How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

[sharik]

Very interesting. I guess no wonder that the Russians know more than most,

regrettably, they don't and it takes some effort to point out the obvious for them.

that it is not good to experiment on people.

not good indeed, but it rather was an experiment in geopolitics.

 

[anotherlife]

Very interesting. I guess no wonder that the Russians know more than most,

regrettably, they don't and it takes some effort to point out the obvious for them.

that it is not good to experiment on people.

not good indeed, but it rather was an experiment in geopolitics.

I guess the result of that experiment is then that it may be very difficult for a single belligerent to eradicate a nation or ethnic group, but with international support it is easy and can be repeated on many.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Photo of the communist's document allowing death penalty for children:

This is very horrific and reveals the extreme evil Stalin was known for. The forced starvation of over 10 million men, women and children in the Ukraine was also the evil plan of Stalin. His daughter said he had an art picture of Satan on his bedroom wall. It is likely that Stalin was a Satanist. Stalin was a very wicked, evil man.... The people of Russia should be told these things and the stories of those who survived Ukraine forced starvation by Stalin - must keep those stories alive by telling their grandchildren, great grandchildren and telling them to do the same. Photographs should be kept, these kind of documents, everything that will teach the next generation the sickness of Communism and it's fathers, Marx, Lenin, Stalin.... a succession of evil men which only grew worse....

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It was not exactly that difficult.

not difficult if seen from hindsight but, at the moment, no one knew what the situation would turn out to be. Stalin didn't set killing people as a goal; on contrary, he tried to save as many as he could; thats why he resorted to Russian historical values and gave up Bolshevism, in order to create, not destroy.

No, Stalin exploited historic Russian values in order to kill as many people as he could all around Russia, most famously in the Ukraine, but later in ww2 in Hungary and in Poland too. He was clever, and he figured that that is the only way. What makes you think that he had an interest in saving anyone?

Futhermore, originally he was a murderer not as a politician, but in common sense. During his job in communist party in the early 20th century he was killing and robbing people as a member of a gang. All the communists - were more or less connected with criminal world, gangsters - were their allies as the class that had nothing to lose and most opposed to Russia.

Reminds you of Vladimir Putin, doesn't it?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

No, Stalin exploited historic Russian values in order to kill as many people as he could all around Russia,

sorry, but that sounds absurd and pertains to fairy-tales, not to discussion by adults.

What makes you think that he had an interest in saving anyone?

because in that he saved himself too, and also, any ruler wants his country and its peoples be in an ok shape, otherwise why even try become one.

Stalin was a mass murderer and a madman. His name and his memory should be cursed by the people of Russia. He is paying in hell now for all those he murdered.

 

[yiostheoy]

Reminds you of Vladimir Putin, doesn't it?

No it does not.

Putin was specifically drafted out of the KGB by the Russian intelligentsia surrounding Yeltsin and identified as someone whom they could trust to keep a deal. The deal was that Yeltsin was not to be prosecuted after his retirement.

Then Putin was made into a hero with a planned or staged attack on Chechnya.

Putin was an ordinary civil servant in the KGB until drafted.

Nothing like Stalin.

Putin reminds me of Adolf Hitler -- grabbing land one piece at a time.

The only significant difference however is that the CIA provoked him in the Ukraine.

So he must have perceived that the USA was no longer a friend of Russia.

This was apparently a CIA screw up under BHO. I cannot imagine it as a legacy issue from GW Bush, although I can't say for certain.

 

[yiostheoy]

No, Stalin exploited historic Russian values in order to kill as many people as he could all around Russia,

sorry, but that sounds absurd and pertains to fairy-tales, not to discussion by adults.

What makes you think that he had an interest in saving anyone?

because in that he saved himself too, and also, any ruler wants his country and its peoples be in an ok shape, otherwise why even try become one.

Stalin was a mass murderer and a madman. His name and his memory should be cursed by the people of Russia. He is paying in hell now for all those he murdered.

How do you know so much about Hell ??

Have you been there and back again ??

Are you an eye witness ??

 

[yiostheoy]

Comrade Stalin holding little mememe

How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today​

March 20, 2013
By Daniel Greenfield

There are two ways that liberal historians usually look at Stalin. The most leftward of these is to see Stalin as a victim of German and American imperialism who struggled to maintain the peace in the face of aggressive expansionistic efforts by Nazi Germany and the United States.

Such a revisionist history would seem to have been thoroughly discredited in this day and age, despite its persistence in the early days of the Cold War, but it continues resurfacing, most recently in an Oliver Stone documentary series.

But for the most part, Khrushchev’s disavowal of Stalin completed a process that began once the Soviet dictator cut a deal with Hitler, triggering a growing Destalinization cascade on the left. Stalinists still persisted in the West, but their influence on the authoring of history steadily diminished. Instead they embraced a different version of history that would salvage the ideological integrity of the left.

In this more conventional version of history, Stalin was not truly a Communist, but a non-ideological dictator who had seized control of the Soviet ship of state and transformed a promisingly progressive revolution into a backward feudal tyranny.

...

This question, like so many of the others in Stalin’s Curse, remains applicable today. While Stalin is dead, there are many lesser Stalins like Morsi, small vicious men with an unlimited capacity for bloodshed and an even more unlimited ability to fool Western leaders into believing in their sincerity and goodness.

