Stop Blaming Israel For the Gaza War

[Sally]

All countries were acquired by force and defended, including all arab land. Just like where you live. Now please shut the fuck up.

By the time Israel was created it was illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

When the Chinese give back Tibet, Russia gives back Crimea, whites get South Africa back, Zimbabwe, the US gives back Saudi Arabia and gets out of all the places it got in by force like Germany and Japan... , north Vietnam gives back the South... Come back and we'll talk. Singly out Israel simply shows your anti semitism.
And if you can't take land anymore by force, then what are Arabs fighting Israel for?

You forgot to mention the Turks occupying part of Cyrus. I am sure the Cypriots would like to see the Turks all gone.

 

[Challenger]

By the time Israel was created it was illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

When the Chinese give back Tibet, Russia gives back Crimea, whites get South Africa back, Zimbabwe, the US gives back Saudi Arabia and gets out of all the places it got in by force like Germany and Japan... , north Vietnam gives back the South... Come back and we'll talk. Singly out Israel simply shows your anti semitism.
And if you can't take land anymore by force, then what are Arabs fighting Israel for?

You forgot to mention the Turks occupying part of Cyrus. I am sure the Cypriots would like to see the Turks all gone.

Which Cypriots, the Greek speakers or the Turkish speakers?

 

[Sally]

When the Chinese give back Tibet, Russia gives back Crimea, whites get South Africa back, Zimbabwe, the US gives back Saudi Arabia and gets out of all the places it got in by force like Germany and Japan... , north Vietnam gives back the South... Come back and we'll talk. Singly out Israel simply shows your anti semitism.
And if you can't take land anymore by force, then what are Arabs fighting Israel for?

You forgot to mention the Turks occupying part of Cyrus. I am sure the Cypriots would like to see the Turks all gone.

Which Cypriots, the Greek speakers or the Turkish speakers?

From your home in England, I wouldn't think it would be a long trip for you to question these Cypriots and get their feeling of things regarding the Turks. Perhaps some day you can take a longer trip and question the Tibetans how they feel about the Chinese.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have a different story showing where Israel acquired land?

All countries were acquired by force and defended, including all arab land. Just like where you live. Now please shut the fuck up.

By the time Israel was created it was illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

And yet the ISLAMONAZIS are allowed to use force to acquire land to this day all over the world, so why aren't they stopped dead by the civilised UN and the western powers.

 

[Phoenall]

When the Chinese give back Tibet, Russia gives back Crimea, whites get South Africa back, Zimbabwe, the US gives back Saudi Arabia and gets out of all the places it got in by force like Germany and Japan... , north Vietnam gives back the South... Come back and we'll talk. Singly out Israel simply shows your anti semitism.
And if you can't take land anymore by force, then what are Arabs fighting Israel for?

You forgot to mention the Turks occupying part of Cyrus. I am sure the Cypriots would like to see the Turks all gone.

Which Cypriots, the Greek speakers or the Turkish speakers?

The Turkish ones are the invaders and have no right to live there, they invaded and took by force Greek land and property. They operate an apartheid state in as much as you try and enter from the Greek side and you will be questioned on why you went to Greece and not Turkey.

 

[aris2chat]

But, Gaza George, you never mention what the British officials in the area reported -- that the Arabs were swarming in from their impovershed countries because the Jews had jobs for them, the same reason that the Central Americans have flooded into the Picoi Union area where you live -- they came for jobs. What would have happened to these poor Arabs if they had stayed in their original countries without work to support a family? We see how desperate people are to leave their poor countries that many from Africa try to reach Europe on boats which are unseaworthy, and thus they drown. Mexicans are willing to trek through the desert to get to the U.S. and many have died on their way here.

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

Well we have all seen how violent and murderous the arab muslims are over the last 1400 years. While everyone else was changing their lives for the better the arab muslims were engaging in child rape, violence, amputations, murder and theft.

25 killed by a bomb there, 43 sent to jail for terrorism, here, recruiting boys to fight there, kids starving here, 50+ tortured and crucified there, Iron Dome stopping rockets here, hamas showing off rockets there......................

it can be a dangerous place to live because of hate, fanaticism and violence.

 

[aris2chat]

All countries were acquired by force and defended, including all arab land. Just like where you live. Now please shut the fuck up.

