Striking It Richer: The Evolution of Top Incomes in the United States

[Dubya]

nations don't have income, people do.

get back in school, you'll figure it out after you pass the second grade!

lol!

1.
a. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
b. The territory occupied by such a group of people: All across the nation, people are voting their representatives out.
2. The government of a sovereign state.
3. A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest).
4.
a. A federation or tribe, especially one composed of Native Americans.
b. The territory occupied by such a federation or tribe.

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

get back in school, you'll figure it out after you pass the second grade!

lol!

1.
a. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
b. The territory occupied by such a group of people: All across the nation, people are voting their representatives out.
2. The government of a sovereign state.
3. A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest).
4.
a. A federation or tribe, especially one composed of Native Americans.
b. The territory occupied by such a federation or tribe.

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

Yeah, that's what I never understand either. If we placate the parasites and raise taxes on the rich, do they actually think that will suddenly make their own lives better?

 

[Melvin01]

He wants his fair share of the successes of someone else.

Listen goddammit......this country was built with a progressive tax system. Back before Ronald Reagan slashed rates to the lowest they had been since the great depression and borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall there was no problem. One thing I know. People have wised up and the Republican party is history if they don't come up with some way of settling the debt without loading it onto the backs of seniors, the disabled, single mothers, the poor etc. They have been found out and the likes of Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and their rich man's schemes won't hack it any more. You people live in a world of your own and as long as some entertainer of Fox News says something you talk about it as if it were gospel........another fairy tale I don't believe.

Back before Ronald Reagan slashed rates to the lowest they had been since the great depression and borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall there was no problem.

Yeah, things were great under Jimmy Carter. LOL!

No wonder Ronald Reagan was able to fool you...he was an actor. He was also a Democrat and the president of a union during his early days. He was never a good actor but some of his B movies finally began to make some serious bucks and then he took on a new agenda.....tax reform. The problem was that he never cut his spending a dime....as a matter of fact it grew during all eight years of both he and Bush41 and quadrupled the national debt. Much of the Trillions of dollars they borrowed from foreign banks ended up in the pockets of the wealthy in the form of lower taxes. As far as the Carter years.....I bought a new Olds Cutlass Supreme and moved into new townhouse so I don't know how your boat fared but those were some of the best years of my life.

I suggest you get your shit together about Carter....the albatross around his neck was the Iranian hostage situation and Reagan had already cut a deal with them about arms before he was elected. You don't think it was a coincidence that the hostages were released the day he took office do you. Reagan got caught sending 1500 state-of-the-art ballistic missles to them and a lot more to the middle east for that matter.

Amazing how time slips away.....remember who the biggest advocate was for the invasion of Iraq?

 

[editec]

The capital class has gained a greater share of aggregate wealth for three basic reasons.


1. Increased production cost efficiences stemming from outsourcing for cheap labor offshore = greater profits

2. Production efficiences stemming from technology advancment = greater profits


(Note that neither of those first two trends give the working class any wealth generating advantage, as every cost saving efficiency naturally goes to the ownership class while at the same time reducing the need for labor, generally)

3 Dramatic decreases in capital gains taxation gives the capital class still more wealth to reinvest as now they are not being taxed on the greater profits they are enjoying because of numbers 1 and 2 above.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Wow, Do you and Melvin know each other? It sounds like you've both stood in the same Welfare and Food Stamp lines together. Why don't you idiots go to work, and quit worrying about those who are (and always will be) more financially successful than you will.

Fuck your mother you motherfuckin' putz! I went out and DID it! I'm at the top of my pay scale because I went out and got my masters plus 30 to max out. So stick your "Wanna Be Rich" Republican head back up your ass from wence it came.

Yeah, sure you did. You guys must have a script in front of you that you read from. Every time I tell one of you Marxist drones to go out and do something with your life you all come back with the same response. "Screw you! I am successful! I own my own business! I have a graduate degree! I'm at the top of my job! blah blah blah."

Amazing how many of you Trotskys are such successful people when you get called out for being the Socialist ingrate pukes you are.

I'm as successful as can be in my given profession, so blow me. See, EVERY time someone calls you right-wingers out you snap back with some communist reference at worst, liberal at best. Which proves your simple minds can't fathom that there's more than just "left" and "right." That's the simplistic world you live in, need to live in. Anything else would confuse you easily. Shit, just someone CARING for their country and not giving a damned about silly political labels, you can't fathom.

