How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

[sharik]

So Stalin was a nice guy, and just gets bad press?

exactly.

 

[sharik]

You mean what a pack of facts and historical data from a wide variety of sources,

western sources, in case you failed to notice, silly, they have an axe to grind; might as well give links to your on writings.

 

[Unkotare]

You mean what a pack of facts and historical data from a wide variety of sources,

western sources, in case you failed to notice, silly, they have an axe to grind; might as well give links to your on writings.

Get back into the bad movie you crawled out of, clown.

 

[Decus]

Russia Today which is a Russian government funded news channel posts this on their website:

"Stalin's purges could otherwise be translated as "Stalin's Terror". They grew from his paranoia and his desire to be absolute autocrat, and were enforced via the NKVD (Communist Secret police) and public 'show trials'. They helped develop a centrally-enforced 'cult of Stalin-worship', and a terrifying system of labor camps - the gulag."
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"The purges affected not only those who openly opposed Stalin, but ordinary people too. During Stalin's rule of the country over 20 million people were sent to labor camps, where nearly half of them died."
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"An indication of the vast scope of the Great Purge was the discovery, during the Second World War, in Vinnytsia (Ukraine) of a mass grave containing 10,000 bodies of residents of the region who were shot between 1937 and 1938. Given the lack of complete data, it is difficult to establish the total loss of life brought about by the Stalinist terror. An average estimate is that in the Soviet Union as a whole, about 500,000 were executed in 1937-39 and somewhere between 3 and 12 million were sent to labor camps."
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"After Stalin's death all of the victims of the purges (or as they were called, “enemies of the people”) were gradually rehabilitated."

Stalin's Purges – Russiapedia Of Russian origin

 

[sharik]

Get back into the bad movie you crawled out of, clown.

bad movies? Hollywood's and you seem to have watched these a lot.

Russia Today which is a Russian government funded news channel posts this on their website:

so what? Russia govt appeasing the West and looking lame compared to Stalin, of course they badmouth him for his achievements.

 

[Igrok_]

the ever dastardly West is disgusting in its attacks on Russia, its peoples and history.

How is Stalin connected to russian people and history? Gulag, slavery, totall genocide of russians, famine, use of people to make only weapons to kill western people while civil accomodation of technology was banned, total propaganda and censorship, death penalty for children, 25-years penalties in slavery for jokes and 'wrong' way of thinking...

Yeah russians will never forget the regime that ruined their 1000-year country in just 75 years, divided it into several parts and still claim themselves as benefactors! What an insane thinking!

 

[sharik]

How is Stalin connected to russian people and history?

how?.. very directly and immediately. Stalin saved Russia, its peoples & culture.

Gulag, slavery, totall genocide of russians, famine,

just don't make up stories, ok?

while civil accomodation of technology was banned,

it was not banned, on contrary, it was implemented to be used by Soviet peoples'.

total propaganda and censorship,

they in the West live like that for decades now.

death penalty for children,

making up stories again?.. provide the names of these children.

25-years penalties in slavery for jokes

no such penalty existed; my grandfather spent only half year in jail 1937 for telling anti-communist joke.

 

[Igrok_]

they in the West live like that for decades now.

what is in the West doesn't matter.

making up stories again?.. provide the names of these children.

Names? Maybe height and weight too? Or foot size?

no such penalty existed; my grandfather spent only half year in jail 1937 for telling anti-communist joke.

And what your grandfather has to do here?

Stalin saved Russia, its peoples & culture.

By eliminating them? Good saving.

just don't make up stories, ok?

And that is your answer, I suppose. Ok, proceed living in your fantasies, maybe somewhen you will face the reality.

 

[anotherlife]

Stalin was evil, but he was rather a puppet of the Russian Jews, if not a Jew himself, by family origin. ...in case we want to find out who wants toe.iminate the Russians.

 

[Igrok_]

Stalin was evil, but he was rather a puppet of the Russian Jews, if not a Jew himself, by family origin. ...in case we want to find out who wants toe.iminate the Russians.

russians were too weak in order to resist Stalin. Nobody was prepared for that kind of evil, which wasn't known in the world before...

 

[sharik]

Names? Maybe height and weight too? Or foot size?

no, just names.

And what your grandfather has to do here?

serves as an example, what else?

By eliminating them? Good saving.

like, all of them? Stalin was interested there to be more Russians, he depended on the people, so he protected them, its clear as daylight.

 

[sharik]

Stalin was evil,

and who is not then?

 

[sharik]

russians were too weak in order to resist Stalin.

why should they resist the one who gave them free education & healthcare and lead them to victories and other achievements.

 

[anotherlife]

Stalin was evil,

and who is not then?

There are degrees of it.

 

[ThirdTerm]

Stalin oversaw the country’s rapid industrialization, the collectivization of agriculture, and the Allied victory in World War II. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union became a nuclear power and gained permanent membership on the UN Security Council. Stalin also ordered the construction of Moscow’s metro system, the iconic Seven Sisters skyscrapers, and the All-Russia Exhibition Center.

 

[anotherlife]

Stalin was evil, but he was rather a puppet of the Russian Jews, if not a Jew himself, by family origin. ...in case we want to find out who wants toe.iminate the Russians.

russians were too weak in order to resist Stalin. Nobody was prepared for that kind of evil, which wasn't known in the world before...

Is it possible, that ww1 implemented an aspect of humans, that was underestimated before that time, and is more evil than imagined.

 

[Igrok_]

no, just names.

Ivan, Vasiliy - just one of them. It's enough.

serves as an example, what else?

How you grandfather could serve as example? The example is who were prisoned on 25 years for his relatives or way of thinking.

By eliminating them? Good saving.

like, all of them? Stalin was interested there to be more Russians, he depended on the people, so he protected them, its clear as daylight.

Not, just several dozens million. Not much for him and his believers.
He didn't depend on people, how could mass murderer depend on his victims.

Stalin was evil,

and who is not then?

In comarison with Lenin and Stalin even Hitler is a good man.

russians were too weak in order to resist Stalin.

why should they resist the one who gave them free education & healthcare and lead them to victories and other achievements.

yep! and took their lifes and ruined families. Good exchange only for communist fanatics.

 

[Igrok_]

Photo of the communist's document allowing death penalty for children:

 

[sharik]

There are degrees of it.

that's hypocrisy if so. Stalin was dealing with incomparably more complex issues than any ruler in world history; he had to build a country from scratch and create a new ruling elite in place of the annihilated one; he also built a new model state with completely different economy model than ever seen before; this was achieved amidst raging bureaucracy wars and sabotage; its just fantastic that he managed to accomplish that.

 

[sharik]

Ivan, Vasiliy - just one of them. It's enough.

i meant surnames, of course.

The example is who were prisoned on 25 years for his relatives or way of thinking.

you wouldn't get jailed for 'way of thinking' back then and never.
you had to belong to a group of corporate interests or be a criminal like murderer or rapist to do time that long.

Not, just several dozens million. Not much for him and his believers.

if you count those who died natural death, like old age or desease, then yes, millions.
but it concerns every country whatever period in history.

He didn't depend on people,

seems you've no idea how a State governed. Stalin depended on the people more than any other ruler did in history of mankind.
he needed soldiers, workers and peasants to defend and build the country.

In comarison with Lenin and Stalin even Hitler is a good man.

now i see, your a nazi, aren't you?

yep! and took their lifes and ruined families.

don't make up stories again, you would not fool anyone here.