By the time Israel was created it was illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, even though you are obsessed with one little area of the world, do you have anything to say about what is happening in the rest of the Middle East where your brethren are busy murdering innocent others?

iran
Israel was created the same way Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan were created. The same way other nations that had been part of "empires" were created.
Israel has a legal right to exist. It has more historical, religious and cultural connection to the land. It has done more to care for the land and develop it. It has taken in refugees from around the world who were forced out of their homes and countries because of prejudice and hate. It has defended the land and people from several wars in the last 65 yrs.

 

[georgephillip]

By the time Israel was created it was illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, even though you are obsessed with one little area of the world, do you have anything to say about what is happening in the rest of the Middle East where your brethren are busy murdering innocent others?

iran
Israel was created the same way Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan were created. The same way other nations that had been part of "empires" were created.
Israel has a legal right to exist. It has more historical, religious and cultural connection to the land. It has done more to care for the land and develop it. It has taken in refugees from around the world who were forced out of their homes and countries because of prejudice and hate. It has defended the land and people from several wars in the last 65 yrs.

Israel was born of ethnic cleansing that resulted in over 700,000 indigenous residents of Mandate Palestine being forced from homes and farms that some had occupied for generations and funneled into squalid refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. This occurred because Arabs objected to a UN decree ( backed by the imperial powers of the day) that awarded Jews with over half the land of Mandate Palestine, in spite of the fact Jews owned about 6% of that real estate and comprised less than one-third of all the people living there. Jews won the war that resulted and during that aspect of their ethnic cleansing campaign increased their total land holdings to about 75% of Palestine, without any regard for the Hague Regulations of 1907 or the UN Charter of 1945 both of which make it illegal to acquire territory by force of arms.

 

[Sally]

By the time Israel was created it was illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, even though you are obsessed with one little area of the world, do you have anything to say about what is happening in the rest of the Middle East where your brethren are busy murdering innocent others?

iran
Israel was created the same way Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan were created. The same way other nations that had been part of "empires" were created.
Israel has a legal right to exist. It has more historical, religious and cultural connection to the land. It has done more to care for the land and develop it. It has taken in refugees from around the world who were forced out of their homes and countries because of prejudice and hate. It has defended the land and people from several wars in the last 65 yrs.

As you can see, Aris, from Gaza George's post after yours, he is only interested in involving his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, and is not interested in how these other countries were formed. He keeps on spamming the same thing over and over as if it will make it true. He, of course, leaves out the part where the Arab leaders told the Arabs in the area to leave so they wouldn't be in the way of the armies; and when the armies wiped out the Jews, the Arabs who left could come back and take the property of the Jews. The Arabs who actually had property and businesses stayed in Israel and are now citizens of Israel. Meanwhile, the killing is still going on in other Middle East areas, and Gaza George's eyes are tightly shut because he can't blame his scapegoats for all the murders which are being committed. Rest assured, though, that he will spam his same bit once again for perhaps the thousandth time.

 

[protectionist]

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, even though you are obsessed with one little area of the world, do you have anything to say about what is happening in the rest of the Middle East where your brethren are busy murdering innocent others?

iran
Israel was created the same way Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan were created. The same way other nations that had been part of "empires" were created.
Israel has a legal right to exist. It has more historical, religious and cultural connection to the land. It has done more to care for the land and develop it. It has taken in refugees from around the world who were forced out of their homes and countries because of prejudice and hate. It has defended the land and people from several wars in the last 65 yrs.

Israel was born of ethnic cleansing that resulted in over 700,000 indigenous residents of Mandate Palestine being forced from homes and farms that some had occupied for generations and funneled into squalid refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. This occurred because Arabs objected to a UN decree ( backed by the imperial powers of the day) that awarded Jews with over half the land of Mandate Palestine, in spite of the fact Jews owned about 6% of that real estate and comprised less than one-third of all the people living there. Jews won the war that resulted and during that aspect of their ethnic cleansing campaign increased their total land holdings to about 75% of Palestine, without any regard for the Hague Regulations of 1907 or the UN Charter of 1945 both of which make it illegal to acquire territory by force of arms.

