Steubenville Rapists have been found guilty

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

One of the reasons these kids got off so lightly is because the victim isn't going to suffer at all. There are no psychological effects. She didn't even know what happened. Until someone showed her the video, she had no idea.

There you go fabricating shit again.

 

[whitehall]

A night fueled by alcohol consumption. The victim couldn't even remember what happened. No excuse for rape but for God's sake girls, don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

 

[hjmick]

There is also the fact that Mays will do a year as an adult. his life is destroyed, and he will have to register as a rapo.

Good.

The psychological effects the victim will suffer will last a lifetime.

One of the reasons these kids got off so lightly is because the victim isn't going to suffer at all. There are no psychological effects. She didn't even know what happened. Until someone showed her the video, she had no idea.

Well fuck, why charge them at all? Just a couple of boys looking to have a little fun, finger banging a girl too drunk to give consent. Who's really getting hurt?

Bullshit. She'll remember. It may take time, but she'll remember. But hell, even if there were going to be no psychological effects, it's still a crime. A violent, ugly crime. As far as I'm concerned, one that deserves a much greater penalty than it currently receives in our judicial system...

And one of the reasons these little shit stains got off so easily is because of who they are, star high school football players in a town where they revere such things for lack of anything else positive in the community.

One of the reasons these kids got off so lightly is because the victim isn't going to suffer at all. There are no psychological effects. She didn't even know what happened. Until someone showed her the video, she had no idea.

Were they WHITE?

No.

 

[earlycuyler]

Looks like they are calling for a grand jury to see if others need to be charged as well.

 

[earlycuyler]

One of the reasons these kids got off so lightly is because the victim isn't going to suffer at all. There are no psychological effects. She didn't even know what happened. Until someone showed her the video, she had no idea.

Were they WHITE?

One white. one black.

 

[hjmick]

A night fueled by alcohol consumption.

So the fuck what?

The victim couldn't even remember what happened.

Again, so the fuck what?

No excuse for rape but for God's sake girls, don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

Way to blame the victim without really blaming the victim. She didn't put herself in any position. Two sick fucks took advantage of her condition. Two scumbag fuckwits who would do the world a favor by jumping off finger fucked her, and who knows what else, while she was in no condition to fight back. They video taped some of their exploits to share with others, to keep as a momento of their work.

I suppose you believe that women wearing short skirts are "asking for it."

Christ almighty, rape is the fault of the victim because she put herself in that position... Really?

 

[earlycuyler]

No excuse for rape but for God's sake girls, don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

I agree with whitehall here. This rape was NOT the girls fault, and I dont think that's what he was saying.

 

[hoosier88]

Foolish of the girl to drink herself into a stupor - if that's what happened. She'll learn not to leave herself helpless.

Even if she did consent - she was in no condition to do so. The crime was that she was helpless, & two perpetrators took advantage of her. They will learn better in time, too.

This is an ugly case all around - with possibly more to come. Members of winning football teams or no, athletes or no, you can't have sexual predators running loose, posting their "conquests" on social media on the Internet. If nothing else, they were criminally foolish. They'll have a long, long time to repent. & yah, a lot of career options just went away for them.

We can hope this particular set of children won't wind up in court again anytime soon.

 

[whitehall]

A night fueled by alcohol consumption.

So the fuck what?

The victim couldn't even remember what happened.

Again, so the fuck what?

No excuse for rape but for God's sake girls, don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

Way to blame the victim without really blaming the victim. She didn't put herself in any position. Two sick fucks took advantage of her condition. Two scumbag fuckwits who would do the world a favor by jumping off finger fucked her, and who knows what else, while she was in no condition to fight back. They video taped some of their exploits to share with others, to keep as a momento of their work.

I suppose you believe that women wearing short skirts are "asking for it."

Christ almighty, rape is the fault of the victim because she put herself in that position... Really?

You brought it up. If you want to compare women in short skirts to an underage girl out all night and so drunk she couldn't remember what happened, do yourself a favor. Don't become a parent.

 

[Dragonlady]

One of the reasons these kids got off so lightly is because the victim isn't going to suffer at all. There are no psychological effects. She didn't even know what happened. Until someone showed her the video, she had no idea.

How can you say this girl will have no psycholigical affects? Girls who have been drugged and raped are deeply affected even if they have no memory of the actual rape. One of my daughter's friends was given ruffies at a party, and has no memory of anything that happened after, but woke up naked and bleeding after being raped and sodomized. She was never the same afterwards, and spend years recovering from that incident.

Your lack of sensitivity towards the victim, is really what I would have expected, given your past posts, but to say this girl was not harmed because she doesn't remember what happens reveals an level of ignorance which is astonishing.

 

[varelse]

This will draw some flack...


but if you think about it...


if she remembered nothing, there was no psychological/emotional harm done until others leaked the photos and information and she became aware of her victim status

there have been several child-porn cases in the news over the last several years where otherwise unaffected persons (some of whom were old enough to recall their experiences, despite not associating them with any negative emotions) began experiencing emotional trauma after they were told they were victims and that they ought to feel violated or harmed in some way. There have been similar cases involving children 'playing doctor'- once considered nothing to be too concerned about- who are taught that their experiences were terrible and then go on to experience the trauma they're taught to feel.

It's not unlike the complex children are taught about sex in general ['naughty parts'] or the trauma we teach children to experience if they soil themselves as a part of toilet training.