The negotiations that allowed Stalin to gobble up so many countries have been repeated again and again. And every time that diplomats call for a diplomatic solution in North Korea and Iran, we find ourselves back sitting across the table from Uncle Joe.

And that may be Stalin’s true curse.

How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

This is a really old thread of several years ago.

Why did you resurrect it ??

Does Stalin remind you of Trump ??

Trump is actually more similar to Hitler and he apparently studies his speeches as well.

In his delivery however Trump is more similar to Mussolini.

 

[yiostheoy]

This is very horrific and reveals the extreme evil Stalin was known for. The forced starvation of over 10 million men, women and children in the Ukraine was also the evil plan of Stalin. His daughter said he had an art picture of Satan on his bedroom wall. It is likely that Stalin was a Satanist. Stalin was a very wicked, evil man.... The people of Russia should be told these things and the stories of those who survived Ukraine forced starvation by Stalin - must keep those stories alive by telling their grandchildren, great grandchildren and telling them to do the same. Photographs should be kept, these kind of documents, everything that will teach the next generation the sickness of Communism and it's fathers, Marx, Lenin, Stalin.... a succession of evil men which only grew worse....

The most horrific thing to me is the power of your brainwashing.

You should do some studying of the Romanov's and their neglect of the Russian people in the throws of WW1.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Reminds you of Vladimir Putin, doesn't it?

No it does not.

Putin was specifically drafted out of the KGB by the Russian intelligentsia surrounding Yeltsin and identified as someone whom they could trust to keep a deal. The deal was that Yeltsin was not to be prosecuted after his retirement.

Then Putin was made into a hero with a planned or staged attack on Chechnya.

Putin was an ordinary civil servant in the KGB until drafted.

Nothing like Stalin.

I disagree. I have read the history of his early days and it does not match the version you are telling here. I also know of the testimony of his beating his wife and cheating on her. The story was first published in Germany I believe and it spoke volumes about the character of Putin. Add to this the poisoning of Litvinenko and the journalists who have also reportedly been assassinated by Putin. This is no ordinary civil servant as you imply. This is a sociopath criminal murderer we're talking about. The evidence is overwhelming.

Litvinenko: Not first Putin critic to end up dead - CNN.com

Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko wasn't the first critic of President Vladimir Putin to turn up dead -- or the last.

Some Putin opponents claim it isn't a coincidence that critics of the powerful leader and his government have been killed or landed behind bars. But the Kremlin has staunchly denied accusations that it's targeting political opponents or had anything to do with the deaths.
Here's a look at some cases of outspoken critics of Putin's government who've ended up in exile, under house arrest, behind bars or killed.
Mikhail Khodorkovsky
The business magnate backed an opposition party and accused Putin of corruption.
He spent more than 10 years behind bars on charges of tax evasion and fraud.

Anna Politkovskaya
She was a vocal critic of Russia's war in Chechnya. Her home was a safe place, until it became the scene of her murder.
She was shot four times at the entrance of her Moscow apartment in October 2006.
Last year, a Moscow court sentenced five men to prison for the killing.
Authorities alleged that an unidentified man asked Lom-Ali Gaitukayev, whom the jury found was a mastermind of the slaying, to kill Politkovskaya in exchange for $150,000 because of her reports of human rights violations and other issues, the Moscow city court said.
The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said her work chronicling human rights abuses in Chechnya led to threats against her and angered Russian authorities.
Shortly after her death, Putin denied any Kremlin involvement in her killing, saying that Politkovskaya's "death in itself is more damaging to the current authorities both in Russia and the Chechen Republic ... than her activities."

Alexander Litvinenko
The former Russian agent was poisoned by a lethal dose of radioactive polonium, his tea spiked in a London hotel during a meeting with two former Russian security servicemen.
After leaving the Russian Federal Security Service, he blamed the agency for orchestrating a series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 that left hundreds dead and led to Russia's invasion of Chechnya later that year.

UK inquiry into former KGB spy's death opens 02:19
In a statement from his deathbed in London in November 2006, he said he had no doubt about who was to blame for his imminent death.
"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price," Litvinenko said at the time. "You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life."

Anastasia Baburova and Stanislav Markelov
In January 2009, a masked man shot and killed Markelov, a Russian human rights lawyer known for his work on abuses by the Russian military in Chechnya.
The gunman also shot Baburova, a journalist from Russia's Novaya Gazeta newspaper, when she tried to intervene.
Markelov was known for his work on high-profile cases. He represented the family of a Chechen woman killed by a former Russian colonel in March 2000.
He held a news conference hours before his death opposing the early release of Col. Yury Budanov, who had been convicted of strangling a Chechen teenage girl and was freed after serving eight years of a 10-year sentence.
At the time, Novaya Gazeta Editor-in-Chief Dmitry Muratov suggested that Baburova was killed when she tried to stop the lawyer's killer, but he said he couldn't dismiss the possibility that she was also a target.

Natalya Estemirova
The Chechnya-based human rights activist was kidnapped outside her home there in July 2009 and found dead in the neighboring Russian republic of Ingushetia later the same day.


Saakashvili: Nemtsov 'one of many' that have died 02:41
Her body was riddled with bullets, Russian prosecutors said -- several shots to the abdomen, and one to the head.