Why don't you start your own thread, since you obviously refuse to stick to the topic which is the cause of the Gaza War, which is simply Islamic jihad. And this lunacy has been going on ever since the cancer of Islam began. No matter waht Israel has done or hasn't done, jihadist lunatics like Hamas are going to attack, and all of this will not cease until they are completely wiped out.

 

[Rehmani]

People should blaming Israel For the Gaza War. They are just defending themselves from the Muslim terrorist creeps known as Hamas. The Palestinians are just an unfortunate people caught in the crossfire.

The Hamas Charter clearly defines the reason for this terrible war. It is because Hamas is a bunch of Muslim jihadist lunatics, hell bent on annihilating Israel. All this talk about the Palestinians and land is just a con job to gain sympathy for Hamas. They don't care a wit about the Palestinians, and they invite harm to these poor people by attacking Israel and than locating themselves and their weapons closely among the Palestinians, where they know this will get them killed. Then they blame it on Israel and seek world condemnation,

Some foolish people fall for this scam and attack Israel for the deaths of Palestinians, playing right into the hands of Hamas, who set it all up that way.

Alan M. Dershowitz: When will Gazans finally get fed up with Hamas? | National Post

Only Blame go to Israel, because Israelis are invader they are the who pushed Palestinian in to camps and took away their lively hood and continue to refuse the peace deal approved by Arab league and continue the grab Palestinian remaining land and divide Palestine in four Countries in Jordan,Lebanon,Israel and pushing Palestinian into camp by not giving their country back to Palestinian, what is all that mean. It means they don't want peace at all. Not only that in the result now these paranoid Israelis got hard liner like Hamas and Hezbollah. Who do you think blame should go?

 

[soonerthunder22]

Israel is our only friend in the Middle East. We should be doing everything in our power to aid this country who is surrounded by cutthroat savages. If we had a president such as Netenyahu, we would be shoulder to shoulder with the Israelis...helping to fight off the despicable radical Islamist hoards and ridding the earth of every trace of ISIS, a militant group who is even too maniacal for al-Qaeda to sanction.

 

[Phoenall]

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, even though you are obsessed with one little area of the world, do you have anything to say about what is happening in the rest of the Middle East where your brethren are busy murdering innocent others?

iran
Israel was created the same way Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan were created. The same way other nations that had been part of "empires" were created.
Israel has a legal right to exist. It has more historical, religious and cultural connection to the land. It has done more to care for the land and develop it. It has taken in refugees from around the world who were forced out of their homes and countries because of prejudice and hate. It has defended the land and people from several wars in the last 65 yrs.

Israel was born of ethnic cleansing that resulted in over 700,000 indigenous residents of Mandate Palestine being forced from homes and farms that some had occupied for generations and funneled into squalid refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. This occurred because Arabs objected to a UN decree ( backed by the imperial powers of the day) that awarded Jews with over half the land of Mandate Palestine, in spite of the fact Jews owned about 6% of that real estate and comprised less than one-third of all the people living there. Jews won the war that resulted and during that aspect of their ethnic cleansing campaign increased their total land holdings to about 75% of Palestine, without any regard for the Hague Regulations of 1907 or the UN Charter of 1945 both of which make it illegal to acquire territory by force of arms.

No it was born out of a need for compassion that is still lacking in the arab muslims. At the end of the day the arab muslims really had no say in what the lands LEGAL OWNERS did with the land. They were just squatters living of the backs of the hard working Jews and being parasites, still clinging to a 7c declaration that their god had made them the chosen people and had given them the world to own. Every civilised history book tells of illegal arab muslim migration to Palestine on the rumours of work and possible theft of Jewish farms. A practise as old as islam itself and it is proscribed for muslims as a means of gaining land and sex slaves. The Palestinians have practised ethnic cleansing since the arrived in the land and just recently cleansed its land of 10% of the population and not a whisper from you lot. Same when hamas/fatah wiped out each others families in gaza and the west bank and more children were murdered then than Israel has killed since 2005, again not a whisper from you over this. In fact every time the Palestinians murder their own people or go on a killing spree you say nothing, but let the Jews defend themselves against Palestinian violence and terrorism and you make vile claims about war crimes and child murder that have no basis in truth or reality. Your common sense is blinded by your hatred of the Jews and you need to be treated for it before you do something stupid.


