Sunni Man
Diamond Member
A couple of hundred years from now.
Hitler will be looked at in a different light.
What do you mean?
You mean he'll be viewed more as a victim of psychosis?
Nope
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A couple of hundred years from now.
Hitler will be looked at in a different light.
What do you mean?
You mean he'll be viewed more as a victim of psychosis?
By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.
But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.
As time goes by and generations pass.
Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.
Oliver Stone has a history as well. He admires people like that.
And it isn't as if no one believe that Hitler has to be studied in terms of context. It is the only way to understand anything about him. Stalin also has to be studied in context. Neither of these guys were just thunderclaps from a blue sky.
I have no problem with understanding, but I fear what Oliver Stone will offer is justification, which is a different kettle of spoiled fish.
To put things to you directly... Finland was an ally of Hitler during the war. Did they have good reasons? Given the context, I kind of think there was valid logic for that. Finland didn't participate in Germany's stupidity (Most of Germany's allies were squicked out by what they saw going on, even the Japanese consular staff actively subverted the final solution) but given what Finland went through during the winter war.... it is understandable. Justified... That is a different question.
Given Hitler was right wing, and Stone left wing, I strongly doubt Stone is going to praise him, somehow.
Oliver Stone has a history as well. He admires people like that.
And it isn't as if no one believe that Hitler has to be studied in terms of context. It is the only way to understand anything about him. Stalin also has to be studied in context. Neither of these guys were just thunderclaps from a blue sky.
I have no problem with understanding, but I fear what Oliver Stone will offer is justification, which is a different kettle of spoiled fish.
To put things to you directly... Finland was an ally of Hitler during the war. Did they have good reasons? Given the context, I kind of think there was valid logic for that. Finland didn't participate in Germany's stupidity (Most of Germany's allies were squicked out by what they saw going on, even the Japanese consular staff actively subverted the final solution) but given what Finland went through during the winter war.... it is understandable. Justified... That is a different question.
Do you pull this shit out of your ass? Oliver Stone loathes 'people like that'...
If you want to study people that glorify despots like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, look no farther that today's GOP...
Educate yourself about 'The Family'
They are the Familyfundamentalism's avant-garde, waging spiritual war in the halls of American power and around the globe. They consider themselves the new chosencongressmen, generals, and foreign dictators who meet in confidential cells, to pray and plan for a "leadership led by God," to be won not by force but through "quiet diplomacy." Their base is a leafy estate overlooking the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia, and Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have reported from inside its walls.
The Family is about the other half of American fundamentalist powernot its angry masses, but its sophisticated elites. Sharlet follows the story back to Abraham Vereide, an immigrant preacher who in 1935 organized a small group of businessmen sympathetic to European fascism, fusing the far right with his own polite but authoritarian faith. From that core, Vereide built an international network of fundamentalists who spoke the language of establishment power, a "family" that thrives to this day. In public, they host Prayer Breakfasts; in private, they preach a gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao as leadership models, the Family's current leader, Doug Coe, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."
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Oliver Stone has a history as well. He admires people like that.
And it isn't as if no one believe that Hitler has to be studied in terms of context. It is the only way to understand anything about him. Stalin also has to be studied in context. Neither of these guys were just thunderclaps from a blue sky.
I have no problem with understanding, but I fear what Oliver Stone will offer is justification, which is a different kettle of spoiled fish.
To put things to you directly... Finland was an ally of Hitler during the war. Did they have good reasons? Given the context, I kind of think there was valid logic for that. Finland didn't participate in Germany's stupidity (Most of Germany's allies were squicked out by what they saw going on, even the Japanese consular staff actively subverted the final solution) but given what Finland went through during the winter war.... it is understandable. Justified... That is a different question.
Do you pull this shit out of your ass? Oliver Stone loathes 'people like that'...
If you want to study people that glorify despots like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, look no farther that today's GOP...
Educate yourself about 'The Family'
They are the Familyfundamentalism's avant-garde, waging spiritual war in the halls of American power and around the globe. They consider themselves the new chosencongressmen, generals, and foreign dictators who meet in confidential cells, to pray and plan for a "leadership led by God," to be won not by force but through "quiet diplomacy." Their base is a leafy estate overlooking the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia, and Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have reported from inside its walls.