Estemirova had spent years investigating human rights abuses in Chechnya.
She told CNN in 2007 that she was investigating dozens of abductions and murders that had become the norm in Chechnya, where security forces were fighting a dirty war against separatist rebels.

The head of the group Estemirova worked for, Memorial, accuses the Kremlin-backed Chechen leadership of ordering her killing.
Her death drew the ire of European leaders.

"How many more Natalya Estemirovas and Anna Politkovskayas must be killed before the Russian authorities protect people who stand up for the human rights of Russian citizens?" Terry Davis, then the Council of Europe secretary general, said at the time.

The Guardian reported shortly after Estemirova's death that Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov and his aides had threatened her.

Kadyrov denied involvement in her killing, calling it a "monstrous crime" that was carried out to discredit his government.
Boris Berezovsky


Boris Berezovsky is murdered.......

Russian exile's death spurs conspiracies 03:11
The powerful Russian businessman's falling-out with his government left him self-exiled in England.
Berezovsky accused the Kremlin of killing Litvinenko.
And for years, he bankrolled the effort of Litvinenko's widow to push for an inquest into her husband's death.
In 2013, he was found dead inside his house with a noose around his neck.
Was it a suicide? The coroner's office said it could not say.
In 2013, during a phone call to a television show, Putin said he could not rule out that foreign secret services had a role in Berezovsky's death. However, he added that there was no evidence of this.

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Truth goes through 3 stages. 1st it is laughed at - denied 2 nd it is violently opposed 3rd It becomes self-evident.
We can look at the story of these victims and there appears to be one common denominator. What is that? That Putin is not nor was he ever some ordinary civil servant. Your claim has no basis in reality, Yio. NONE


Anna Politkovskaya, a vocal critic of Russia's war in Chechnya, was shot four times in front of her Moscow apartment in 2006. A Moscow court sentenced five men to prison in 2014 for her death.

Human rights activist Natalya Estemirova was kidnapped outside her Chechnya home in July 2009 and was found dead later the same day. The head of the group Estemirova worked for, Memorial, accused the Kremlin-backed Chechen leadership of ordering her killing.
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Photos: Critics of Putin
Russian human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov, left, represented the family of a Chechen woman killed by a former Russian colonel in March 2000. He was shot in 2009. The gunman also killed Anastasia Baburova, right, who may have been trying to intervene.

• Some Putin opponents claim it isn't a coincidence that critics of the powerful leader and his government have been killed or landed behind bars. But the Kremlin has staunchly denied accusations that it's targeting political opponents or had anything to do with the deaths.

Here's a look at some cases of outspoken critics of Putin's government who've ended up in exile, under house arrest, behind bars or killed.
Mikhail Khodorkovsky

The business magnate backed an opposition party and accused Putin of corruption.
He spent more than 10 years behind bars on charges of tax evasion and fraud.
Russia's history of mysterious murders...

In statements to CNN, Khodorkovsky said his prosecution was part of a Kremlin campaign to destroy him and take control of Yukos, the oil company he built from privatization deals in the 1990s.

The Kremlin denied the accusation. At the time of Khodorkovsky's sentencing, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that "allegations about some kind of selective prosecution in Russia are groundless. Russian courts deal with thousands of cases where entrepreneurs are prosecuted."She was a vocal critic of Russia's war in Chechnya. Her home was a safe place, until it became the scene of her murder.
She was shot four times at the entrance of her Moscow apartment in October 2006.
Last year, a Moscow court sentenced five men to prison for the killing.
Authorities alleged that an unidentified man asked Lom-Ali Gaitukayev, whom the jury found was a mastermind of the slaying, to kill Politkovskaya in exchange for $150,000 because of her reports of human rights violations and other issues, the Moscow city court said.

The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said her work chronicling human rights abuses in Chechnya led to threats against her and angered Russian authorities
.
Shortly after her death, Putin denied any Kremlin involvement in her killing, saying that Politkovskaya's "death in itself is more damaging to the current authorities both in Russia and the Chechen Republic ... than her activities."


Alexander Litvinenko
The former Russian agent was poisoned by a lethal dose of radioactive polonium, his tea spiked in a London hotel during a meeting with two former Russian security servicemen.
After leaving the Russian Federal Security Service, he blamed the agency for orchestrating a series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 that left hundreds dead and led to Russia's invasion of Chechnya later that year.

