Stephen Paddock: Is he a terrorist? Why or why not?

[Asclepias]

He's in his 60's and lives in a retirement community. I doubt it was ISIS.

Bin Laden was 54 when he died

and he wasnt out there being a foot solider like this guy was. Osama was kicking back on his easy chair directing traffic.

This guy was kicking back at the Mandalay Bay

ISIS has never been known for kicking back at Mandalay Bay.

 

[Asclepias]

No evidence of terrorist connection or sympathies.
Since his targets were mostly white people, he probably wasn't a white supremacist.
Since his targets were certainly of mixed political parties and views, he probably wasn't targeting them for any political reason.
Maybe he just hated Country Music.

Disagree. White supremacists see other whites as their enemies. I guarantee you he was a white supremacist or a conservative.

I'd think that White supremacists would think of country music fans as more or less on their side.

Depends. This guy does a lot of music with rappers.

 

[Tank]

ISIS has never been known for kicking back at Mandalay Bay.

They will now

 

[Asclepias]

ISIS has never been known for kicking back at Mandalay Bay.

They will now

Only by the illiterate poor white trash crowd you yearn to be a part of. Theres no proof the guy was Islamic. Zero.

 

[Cossack1483]

Jason Aldean is a good example of our culture. IMHO , Mr Aldeen is pretty damn White. Fans too. What a great venue for hunting the Caucasian . Perfect for a recent muzzer convert?

I'll be "taking a knee" for the victims.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Nobody is giving out a lot of info about his background, politics, whatever.
That doesn't mean they don't know, they're just not saying at the present time.

The deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history....If news organizations aren't telling, they don't know.

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.

 

[Correll]

Seems to me that the term "terrorism" is as much about motive as it is method.

We don't know his motive yet. If it was meant to intimidate or influence in some direction, yes. If he was just a fucking nut, then no.

It seems to me that if a killer -- mass or individual -- has no means to repeat their actions or no organization that will reinforce them, then that killer is not a terrorist.
....

That in no way is part of the normal definition of terrorist.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Non sequitur -- The woman didn't fire the gun and didn't force him to do so.

But, to call that non sequitur is to ignore a potential connection. The San Bernardino dude seemed normal until he married the Saudi woman, right?

But, to call that non sequitur is to ignore a potential connection.

A potential connection that has not been established is called "hypothesis contrary to fact." When one soundly establishes that such a connection is both real and material (rather than merely coincidental), from there one can develop a sequitur line thinking pertaining to the woman.

 

[Pogo]

Nobody is giving out a lot of info about his background, politics, whatever.
That doesn't mean they don't know, they're just not saying at the present time.

The deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history....If news organizations aren't telling, they don't know.

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.

PBS and NPR do not have "profit". By definition.

Did you intend the word "but" to mean "except"?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Nobody is giving out a lot of info about his background, politics, whatever.
That doesn't mean they don't know, they're just not saying at the present time.

The deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history....If news organizations aren't telling, they don't know.

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.

PBS and NPR do not have "profit". By definition.

Did you intend the word "but" to mean "except"?

No, I mean "but for" to mean "except for."

 

[Pogo]

To me, a terrorist represents a political cause and has some affiliation

I don't see a lone wolf with a grievance being a terrorist

What if someone is a white supremacist, but doesn't have a membership card with KKK or American Neo-Nazi Association (ANNA)?

That would be a case where a lone wolf would be a terrorist.

IF he is really a white supremacist and not someone who once said Obama was a jerk.

Then yes.

I mean a white supremacist like Tank or Steve McGarrett

Remember, we've already had two members go on shooting rampages, one at the Holocaust Museum in D.C. and the other at an abortion clinic in CO.

I thought the USMB guy shot up a movie theater?

Louisiana Movie Shooter Thanked Dylann Roof for 'Wake Up Call'

Houser was briefly a member here yes. I didn't know about Dear and von Brunn being here.

 

[hunarcy]

I seriously doubt that.

Can I expect to hear from you later?

He's a 64 year old retiree from Texas who enjoys gambling, country music, and hunting. I'm pretty confident he doesn't fit the profile.

He lived in Nevada, but apparently did live in Texas for 3 years...or maybe 5 years.

Las Vegas shooter was retired, had no criminal record

 

[Pogo]

Nobody is giving out a lot of info about his background, politics, whatever.
That doesn't mean they don't know, they're just not saying at the present time.

The deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history....If news organizations aren't telling, they don't know.

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.

PBS and NPR do not have "profit". By definition.

Did you intend the word "but" to mean "except"?

No, I mean "but for" to mean "except for."

That's what I just asked. Might want to watch wording in future.

 

[Pete7469]

He was a terrorist as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know what his motivation was. Maybe just hated country music.

Pretty sure the bastard is having his soul butt fucked in hell ATM.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Nobody is giving out a lot of info about his background, politics, whatever.
That doesn't mean they don't know, they're just not saying at the present time.

The deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history....If news organizations aren't telling, they don't know.

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.[/QUOTE]

PBS and NPR do not have "profit". By definition.

Did you intend the word "but" to mean "except"?

No, I mean "but for" to mean "except for."

That's what I just asked. Might want to watch wording in future.

WTF are you talking about? I wrote "but for."

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates,

But for the non-profit news organizations

 

[rightwinger]

What if someone is a white supremacist, but doesn't have a membership card with KKK or American Neo-Nazi Association (ANNA)?

That would be a case where a lone wolf would be a terrorist.

IF he is really a white supremacist and not someone who once said Obama was a jerk.

Then yes.

I mean a white supremacist like Tank or Steve McGarrett

Remember, we've already had two members go on shooting rampages, one at the Holocaust Museum in D.C. and the other at an abortion clinic in CO.

I thought the USMB guy shot up a movie theater?

Louisiana Movie Shooter Thanked Dylann Roof for 'Wake Up Call'

Houser was briefly a member here yes. I didn't know about Dear and von Brunn being here.

As I remember he only made 50 or so posts
His account has since been deleted


Rusty Houser

 

[Pogo]

It's not about the amount of bodies (although the Vegas carnage is staggering), it's about the intent and motivation. Bill Ayers was a terrorist and he is only responsible for the deaths of four or five people (as far as we know). Let's hope there is enough of Paddock's brain left to determine if he was suffering from mental illness although it seems unlikely since the mass shooting was so well planned. It will be interesting to find out where the automatic weapon came from.

Actually it will be pointless. Given that such automatic weapons EXIST, those who seek them will find a way to get them.

What would on the other hand actually be interesting is to find out where his motivation came from. As if we don't already know.

And as far as that goes --- for the gun fetishist it actually IS about the number of bodies. That's what they're going for.

 

[Pogo]

The deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history....If news organizations aren't telling, they don't know.

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.

PBS and NPR do not have "profit". By definition.

Did you intend the word "but" to mean "except"?

No, I mean "but for" to mean "except for."

That's what I just asked. Might want to watch wording in future.

WTF are you talking about? I wrote "but for."

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates,

But for the non-profit news organizations

I'm talking about ambiguity. Write clearly so that a phrase doesn't look like its own opposite.

 

[Pogo]

IF he is really a white supremacist and not someone who once said Obama was a jerk.

Then yes.

I mean a white supremacist like Tank or Steve McGarrett

Remember, we've already had two members go on shooting rampages, one at the Holocaust Museum in D.C. and the other at an abortion clinic in CO.

I thought the USMB guy shot up a movie theater?

Louisiana Movie Shooter Thanked Dylann Roof for 'Wake Up Call'

Houser was briefly a member here yes. I didn't know about Dear and von Brunn being here.

As I remember he only made 50 or so posts
His account has since been deleted

Which one?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Agree...to a point. News organizations have their own agendas/narratives. If
the motive doesn't fit theirs they may drag their feet on it.

If they really don't know...that doesn't mean the Police don't know or
have a good idea.

News organizations have their own agendas/narratives.

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates, news organizations these days have one primary agenda: profit. The days of the news division of a major network not being construed as a revenue center are gone. But for the non-profit news organizations, everything a media company does is to maximize profit/revenue, and the only way to do that is increase viewership.

PBS and NPR do not have "profit". By definition.

Did you intend the word "but" to mean "except"?

No, I mean "but for" to mean "except for."

That's what I just asked. Might want to watch wording in future.

WTF are you talking about? I wrote "but for."

But for PBS and NPR and their affiliates,

But for the non-profit news organizations

I'm talking about ambiguity. Write clearly so that a phrase doesn't look like its own opposite.

There is no ambiguity to "but for." It means one and only one thing. Click the link I provided for "but for."