Now show what territory Israel has stolen by force of arms, and none of your partisan ISLAMONAZI LYING SITES

 

[Phoenall]

People should blaming Israel For the Gaza War. They are just defending themselves from the Muslim terrorist creeps known as Hamas. The Palestinians are just an unfortunate people caught in the crossfire.

The Hamas Charter clearly defines the reason for this terrible war. It is because Hamas is a bunch of Muslim jihadist lunatics, hell bent on annihilating Israel. All this talk about the Palestinians and land is just a con job to gain sympathy for Hamas. They don't care a wit about the Palestinians, and they invite harm to these poor people by attacking Israel and than locating themselves and their weapons closely among the Palestinians, where they know this will get them killed. Then they blame it on Israel and seek world condemnation,

Some foolish people fall for this scam and attack Israel for the deaths of Palestinians, playing right into the hands of Hamas, who set it all up that way.

Alan M. Dershowitz: When will Gazans finally get fed up with Hamas? | National Post

Only Blame go to Israel, because Israelis are invader they are the who pushed Palestinian in to camps and took away their lively hood and continue to refuse the peace deal approved by Arab league and continue the grab Palestinian remaining land and divide Palestine in four Countries in Jordan,Lebanon,Israel and pushing Palestinian into camp by not giving their country back to Palestinian, what is all that mean. It means they don't want peace at all. Not only that in the result now these paranoid Israelis got hard liner like Hamas and Hezbollah. Who do you think blame should go?

How can they be the invaders when they have lived on the land for 4,500 years, the arab muslims can only go back 1400 years. The arab muslims had no livelihoods as they were itinerant farm worlers relying on temporary work to subsist. What peace deal by the arab league, and ask yourself if you would accept total destruction and genocide under that deal. Show what land has been stolen and were it has been taken to. Under CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW IT WAS NEVER ARAB MUSLIM LAND so the Palestinians have no legal claim to it and this they know. The UN and International Law judges have said that the land was never theirs but still offered them part of it, but being greedy they want all the land in all the world as promised by Mohamed and allah. That is were the blame lies, not with the Jews.

 

[Billo_Really]

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this ...

Are those "others", dumbass trolls, such as yourself?

Listen idiot, "conquer by conquest" has been outlawed ever since the end of WWII. It has nothing to do with any psycho-spin you want to put on it.

Conquer by Conquest:
The right of conquest is the right of a conqueror to territory taken by force of arms. It was traditionally a principle of international law which has in modern times gradually given way until its proscription after the Second World War when the crime of war of aggression was first codified in the Nuremberg Principles and then finally, in 1974, as a United Nations resolution 3314.

You cannot legally acquire land by force any more.

The completion of colonial conquest of much of the world, the devastation of World War I and World War II, and the alignment of both the United States and the Soviet Union with the principle of self-determination led to the abandonment of the right of conquest in formal international law. The 1928 Kellogg-Briand Pact, the post-1945 Nuremberg Trials, the UN Charter, and the UN role in decolonization saw the progressive dismantling of this principle.

Just so we're clear on this and how it applies to Israel...

Definition of Aggression, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3314 (XXIX).

the territory of a State shall not be violated by being the object, even temporarily, of military occupation or of other measures of force taken by another State in contravention of the Charter,

and that it shall not be the object of acquisition by another State

resulting from such measures or the threat thereof,

Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations

Any of the following acts, regardless of a declaration of war, shall, subject to and in accordance with the provisions of article 2, qualify as an act of aggression:

(a) The invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State, or any military occupation, however temporary, resulting from such invasion or attack, or any annexation by the use of force of the territory of another State or part thereof,

(b) Bombardment by the armed forces of a State against the territory of another State or the use of any weapons by a State against the territory of another State;

(c) The blockade of the ports or coasts of a State by the armed forces of another State;

(d) An attack by the armed forces of a State on the land, sea or air forces, or marine and air fleets of another State;​

Now lets review...

...you cannot hold onto land seized in a war.

Israel cannot hold onto land seized in a war.

Israel cannot hold onto the West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

Those are not "disputed" areas, according to international law, they are "occupied" areas, for the reasons listed above.

Those areas are not Israeli land, Israeli property, or Israeli ancestral whatever BS you want to make up; they do not belong to Israel, nor will they ever belong to Israel.