UK inquiry into former KGB spy's death opens 02:19

In a statement from his deathbed in London in November 2006, he said he had no doubt about who was to blame for his imminent death.
"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price," Litvinenko said at the time. "You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life."
Officials have always dismissed the accusation as "nonsense," but suspicions linger.
A Russian federal intelligence service spokesman went as far as to say that Moscow had not carried out any "physical liquidation of unwelcome personalities" since the Soviet era.
The two prime suspects in the poisoning, Andrei Lugavoi and Dmitry Kovtun, are Russian nationals. Both are former agents of the Russian security services. But both deny involvement, and the Russian government refuses to extradite either to Britain to face trial.
Anastasia Baburova and Stanislav Markelov[/paste:font]
In January 2009, a masked man shot and killed Markelov, a Russian human rights lawyer known for his work on abuses by the Russian military in Chechnya.
The gunman also shot Baburova, a journalist from Russia's Novaya Gazeta newspaper, when she tried to intervene.
Markelov was known for his work on high-profile cases. He represented the family of a Chechen woman killed by a former Russian colonel in March 2000.
He held a news conference hours before his death opposing the early release of Col. Yury Budanov, who had been convicted of strangling a Chechen teenage girl and was freed after serving eight years of a 10-year sentence.
At the time, Novaya Gazeta Editor-in-Chief Dmitry Muratov suggested that Baburova was killed when she tried to stop the lawyer's killer, but he said he couldn't dismiss the possibility that she was also a target.
Russian authorities said members of a neo-Nazi group were behind the killings, and two neo-Nazis were convicted for the deaths.
Natalya Estemirova
The Chechnya-based human rights activist was kidnapped outside her home there in July 2009 and found dead in the neighboring Russian republic of Ingushetia later the same day.

Saakashvili: Nemtsov 'one of many' that have died 02:41

Her body was riddled with bullets, Russian prosecutors said -- several shots to the abdomen, and one to the head.
Estemirova had spent years investigating human rights abuses in Chechnya.
She told CNN in 2007 that she was investigating dozens of abductions and murders that had become the norm in Chechnya, where security forces were fighting a dirty war against separatist rebels.
The head of the group Estemirova worked for, Memorial, accuses the Kremlin-backed Chechen leadership of ordering her killing.
Her death drew the ire of European leaders.
"How many more Natalya Estemirovas and Anna Politkovskayas must be killed before the Russian authorities protect people who stand up for the human rights of Russian citizens?" Terry Davis, then the Council of Europe secretary general, said at the time.
The Guardian reported shortly after Estemirova's death that Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov and his aides had threatened her.
Kadyrov denied involvement in her killing, calling it a "monstrous crime" that was carried out to discredit his government.
Boris Berezovsky[/paste:font]

Russian exile's death spurs conspiracies 03:11

The powerful Russian businessman's falling-out with his government left him self-exiled in England.
Berezovsky accused the Kremlin of killing Litvinenko.
And for years, he bankrolled the effort of Litvinenko's widow to push for an inquest into her husband's death.
In 2013, he was found dead inside his house with a noose around his neck.
Was it a suicide? The coroner's office said it could not say.
In 2013, during a phone call to a television show, Putin said he could not rule out that foreign secret services had a role in Berezovsky's death. However, he added that there was no evidence of this.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

This is very horrific and reveals the extreme evil Stalin was known for. The forced starvation of over 10 million men, women and children in the Ukraine was also the evil plan of Stalin. His daughter said he had an art picture of Satan on his bedroom wall. It is likely that Stalin was a Satanist. Stalin was a very wicked, evil man.... The people of Russia should be told these things and the stories of those who survived Ukraine forced starvation by Stalin - must keep those stories alive by telling their grandchildren, great grandchildren and telling them to do the same. Photographs should be kept, these kind of documents, everything that will teach the next generation the sickness of Communism and it's fathers, Marx, Lenin, Stalin.... a succession of evil men which only grew worse....

The most horrific thing to me is the power of your brainwashing.

You should do some studying of the Romanov's and their neglect of the Russian people in the throws of WW1.

It is you who have been brainwashed, Yio. You say that you believe Putin was chosen because he was just an ordinary civil servant? Do you seriously believe that? Your claims about Putin have no basis in reality, Yio. Putin is a sociopath and a murderer - cut from the same cloth as Stalin. You are proud of what you should be covering your face in shame for. To call evil good and good evil is a sin.

Litvinenko: Not first Putin critic to end up dead - CNN.com
The former Russian agent was poisoned by a lethal dose of radioactive polonium, his tea spiked in a London hotel during a meeting with two former Russian security servicemen.
After leaving the Russian Federal Security Service, he blamed the agency for orchestrating a series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 that left hundreds dead and led to Russia's invasion of Chechnya later that year.

UK inquiry into former KGB spy's death opens 02:19
In a statement from his deathbed in London in November 2006, he said he had no doubt about who was to blame for his imminent death.
"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price," Litvinenko said at the time. "You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life."
_________
Yes, it will because the righteous speak up for the dead and will not forget their names. The wicked defend murderers like Vladimir Putin because they are cowards who have not the courage to speak out against evil and defend those who cannot speak up for themselves.

 

[yiostheoy]

This is very horrific and reveals the extreme evil Stalin was known for. The forced starvation of over 10 million men, women and children in the Ukraine was also the evil plan of Stalin. His daughter said he had an art picture of Satan on his bedroom wall. It is likely that Stalin was a Satanist. Stalin was a very wicked, evil man.... The people of Russia should be told these things and the stories of those who survived Ukraine forced starvation by Stalin - must keep those stories alive by telling their grandchildren, great grandchildren and telling them to do the same. Photographs should be kept, these kind of documents, everything that will teach the next generation the sickness of Communism and it's fathers, Marx, Lenin, Stalin.... a succession of evil men which only grew worse....

The most horrific thing to me is the power of your brainwashing.

You should do some studying of the Romanov's and their neglect of the Russian people in the throws of WW1.