The Family is about the other half of American fundamentalist powernot its angry masses, but its sophisticated elites. Sharlet follows the story back to Abraham Vereide, an immigrant preacher who in 1935 organized a small group of businessmen sympathetic to European fascism, fusing the far right with his own polite but authoritarian faith. From that core, Vereide built an international network of fundamentalists who spoke the language of establishment power, a "family" that thrives to this day. In public, they host Prayer Breakfasts; in private, they preach a gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao as leadership models, the Family's current leader, Doug Coe, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."
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Godwin'ed in 23!
Do you pull this shit out of your ass? Oliver Stone loathes 'people like that'...
If you want to study people that glorify despots like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, look no farther that today's GOP...
Educate yourself about 'The Family'
They are the Familyfundamentalism's avant-garde, waging spiritual war in the halls of American power and around the globe. They consider themselves the new chosencongressmen, generals, and foreign dictators who meet in confidential cells, to pray and plan for a "leadership led by God," to be won not by force but through "quiet diplomacy." Their base is a leafy estate overlooking the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia, and Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have reported from inside its walls.
The Family is about the other half of American fundamentalist powernot its angry masses, but its sophisticated elites. Sharlet follows the story back to Abraham Vereide, an immigrant preacher who in 1935 organized a small group of businessmen sympathetic to European fascism, fusing the far right with his own polite but authoritarian faith. From that core, Vereide built an international network of fundamentalists who spoke the language of establishment power, a "family" that thrives to this day. In public, they host Prayer Breakfasts; in private, they preach a gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao as leadership models, the Family's current leader, Doug Coe, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."
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Godwin'ed in 23!
Hey pea brain... the SUBJECT is Hitler...hello???
By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.
But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.
As time goes by and generations pass.
Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.
Firstly - you really haven't spent a lot of time in Germany recently, have you?
Hitler is vilified in Germany - he is remembered as the man who disgraced Germany, who destroyed the economy and the infrastructure, and stained the name of German people forever.
This is the era that makes a hero of Dexter Morgan. Stone must figure that if Dexter is a hero, Pol Pot is an even greater hero.
Given Hitler was right wing, and Stone left wing, I strongly doubt Stone is going to praise him, somehow.
Godwin'ed in 23!
Hey pea brain... the SUBJECT is Hitler...hello???
So? Just because the SUBJECT is Hitler is not an automatic Godwin.
A Godwin is when you start comparing your political opponents to Hitler or Nazi's that you have Godwin'ed.
Know your meme, ya over dramatic and hyperbolic fuck.
Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context'
TCA -- Director Oliver Stone's upcoming Showtime documentary miniseries "Secret History of America" promises to put mass murderers such as Stalin and Hitler "in context."
"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy -- these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history," Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association's semi-annual press tour in Pasadena.
Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context'--The Live Feed | THR
At some point you just have to say What ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg
Interesting to see people rush to judge a concept without even reading the link...
"He's not saying we're going to come out with a more positive view of Hitler," emphasized professor Peter Kuznick, the lead writer on the project. "But we're going to describe him as a historical phenomenon and not just somebody who appeared out of nowhere."
History. Scary. Wrong. It must be stopped.
Hitler was greatly misunderstood![]()
Probably so.
Certainly at the time I think very few people understood many aspects of his life which have since been discovered and put into a greater context. It is only when we read the Ian Kershaw biography's, and books such as those written by Hitler's secretary that we gain a fuller picture of the man.
Realistically, these days he'd probably have spent most of his life in psychiatric unit.
But I was talking about say a hundred years from now.
As generations pass and historical memories fade.
Hitler and the Nazis will be viewed differently.
Interesting to see people rush to judge a concept without even reading the link...
"He's not saying we're going to come out with a more positive view of Hitler," emphasized professor Peter Kuznick, the lead writer on the project. "But we're going to describe him as a historical phenomenon and not just somebody who appeared out of nowhere."
History. Scary. Wrong. It must be stopped.
Looks to me like Stone simply wants to take the tome "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and make it so that the layperson can understand how it happened. Hitler WAS a phenomenon, but so is Satan.