There are only two options on Israel's table:

1. leave
2. or get their ass kicked, just like Germany

Eventually, the world will not tolerate another pariah state, led by Nazi-Netanfuckyou.

but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless.

You really shouldn't talk about others saying "the same old stuff"!

 

[protectionist]

Now that is Mr. Hamas representative's view of this. However, there are so many who will disagree with him and they have refuted this ...

Are those "others", dumbass trolls, such as yourself?

Listen idiot, "conquer by conquest" has been outlawed ever since the end of WWII. It has nothing to do with any psycho-spin you want to put on it.

Conquer by Conquest:
The right of conquest is the right of a conqueror to territory taken by force of arms. It was traditionally a principle of international law which has in modern times gradually given way until its proscription after the Second World War when the crime of war of aggression was first codified in the Nuremberg Principles and then finally, in 1974, as a United Nations resolution 3314.

You cannot legally acquire land by force any more.
Just so we're clear on this and how it applies to Israel...

Definition of Aggression, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3314 (XXIX).

the territory of a State shall not be violated by being the object, even temporarily, of military occupation or of other measures of force taken by another State in contravention of the Charter,

and that it shall not be the object of acquisition by another State

resulting from such measures or the threat thereof,

Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations

Any of the following acts, regardless of a declaration of war, shall, subject to and in accordance with the provisions of article 2, qualify as an act of aggression:

(a) The invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State, or any military occupation, however temporary, resulting from such invasion or attack, or any annexation by the use of force of the territory of another State or part thereof,

(b) Bombardment by the armed forces of a State against the territory of another State or the use of any weapons by a State against the territory of another State;

(c) The blockade of the ports or coasts of a State by the armed forces of another State;

(d) An attack by the armed forces of a State on the land, sea or air forces, or marine and air fleets of another State;​

Now lets review...

...you cannot hold onto land seized in a war.

Israel cannot hold onto land seized in a war.

Israel cannot hold onto the West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

Those are not "disputed" areas, according to international law, they are "occupied" areas, for the reasons listed above.

Those areas are not Israeli land, Israeli property, or Israeli ancestral whatever BS you want to make up; they do not belong to Israel, nor will they ever belong to Israel.

There are only two options on Israel's table:

1. leave
2. or get their ass kicked, just like Germany

Eventually, the world will not tolerate another pariah state, led by Nazi-Netanfuckyou.

but he seems to say the same old stuff regardless.

You really shouldn't talk about others saying "the same old stuff"!

The answer to all this is simple > EXTERMINATE HAMAS!!! And all other Muslim, jihad, lunatic, idiot groups.

 

[Challenger]

You forgot to mention the Turks occupying part of Cyrus. I am sure the Cypriots would like to see the Turks all gone.

Which Cypriots, the Greek speakers or the Turkish speakers?

From your home in England, I wouldn't think it would be a long trip for you to question these Cypriots and get their feeling of things regarding the Turks. Perhaps some day you can take a longer trip and question the Tibetans how they feel about the Chinese.

As it happens I've been to both Northern and Southern Cyprus and often have interesting chats with my local kebab shop owner. Many Cypriots would like to see the Island united again, unfortunately on the Greek side there are too many nationalistic "Zionists" who want the Turkish speakers gone, despite the fact they've lived there for as long as each other and are basically the same people.

 

[Billo_Really]

The answer to all this is simple > EXTERMINATE HAMAS!!! And all other Muslim, jihad, lunatic, idiot groups.

Is that your.................FINAL SOLUTION?

 

[protectionist]

The answer to all this is simple > EXTERMINATE HAMAS!!! And all other Muslim, jihad, lunatic, idiot groups.

Is that your.................FINAL SOLUTION?

It's the ONLY solution.

 

[Challenger]

The answer to all this is simple > EXTERMINATE HAMAS!!! And all other Muslim, jihad, lunatic, idiot groups.

I suppose that's a "simple solution" for those too "simple-minded" to realise if you "exterminate" a group, you merely inspire others to take their place. Exterminate Hamas, you strengthen Islamic Jihad, exterminate Islamic Jihad, you strengthen whoever comes next in an endless cycle of extermination and creation.