It is you who have been brainwashed, Yio. You say that you believe Putin was chosen because he was just an ordinary civil servant? Do you seriously believe that? Your claims about Putin have no basis in reality, Yio. Putin is a sociopath and a murderer - cut from the same cloth as Stalin. You are proud of what you should be covering your face in shame for. To call evil good and good evil is a sin.

Litvinenko: Not first Putin critic to end up dead - CNN.com

Actually I respect Putin.

He justifiably does not trust the USA because of the CIA.

I can't believe that after all of BHO's peace hippy talk to get elected he ended up sending the CIA into Ukraine !!!

And I can't believe how gullible you are to whomever is brainwashing you.

Good bye. I can't risk you b!tching to the mods if I tell you what I really think.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

This is very horrific and reveals the extreme evil Stalin was known for. The forced starvation of over 10 million men, women and children in the Ukraine was also the evil plan of Stalin. His daughter said he had an art picture of Satan on his bedroom wall. It is likely that Stalin was a Satanist. Stalin was a very wicked, evil man.... The people of Russia should be told these things and the stories of those who survived Ukraine forced starvation by Stalin - must keep those stories alive by telling their grandchildren, great grandchildren and telling them to do the same. Photographs should be kept, these kind of documents, everything that will teach the next generation the sickness of Communism and it's fathers, Marx, Lenin, Stalin.... a succession of evil men which only grew worse....

The most horrific thing to me is the power of your brainwashing.

You should do some studying of the Romanov's and their neglect of the Russian people in the throws of WW1.

It is you who have been brainwashed, Yio. You say that you believe Putin was chosen because he was just an ordinary civil servant? Do you seriously believe that? Your claims about Putin have no basis in reality, Yio. Putin is a sociopath and a murderer - cut from the same cloth as Stalin. You are proud of what you should be covering your face in shame for. To call evil good and good evil is a sin.

Litvinenko: Not first Putin critic to end up dead - CNN.com

Actually I respect Putin.

He justifiably does not trust the USA because of the CIA.

I can't believe that after all of BHO's peace hippy talk to get elected he ended up sending the CIA into Ukraine !!!

And I can't believe how gullible you are to whomever is brainwashing you.

Good bye. I can't risk you b!tching to the mods if I tell you what I really think.

Of course you respect Putin. You're with him. What does that say about you other than that you will one day burn in hell for your deception, lies, and complicity with evil? Your defending your Motherland and feigning outrage at Obama all while knowing that your own leader has the blood of the Russian people blood on his hands. Lots of blood.

You, Stratford, Tehon..... all the same - while working different angles of deceit.. but a lie is a lie is a lie... and that is all there is to that.

You three are wicked. If you fear God? You'll repent and call upon the Lord to be saved. If you do not repent, you will be rewarded according to the works of your own hands and ultimately find yourselves in hell one day.

 

[guno]

This is very horrific and reveals the extreme evil Stalin was known for. The forced starvation of over 10 million men, women and children in the Ukraine was also the evil plan of Stalin. His daughter said he had an art picture of Satan on his bedroom wall. It is likely that Stalin was a Satanist. Stalin was a very wicked, evil man.... The people of Russia should be told these things and the stories of those who survived Ukraine forced starvation by Stalin - must keep those stories alive by telling their grandchildren, great grandchildren and telling them to do the same. Photographs should be kept, these kind of documents, everything that will teach the next generation the sickness of Communism and it's fathers, Marx, Lenin, Stalin.... a succession of evil men which only grew worse....

The most horrific thing to me is the power of your brainwashing.

You should do some studying of the Romanov's and their neglect of the Russian people in the throws of WW1.

Romanov's

And the czars pogroms against the Jews, thankfully the Reds had the entire bunch shot so their would be no more of them

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

http://www.hourofthetime.com/1-LF/Hour_Of_The_Time_08122012-Marx_and_Satan.pdf

"The Organization "Hell"

Communists have a habit of creating front organizations. All of the above suggests the probability that Communist movements are themselves front organizations for occult Satanism. The means to fight Satanism are spiritual, not carnal; otherwise, while one Satanist front organization, such as nazism, is defeated, another will rise to greater victory.

Himmler, the minister of interior affairs of Nazi Germany, thought himself to be King Henry the Fowler's reincarnation. He believed that it was possible to harness occult powers to serve the Nazi army. Several Nazi leaders were involved in black magic. What was mere supposition when I published the first edition of this present book is now a proven fact.

The proof has been given by the Communists themselves. The story begins with the Netchaiev case, which prompted Dostoyevski to write his renowned novel The Demons. Netchaiev, called a "splendid, young fanatic" by Bakunin, Marx's collaborator in founding the First International, wrote The Catechism o f the Revolutionist as the guide for the Russian organization "Popular Revenge."

It appeared around 1870. The purpose of this organization was formulated as follows. Our cause is terrible, complete, universal, and pitiless destruction.... Let us unite with the savage, criminal world, these true and only revolutionists of Russia. The first man the Netchaiev group killed was one of their founding comrades, Ivanov, who dared to criticize his leadership.

No criticism was permitted. Netchaiev's plan was to divide mankind into two unequal parts. One tenth gets personal liberty аnd unlimited rights over the other nine tenths. These must lose their personality and turn into a kind of herd. They will engage in spy work. Each member of society will spy on the other and will be obliged to denounce.... All are slaves аnd are equal in slavery.