All I'm saying is that, while it's good these people won't be able to do this to anyone else, I wonder whether the way this all went down- pictures all over the web and such- led to emotional trauma she wouldn't have otherwise experienced, much like how 'vicky' now says she feels violated every time she learns someone else viewed the videos of her engaging in sexual activity in her youth.

 

[there4eyeM]

Interesting reflections on human psychological states. Yes, you will probably get some 'negative feedback' for it, and this may not be the time and place for it.

What is important is that, with such a case that seems to imply some gray area with sexual exploitation, society send a message to all young men that THIS IS IMPERMISSIBLE!

 

[Dragonlady]

All I'm saying is that, while it's good these people won't be able to do this to anyone else, I wonder whether the way this all went down- pictures all over the web and such- led to emotional trauma she wouldn't have otherwise experienced, much like how 'vicky' now says she feels violated every time she learns someone else viewed the videos of her engaging in sexual activity in her youth.

Read her account in the newspaper. She regained consciousness and discovered that her money, her phone and her underwear was gone. She knew immediately that something was terribly wrong.

Finding out via video and texting what had happened was even more traumatic, but she knew when she came to that stuff had happened to her. It wasn't just that she was told about it.

 

[varelse]

What is important is that, with such a case that seems to imply some gray area with sexual exploitation, society send a message to all young men the THIS IS IMPERMISSABLE!

How sad that such a message should be necessary in the first place.

It says much about the state of our society, especially the way the local community seemed willing to look the other way until outside attention and pressure demanded action.

I wonder how safe it makes the women in the are feel to know that not only did these young men consider this acceptable, but the local authorities hardly seem to have considered it a problem

 

[varelse]

At the risk of drawing yet more flak....


Last I heard, she got drunk, but nothing I read said she's been drugged against her will. Why did she choose to drink to the point she was unaware of her surroundings, especially among strangers? Were any of her friends supposed to be with her, and if so, why did they leave her in such a vulnerable state?

Nothing excuses what they did,and this error in judgement should never had lead to such a horrific outcome, but this should be a warning to other women and girls who put themselves into potentially dangerous situations.

 

[AmyNation]

Why?

Because she's a kid. She's young and stupid. It was a high school party and she made a very poor choice , most especially in feeling safe with those boys.

 

[varelse]

I see two things we need to address as a society: the actions of these boys and what led them to believe this was acceptable and the judgement of these young girls who are getting intoxicated and putting themselves in danger. Both are a failure of society and of the parents and others who are supposed to be rearing these children and teaching them ethics, morals, and responsibility.

We must address both sides of this problem if we are to prevent such things happening.

 

[Dragonlady]

I see two things we need to address as a society: the actions of these boys and what led them to believe this was acceptable and the judgement of these young girls who are getting intoxicated and putting themselves in danger. Both are a failure of society and of the parents and others who are supposed to be rearing these children and teaching them ethics, morals, and responsibility.

We must address both sides of this problem if we are to prevent such things happening.

As the parent of a daughter who is now 23, I had numerous discussions with her about the importance of not doing stupid stuff which would expose her to danger, not as a "blame the victim" thing, but as acknowledgement that bad shit will happen to you if you let your guard down. The thing of it is that people who are drinking are not making decisions with all of their faculties intact. Drunk people, men or women, do stupid things. The smart decision is not to drink in the first place, but it's not realistic to think that teenagers are going to do the smart thing.

Teenagers engage in high risk behaviour because the area of the brain which governs good judgement and impulse control, is the last area of the brain to develop and it doesn't kick in until the late teens or early 20's.

My daughter once walked home alone in the dark, from an all night rave at the Docks, in Toronto. The Docks is infamous in Toronto. One kid left a rave high on drugs, fell into Lake Ontario and drowned. She walked the mile and half from Polson Pier, by moonlight because there are no street lights in that area, and nothing but rows and rows of darkened warehouses. It was a miracle that nothing happened that night. We had a long, long talk after that night and she never did it again.

After my daughter's friend was drugged and assaulted, the kids learned to never, ever leave a drink unattended, and never to go to a party without a buddy, but my daughter's friend should not have learned these lessons from being raped and sodomized. She was 13 at the time, and a virgin.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I wonder if there is a possibility that a Liberal judge could suspend their sentence.
Maybe even have the victim pay all their legal fees and have to issue a public apology for causing them such an inconvenience as a court trial.

Sorry but the Libs here put me in an awful mood sometimes...

Spare us the Fox News mantra. What did you want the judge do give them the death penalty? They were charged as juveniles, he didn't have that power. They will spend a minimum one and two years in prison and could be in prison until age 21. Plus one of them had a promising football career ruined and they will have to register as sex offenders. More kids should have been charged.

 

[varelse]

The thing of it is that people who are drinking are not making decisions with all of their faculties intact.

But they had all their faculties when they made the decision to drink until they lost their faculties...

Teenagers engage in high risk behaviour because the area of the brain which governs good judgement and impulse control, is the last area of the brain to develop and it doesn't kick in until the late teens or early 20's

Hence the US military's recruitment of teens...

When I was younger, we always went out in a group and made a point to not leave any of the girls alone where someone couldn't step in if there was a problem. They got annoyed at times, but more than once we were all glad there were friends around to make sure everything was okay.

Touch a girl when she didn't want, and you got a boot party. Had anyone attempted to mess with a drink and been caught, one of us would likely have come up on murder charges.

Of course, the girls were as likely to kick a man's ass as the guys were

We believe in an unorthodox mix of feminism and traditional values where I grew up