did NOT issue amnesty as an EO, so the right wing media trying to convince you that he has, is simply full of crud and crapola too!

he's simply directing an agency that he is responsible for....

The next president, can direct them in another manner of priorities. The congress can come in with legislation to change it or support it...or leave it as be, which is also supporting it.

Write your congressman and senators, to act on immigration reform....once and for all...Congress needs to DO THEIR JOBS... instead of hiding behind the curtain....and trying to point fingers like a bunch of childish toddlers.

He's directing that agency to not follow the law. Which is a violation of his oath he took.

So sue him. Oh wait....

You're a god damn idiot
this policy is not good for minorities .
How about we impeach him. I would whether go two years with Biden than this little tyrant what to be.

 

[SwimExpert]

You're a god damn idiot
this policy is not good for minorities .
How about we impeach him. I would whether go two years with Biden than this little tyrant what to be.

 

[TooTall]

Because regulations are not the work of the legislature,they do not have the effect of law in theory; but in practice,regulations can have an important effect in determining the outcome of cases involving regulatory activity.

This is a very sloppy and simplistic way to look at it. Regulatory power typically derives from legislative action, whereby Congress effectively outsources authority to some government agency.

To have the effect of law,executive orders must appear in the Federal Register

And where do you get this idea? The Federal Register is the government's official journal. They publish all EOs. But appearance therein does not in any way invalidate an EO.

Reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents.

Yes. As you point out, it is CASE law. It is a form of law.

What is the Administrative Procedure Act ?

· Enacted: June 11, 1946
Cite: 5 U.S.C. 551 et seq.

· Added procedural requirements to ensure:

o due process (fairness). Generally:

§ Rules can't be enforced if not published in Federal Register

§ Rules can't be effective until 30 days after publication

§ Must publish statements of organization and procedure for the "who and how" to contact at the agency

o public participation (notice and comment rulemaking). Agencies:

§ Must give notice of proposed rules

§ Must take public comments and respond in final rule

§ Must state the legal basis and purpose of their actions

• • • Federal Register Tutorial

 

[TooTall]

You posted earlier that it was above 11.6 million above.

We know no such thing, wishful thinker.

It is about 11.2 or 11.3 right now plus 2 million deported.

The important matter you are ignoring is that there will be no mass deportation.

The original statement by Old Rocks was:

"Why didn't you ask that question when Bush was in office? After all, that was when the number of illegals was increasing. Thus far, during President Obama's terms, the number of illegals here has been decreasing a bit."

This is what I posted. "In summary, DHS estimates that the unauthorized immigrant population living in the United States decreased to 10.8 million in January 2009,"

Bush left office in January, 2009. I will use your numbers to prove there has been an increase from 10.8 million to 11.3 million on Obama's watch.

Post all the figures given for Jan 2009 and as late as you can get them for this year. With the sources.

Thanks.

Why?

 

[SwimExpert]

What is the Administrative Procedure Act ?

· Enacted: June 11, 1946
Cite: 5 U.S.C. 551 et seq.

· Added procedural requirements to ensure:

o due process (fairness). Generally:

§ Rules can't be enforced if not published in Federal Register

§ Rules can't be effective until 30 days after publication

§ Must publish statements of organization and procedure for the "who and how" to contact at the agency

o public participation (notice and comment rulemaking). Agencies:

§ Must give notice of proposed rules

§ Must take public comments and respond in final rule

§ Must state the legal basis and purpose of their actions

• • • Federal Register Tutorial

You idiot, that deals with regulations, not Executive Orders.

 

[TooTall]

What is the Administrative Procedure Act ?

· Enacted: June 11, 1946
Cite: 5 U.S.C. 551 et seq.

· Added procedural requirements to ensure:

o due process (fairness). Generally:

§ Rules can't be enforced if not published in Federal Register

§ Rules can't be effective until 30 days after publication

§ Must publish statements of organization and procedure for the "who and how" to contact at the agency

o public participation (notice and comment rulemaking). Agencies:

§ Must give notice of proposed rules

§ Must take public comments and respond in final rule

§ Must state the legal basis and purpose of their actions

• • • Federal Register Tutorial

You idiot, that deals with regulations, not Executive Orders.