Netchaiev wrote in his Catechism: A revolutionist must infiltrate everywhere, in the upper and lower classes ... in churches ... in literature. 59 His disciple Peter Verhovensky commented: We are already terribly powerful.... Jurors who acquit criminals are completely ours. The district attorney who trembles in courts not to be considered liberal enough is ours. Administrators, men of letters, we are many, very many, and they don't know they belong to us. On the basis of such a program an organization with an impressive name was formed - the World Revolutionist League.

Its constitution was signed by Netchaiev and Bakunin, Marx's intimate collaborator. In the beginning the League consisted of only a handful of men. The revolutionist Duke Peter Dolgorukov wrote on October 31, 1862: In London I met Kelsiev (who belonged to the above organization), a narrowminded but good man, terribly fanatical, with the face of a soft man. Kelsiev told me softly, with a benevolent look: "If we have to slaughter, why not slaughter, provided this is useful?" ... All these London men speak continually about "burning down, slaughtering, cutting in pieces."

These words have never left their tongue since Bakunin came to England... In 1869, in Geneva, Netchaiev wrote a proclamation in which, referring to the man who shot Emperor Alexander II, he advises: We must consider what Karakazov did as prologue. Yes, this was a prologue. Let us see to it that the drama itself begins soon. Another proclamation says, Soon, soon the day comes when we will unfurl the great flag of the future, the Red flag, and we will attack with great noise the Imperial palace... We will have one shout, "To the axes!" and then we will kill the party of the emperor.

Do not pity.... Kill in pub is places if these base rascals dare to enter them, kill in houses, kill in villages. Remember, those who will not side with us will be against us. Whoever is against us is our enemy. And we must destroy enemies by all means. In 1872, a revolutionary society was formed under the simple name "The Organization," which had a super-secret circle chillingly called "Hell."

Though its goals have continued to be pursued for well over a century by groups which continually change their names, its existence has been unknown to the outside world. Soviet historians have dared to write about the activities of "Hell," a forerunner of the Russian Communist Party, only as recently as 1965, ninety-three years after its formation. 60 In Revolutionist Underground in Russia, E. S. Vilenskaia wrote: "Hell" was the name of the center above the secret organization, which not only used terror against the monarchy, but also had punitive functions toward the members of the secret organization.

In Tchernishevsky or Netchaiev we read that one of the members (Fediseev) of "Hell" took it upon himself to poison his own father in order to give the organization his inheritance. Tchernishevsky, who belonged to this movement, wrote, I'll participate in revolution; I am not frightened by dirt, by drunkards with sticks, by slaughter. We don't care if we have to shed thrice as much food as the rebels in the French revolution. So what if we had to kill a hundred thousand farmers?

Here are some of the expressed aims of this Satanic organization: Mystification is the best, almost the only means to impel men to make a revolution. It is enough to kill a few million people and the wheels of revolution will be oiled. Our ideal is awful, complete, universal, and pitiless destruction. And again: Mankind must be divided into two unequal parts. One tenth receives personal liberty and unlimited rights over the other nine tenths. The latter must lose their personality and become a kind of herd. In their writings we constantly find the words, "We are not afraid."

A typical example is the following proclamation: We are not afraid that we might find out three times more food will have to be shed for the overthrow of the existing order than the Jacobins (French revolutionists) had to shed in their revolution in 1790.... If for the fulfillment of our objectives we had to slaughter one hundred thousand landlords, we would not be afraid of this either. In reality, the number of victims was much greater.

Churchill says in his Memoirs of World War II that Stalin confessed that ten million people died as a result of the collectivization of agriculture in the Soviet Union. The important fact to remember is that the Communists have now confessed, after a delay of almost a hundred years, that at the inception of their movement was a circle called "Hell." Why "Hell"? Why not "The Society for the Betterment of the Poor" or "…of Mankind"?

Why the stark emphasis on hell? Today the Communists are more cautious. But in the beginning their very name revealed that their avowed aim was to recruit men for eternal damnation.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Stalin was a Satanist even as Karl Marx was a Satanist.......

http://www.hourofthetime.com/1-LF/Hour_Of_The_Time_08122012-Marx_and_Satan.pdf

Eventually Marx claims not to even admit the existence of a Creator. Incredibly, he maintained that mankind shaped itself. He wrote, Seeing that for the Socialist man all of so-called world history is nothing other than the creation of man through human work, than the development of nature for man, he has the incontestable proof of his being born from himself.... The criticism of religion ends with the teaching that man is the supreme being for man.

When no Creator is acknowledged, there is no one to give us commandments, or to whom we are accountable. Marx confirms this by stating, "Communists preach absolutely no morals." When the Soviets in their early years adopted the slogan, "Let us drive out the capitalists from earth and God from heaven," they were merely fulfilling the legacy of Karl Marx.

One of the peculiarities of hack magic, as mentioned earlier, is the inversion of names. Inversions in general so permeated Marx's whole manner of thinking that he used them throughout. He answered Proudhon's book The Philosophy of Misery with another book entitled The Misery of Philosophy.

He also wrote, "We have to use instead of the weapon of criticism, the criticism of weapons." Here are further examples of Marx’s use of inversion in his writing: Let us seek the enigma of the Jew not in his religion, but rather let us seek the enigma of his religion in the real Jew.

