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Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator
How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?
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Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator
By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.
But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.
As time goes by and generations pass.
Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.
Mostly because otherwise they'd have been tarred, correctly, with the same brush. And we needed the Russians to keep putting pressure on Germany from the East.The notion of Hitler as a rightwinger is largely a late thirties fiction created by the American Stalinist left -a rather large crowd at the time all things considered - who wished to differentiate between Hitler and Uncle Joe which differentiation was required only because they took different sides in the Spanish Civil War. Prior to that they had as much Fulsome prasie for Adolph and Benito as they had for Joe.
What people such as BFRGN don't know about history would fill a book though they'd refuse to read it.
Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator
How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?
Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator
How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?
Not to mention no communist support for Mao, or Ho Chi Min, or North Korea, or Castro, or Ortega, or Biafra, or Pol Pot, or...
What context excatly do mass murderers need?
By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.
But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.
As time goes by and generations pass.
Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.
Firstly - you really haven't spent a lot of time in Germany recently, have you?
Hitler is vilified in Germany - he is remembered as the man who disgraced Germany, who destroyed the economy and the infrastructure, and stained the name of German people forever.
Sure, now he is disliked.
But I was talking about say a hundred years from now.
As generations pass and historical memories fade.
Hitler and the Nazis will be viewed differently.
The notion of Hitler as a rightwinger is largely a late thirties fiction created by the American Stalinist left -a rather large crowd at the time all things considered - who wished to differentiate between Hitler and Uncle Joe which differentiation was required only because they took different sides in the Spanish Civil War. Prior to that they had as much Fulsome prasie for Adolph and Benito as they had for Joe.
What people such as BFRGN don't know about history would fill a book though they'd refuse to read it.
Given Hitler was right wing, and Stone left wing, I strongly doubt Stone is going to praise him, somehow.
You need to get out of your intellectual prison. A tyrant is a person who kills a person who thinks for himself. By wholesale lots. Don't get lost in weird distinctions without a difference.
Just because the uniforms were better designed does not mean Hitler was right wing. A centrally planned government controlled economy is not right wing.
If you get lost in irrelevancies like this you wind up excusing bad guys because they are your bad guys. Oliver Stone is famous for this kind of bad behavior. It is what made JFK such a horrible movie.
It is ok to distinguish in degree. A lot of times, you need to deal with the issue of a degree of difference, and make a deal with the devil on that basis. Which is what Churchill did in the summer of 1941. Heck that is what Finland did that summer as well. They just made different choices based on who was a greater direct threat.
You can't go the route of my psychotic megalomanic mass murderer is a good psychotic megalomanic mass murderer and yours isn't.
Now Napoleon, for all his bad reputation was a huge improvement on what went before. Especially for the french. The expenses of his wars as time went on were borne mostly by his catspaws. So judging Napoleon, we work on the basis degree rather than kind, and he was a better deal. Not always. He smashed everything in his path, the good as well as the bad, and he destroyed republics as well as kingdoms. And he fundamentally broke forever the power of the nobility all through europe. Because of him, kings in europe have no more relevance than the kings in a deck of cards. And for that, he earns a monument. But to judge his rule as anything but a negative in itself it to lose your moral compass.
By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.
But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.
As time goes by and generations pass.
Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.
Firstly - you really haven't spent a lot of time in Germany recently, have you?
Hitler is vilified in Germany - he is remembered as the man who disgraced Germany, who destroyed the economy and the infrastructure, and stained the name of German people forever.
Only by idiots and those trying to cover their own similarity to the nazis.Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator
How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?
Why suddenly?
Nazism is now, and always has been, considered a right wing party.
Check any academic source (i.e. Marris, Kershaw) on this - it isn't a disputed point that I'm aware of.
Garyd-
If you don't know - just ask. What you have posted has no basis at all in reality.
Sorry Soda read Jona Goldbergs excellent book on the subject you'll get chapter and verse of all the nit wit left of the thirties praising both Hitler and Moussolini. Hitler never considered himself a rightwinger nor did Moussolini. the reality is that the only difference between Stalins socialism and that of Moussolini and Hitler was that word national and when push came to shove even that disappeared -see the Great Patriotic War if you think other wise.
You need to read some historians that aren't themsleves left of center. granted this day and age they are hard to find especially in the halls of academe.
Proof positive that even experts have political agendas they push.Sorry Soda read Jona Goldbergs excellent book on the subject you'll get chapter and verse of all the nit wit left of the thirties praising both Hitler and Moussolini. Hitler never considered himself a rightwinger nor did Moussolini. the reality is that the only difference between Stalins socialism and that of Moussolini and Hitler was that word national and when push came to shove even that disappeared -see the Great Patriotic War if you think other wise.
You need to read some historians that aren't themsleves left of center. granted this day and age they are hard to find especially in the halls of academe.
Ha! Hilarious stuff - honestly, where do you people come up with this garbage?
Please go ahead and check any serious political source - and I mean ANY SERIOUS political source, and come back when you are up to speed.
btw, I do have a Masters in Political Theory, and have published extensively on Fascist Theory - and am happy to prove it.
Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context'
TCA -- Director Oliver Stone's upcoming Showtime documentary miniseries "Secret History of America" promises to put mass murderers such as Stalin and Hitler "in context."
"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy -- these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history," Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association's semi-annual press tour in Pasadena.
Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context'--The Live Feed | THR
At some point you just have to say What ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg
Yeah, "WHATEVER" indeed. Oliver Stone is what is wrong with our education, the younger generation gets their history lessons from hollywood
"You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate," Stone said during the show's trailer, which promised to put historical villains "in context." ~Oliver IDIOT Stone~
Empathy???![]()
Only by idiots and those trying to cover their own similarity to the nazis.