Obama didn't issue an Executive Order. He issued an Executive Action changing the regulations and told his base he acted to change the law.

 

[SwimExpert]

What is the Administrative Procedure Act ?

· Enacted: June 11, 1946
Cite: 5 U.S.C. 551 et seq.

· Added procedural requirements to ensure:

o due process (fairness). Generally:

§ Rules can't be enforced if not published in Federal Register

§ Rules can't be effective until 30 days after publication

§ Must publish statements of organization and procedure for the "who and how" to contact at the agency

o public participation (notice and comment rulemaking). Agencies:

§ Must give notice of proposed rules

§ Must take public comments and respond in final rule

§ Must state the legal basis and purpose of their actions

• • • Federal Register Tutorial

You idiot, that deals with regulations, not Executive Orders.

Obama didn't issue an Executive Order. He issued an Executive Action changing the regulations and told his base he acted to change the law.

I hope you're neutered, because sterilization is the only way to solve stupidity.

But the trusty C-Span Glossary has no entry for "executive action" and tonight the White House clarified why, it's because it's kind of a catch all term. "It just means something the executive branch does. The use of any of a number of tools in the executive branch’s toolbox," said one administration official.

Just what is an executive action - First Read

 

[JakeStarkey]

TooTall is not interested in discussion only in he is right. That's why he is wrong here.

For instance, he can't providence constant number on illegal aliens in the country.

For instance, he does not understand the difference between EOs and EAs.

 

[TooTall]

TooTall is not interested in discussion only in he is right. That's why he is wrong here.

For instance, he can't providence constant number on illegal aliens in the country.

For instance, he does not understand the difference between EOs and EAs.

I gave the exact numbers as published by the government, and perhaps you will tell me if Obama issued an EO or an EA on immigration. I seriously doubt that you know.

 

[TooTall]

What is the Administrative Procedure Act ?

· Enacted: June 11, 1946
Cite: 5 U.S.C. 551 et seq.

· Added procedural requirements to ensure:

o due process (fairness). Generally:

§ Rules can't be enforced if not published in Federal Register

§ Rules can't be effective until 30 days after publication

§ Must publish statements of organization and procedure for the "who and how" to contact at the agency

o public participation (notice and comment rulemaking). Agencies:

§ Must give notice of proposed rules

§ Must take public comments and respond in final rule

§ Must state the legal basis and purpose of their actions

• • • Federal Register Tutorial

You idiot, that deals with regulations, not Executive Orders.

Obama didn't issue an Executive Order. He issued an Executive Action changing the regulations and told his base he acted to change the law.

I hope you're neutered, because sterilization is the only way to solve stupidity.

But the trusty C-Span Glossary has no entry for "executive action" and tonight the White House clarified why, it's because it's kind of a catch all term. "It just means something the executive branch does. The use of any of a number of tools in the executive branch’s toolbox," said one administration official.

Just what is an executive action - First Read

"Executive actions can include "regulation, enforcement, statements of policy...and numerous other things," the official continued.

So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law. Multiple officials have said this is a continuation of changes President Obama has called for in various departments throughout his presidency."

Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.

 

[SwimExpert]

So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.

No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.

Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.

You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law.

No, it's pretty much anything the President does, period. If Obama picks his nose at his desk, that's an executive action.

Keep digging your hole and tell me that Obama took action to change the law. He can't even modify a law, but he said he did.

You're trying to create problems that don't exist. Obama is using his authority as President to do things that are within the scope of his job. Just because you don't like it does not justify throwing your wet panties around in a hissy fit.

But he didn't. Naturalization is a specific enumerated power given to Congress. When the president changes the enforcement of the laws passed by Congress so as to counteract the law, he's overstepped his authority. He cannot do this. It violates his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, it makes him a legislative force that the Constitution grants only to Congress, and it short circuits any real and lasting reform effected through the proper venue.