Luther broke the faith in authority, because he restored the authority of faith. He changed the priests into laymen, because he changed the laymen into priests. Marx used this technique in many places. He used what could be called typical Satanist style.

Shifting gears somewhat, men usually wore beards in Marx's time, but not beards like his, and they did not have long hair. Marx's manner and appearance was characteristic of the disciples of Joanna Southcott, a cultist priestess of an occult sect who claimed to be in contact with the ghost Shiloh.

It is strange that some sixty years after her death in 1814, the Chatham group of Southcottians were joined by a soldier, James White, who, after his period of service in India, returned and took the lead locally, developing further the doctrines of Joanna ... with a communistic tinge. 16 Marx did not often speak publicly about metaphysics, but we can gather his views from the men with whom he associated.


One of his partners in the First International was Mikhail Bakunin, a Russian anarchist, who wrote: The Evil One is the satanic revolt against divine authority, revolt in which we see the fecund germ of all human emancipations, the revolution. Socialists recognise each other by the words "In the name of the one to whom a great wrong has been done." Satan [is] the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds.
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Note - Now the readers on this thread can see where Saul Alinksy dedicated his book to Lucifer. He too was a Satanist......
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Continuing .......

He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge. Bakunin does more than praise Lucifer. He has a concrete program of revolution, but not one that would free the poor from exploitation.

He writes: In this revolution we will have to awaken the Devil in the people, to stir up the basest passions. Our mission is to destroy, not to edify. The passion of destruction is a creative passion. Marx, along with Bakunin, formed the First International and endorsed this strange program. Marx and Engels said in The Communist Manifesto that the proletarian sees law, morality, and religion as "so many bourgeois prejudices, behind which lurk in ambush just as many bourgeois interests."

Bakunin reveals that Proudhon, another major Socialist thinker and at that time a friend of Karl Marx, also "worshiped Satan." Hess had introduced Marx to Proudhon, who wore the same hair style typical of the nineteenth-century Satanist sect of Joanna Southcott. Proudhon, in The Philosophy of Misery, declared that God was the prototype for injustice. We reach knowledge in spite of him, we reach society in spite of him.

Every step forward is a victory in which we overcome the Divine. He exclaims, Come, Satan, slandered by the small and by kings. God is stupidity and cowardice; God is hypocrisy and falsehood; God is tyranny and poverty; God is evil. Where humanity bows before an altar, humanity, the slave of kings and priests, will be condemned.... I swear, God, with my hand stretched out towards the heavens, that you are nothing more than the executioner of my reason, the sceptre of my conscience.... God is essentially anticivilized, antiliberal, antihuman.

Proudhon declares God to be evil because man, His creation, is evil. Such thoughts are not original; they are the usual content of sermons delivered in Satanist worship. Marx later quarreled with Proudhon and wrote a book to refute his Philosophy of Misery. But Marx contradicted only minor economic doctrines.

He had no objection to Proudhon's demonic anti-God rebellion. 17 Heinrich Heine, the renowned German poet, was a third intimate friend of Marx. He too was a Satan fancier.

He wrote: I called the devil and he came, His face with wonder I must scan; He is not ugly, he is not lame. He is a delightful, charming man. "Marx was a great admirer of Heinrich Heine... . Their relationship was warm, hearty."

Why did he admire Heine? Perhaps for Satanist thoughts like the following: I have a desire ... for a few beautiful trees before my door, and if dear God wishes to make me totally happy, he will give me the joy of seeing six or seven of my enemies hanged on these trees.

With a compassionate heart I will forgive them after death all the wrong they have done to me during their life. Yes, we must forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged. I am not revengeful. I would like to love my enemies. But I cannot love them before taking revenge upon them. Only then my heart opens for them.

As long as one has not avenged himself, bitterness remains in the heart. Would any decent man be an intimate friend of one who thinks like this?

But Marx and his entourage thought alike. Lunatcharski, a leading philosopher who was once minister of education of the U.S.S.R., wrote in Socialism aid Religion that Marx set aside all contact with God and instead put Satan in front of marching proletarian columns.

It is essential at this point to state emphatically that Marx and his comrades, while anti-God, were not atheists, as present-day Marxists claim to be.

That is, while they openly denounced and reviled God, they hated a God in whom they believed. They challenged not His existence, but His supremacy. When the revolution broke out in Paris in 1871, the Communard Flourens declared, "Our enemy is God.

Hatred of God is the beginning of wisdom." Marx greatly praised the Communards who openly proclaimed this aim. But what has this to do with a more equitable distribution of goods or with better social institutions?

Such are only the outward trappings for concealing the real aim - the total eradication of God and His worship. We saw the evidence of this in such countries as Albania, and today in North Korea, where all churches, mosques, and pagodas have been closed.
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Yes, it is of no surprise that both Russia and China secretly have the slave labor camps in N.Korea manufacturing their goods and sewing labels in the merchandise that reads, Made in Russia / Made in China....... even as a man is known by the company he keeps so are nations who align themselves together in a tight knit even as NK, China & Russia have. It is no small thing that our own nation has turned against our allies while showing open friendship to such communists as Fidel Castro and Chavez (before he died). May God open the eyes of the American people.

 

[Igrok_]

It was not exactly that difficult.

not difficult if seen from hindsight but, at the moment, no one knew what the situation would turn out to be. Stalin didn't set killing people as a goal; on contrary, he tried to save as many as he could; thats why he resorted to Russian historical values and gave up Bolshevism, in order to create, not destroy.

No, Stalin exploited historic Russian values in order to kill as many people as he could all around Russia, most famously in the Ukraine, but later in ww2 in Hungary and in Poland too. He was clever, and he figured that that is the only way. What makes you think that he had an interest in saving anyone?

Futhermore, originally he was a murderer not as a politician, but in common sense. During his job in communist party in the early 20th century he was killing and robbing people as a member of a gang. All the communists - were more or less connected with criminal world, gangsters - were their allies as the class that had nothing to lose and most opposed to Russia.

Reminds you of Vladimir Putin, doesn't it?

not really. In his young ages Putin was an excellent pupil, was good in judo. Nowadays according to his very strange laws he makes me think a lot of about USSR resurrection, but still i hope that this is just an illusion

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It was not exactly that difficult.

not difficult if seen from hindsight but, at the moment, no one knew what the situation would turn out to be. Stalin didn't set killing people as a goal; on contrary, he tried to save as many as he could; thats why he resorted to Russian historical values and gave up Bolshevism, in order to create, not destroy.

No, Stalin exploited historic Russian values in order to kill as many people as he could all around Russia, most famously in the Ukraine, but later in ww2 in Hungary and in Poland too. He was clever, and he figured that that is the only way. What makes you think that he had an interest in saving anyone?

Futhermore, originally he was a murderer not as a politician, but in common sense. During his job in communist party in the early 20th century he was killing and robbing people as a member of a gang. All the communists - were more or less connected with criminal world, gangsters - were their allies as the class that had nothing to lose and most opposed to Russia.

Reminds you of Vladimir Putin, doesn't it?

not really. In his young ages Putin was an excellent pupil, was good in judo. Nowadays according to his very strange laws he makes me think a lot of about USSR resurrection, but still i hope that this is just an illusion

Not according to this international story, he wasn't. Neither you or I were present when Putin was a child so what we can do is look at documentation found, people who perhaps attended school with him, etc. That is most likely the best we can do, Igrok. Here is the story of his classroom performance:

Paper Reveals Putin's Cheeky Childhood

Watch out, schoolteachers. That little monster who talks in class, throws erasers at his classmates, and skips his homework may grow up to the nation's top spy, or worse yet, its leader.

That's exactly what happened in Russia, says the popular tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda.

Earlier this week, the daily announced that it had found President Vladimir Putin's grade book in the dusty attic of a small wooden house where he spent his childhood summers.

The book painted a picture of an 11-year-old boy who was far from any sort of greatness at the time.

One instructor's comment said, "before class [Putin] threw chalkboard erasers at the children."

Others read: "Didn't do his math homework." "Behaved badly during singing class." "Talks in class."

The grade book revealed that Putin was once caught passing notes to a boy named Bogandov when he should have been paying attention to his teacher.

It also said the future president and judo champion fought repeatedly with his gym teacher during the 1963-64 school year. Young Putin was sent out of class and punished for forgetting his uniform, according to the paper.

One day, Putin's father was even summoned to school, after he boy got into a fight with an older student.

He was "one of us," the paper declared, apparently proud about Putin's unexceptional childhood.

Mediocrity Apparent

Putin's grades didn't reveal anything exceptional, either. On the Soviet five-point scale, he scored threes in arithmetic and natural science, and a two in drawing.

The only subject in which he scored a five was history. He also got a five for behavior, despite his altercations in gym class.

The tabloid said Putin's true love was German. Along with the grade book, the newspaper said it also found Putin's school notebooks. Young Putin loved German so much that there were German notes all over his books for other subjects, it said.

The paper said it even found German flashcards tucked inside his chemistry notebook.



A Refugee's Revelation

The newspaper obtained the notebooks after hearing that the house's current occupant had found some of Putin's notebooks in the attic when she moved in.

The house is a "dacha," or summer house, in the town of Tosno, outside St. Petersburg.

The Putins, like other families, visited the dacha on weekends during the winter, but lived there full-time during the summer, tending their vegetable garden.

Nadezhda Pankova, a refugee from Kazakhstan, initially told the reporters that she burned everything. But when they pressed her to let them look in the attic, she relented and went to fetch a ladder.

The discovery was a prize for Russian and world media, who have been searching for details of the former KGB spy's past ever since he came to power more than a year ago.

ABCNEWS.com's Derek Thomson contributed to this report.
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Although this alleged documentation of Putin's performance in school was found in the attic of a house he lived in as a child - one has to consider that the woman would have feared giving such information to the reporters unless this was already cleared by their state run media - which Pravda is known to be. The truth is probably some place in the middle.. What I see in Putin is a man who has no understanding of God. If he knew God he would fear him. By his actions, it is quite apparent that he does not fear the LORD.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

There is no defense possible for Stalin.

as if you're informed enough to speak out in such manner...

what do you know on the subject but the lies you were told at school and by the media?

He obviously knows the truth. It's not as easy to cover up as you might think.

 

[sharik]

Reminds you of Vladimir Putin, doesn't it?

not in the least.

Stalin was a mass murderer and a madman.

grow up.