 

[Dubya]

lol!

1.
a. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
b. The territory occupied by such a group of people: All across the nation, people are voting their representatives out.
2. The government of a sovereign state.
3. A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest).
4.
a. A federation or tribe, especially one composed of Native Americans.
b. The territory occupied by such a federation or tribe.

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

A bunch of people earned. You need to work threw your recess time on this one.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

A bunch of people earned. You need to work threw your recess time on this one.

No one works harder than a Republican, I bet you didn't know that!

 

[Freewill]

Nearly 93% of the economic gains made from 2009 to 2010 went to the wealthiest 1% of Americans. "Top 1% incomes grew by 11.6% while bottom 99% incomes grew only by 0.2%. Hence, the top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery.

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/03/06-5

And the Republicans are still squeeling like a pig if anybody suggest that the rich pay a higher rate of income tax.

Ordinary working Americans are being used by the wealthy in this country and it's as obvious as them never having to worry about their kids being inconvenienced to serve in their chickenhawk wars. Medieval Serfs and Peasants had it made compared to about half the population of this country. Look at the first chart and notice the last time they were this well off:

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/03/06-5

Sounds like a testimony to failed Obama policies. Oh wait, dated information, wonder why?

 

[zeke]

lol!

1.
a. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
b. The territory occupied by such a group of people: All across the nation, people are voting their representatives out.
2. The government of a sovereign state.
3. A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest).
4.
a. A federation or tribe, especially one composed of Native Americans.
b. The territory occupied by such a federation or tribe.

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

Are you really as stupid as you write? Or just pretending?

So let me ask you this. You being the successful person you claim to be, I am sure you own a home, have a 401k, major medical policy and all those other nice little tax write off tidbits that us middle class folks have.

So which one, or would it be all, of those tax write off are you willing to give up so that the ultra wealthy can have another round of tax cuts?

Or are you willing to have your tax rates rise, so the ultra wealthy can get a bigger tax cut?

What is it that you are willing to sacrifice so that your heros the ultra wealthy, don't have to pay more taxes?

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

Are you really as stupid as you write? Or just pretending?

So let me ask you this. You being the successful person you claim to be, I am sure you own a home, have a 401k, major medical policy and all those other nice little tax write off tidbits that us middle class folks have.

So which one, or would it be all, of those tax write off are you willing to give up so that the ultra wealthy can have another round of tax cuts?

Or are you willing to have your tax rates rise, so the ultra wealthy can get a bigger tax cut?

What is it that you are willing to sacrifice so that your heros the ultra wealthy, don't have to pay more taxes?

Brace for more playbook answers. It trickles down, didn't 'cha know?

 

[Nole]

I really think we all need to rethink our approach here. Stop being so negative towards each other for crying out loud.

Here is how I see it. We tried a really cool, exciting and successful economic platform called voodoo economics or if you like, Trickle down economics. Where the rich catch massive tax breaks thus in theory allowing them to take more of what they eared and start a businesses or reinvest into what ever was making them rich in the first place. Sounds good right.

Unfortunately this sort of economic experiment backfired and come to find out the rich just kept that money that in right was already theirs. I can understand the mindset of not wanting to tax the rich as tax breaks just give them what was rightfully theirs in the first place. The problem is the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer.

Here in-lies our conundrum. The poor for the most part are not poor by choice, ever heard of the working poor? trust me, they are more than likely your neighbors or next to you in line at the store. The question is how do we help these people find a way to become successful in America as its become next to impossible for this to happen as it did in the past.

I hate to say this but government is the best place to start. The rich are not reinvesting, they haven't been since the 1980's so who does that leave with the resources that can possible help?

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

I really think we all need to rethink our approach here. Stop being so negative towards each other for crying out loud.

Here is how I see it. We tried a really cool, exciting and successful economic platform called voodoo economics or if you like, Trickle down economics. Where the rich catch massive tax breaks thus in theory allowing them to take more of what they eared and start a businesses or reinvest into what ever was making them rich in the first place. Sounds good right.

Unfortunately this sort of economic experiment backfired and come to find out the rich just kept that money that in right was already theirs. I can understand the mindset of not wanting to tax the rich as tax breaks just give them what was rightfully theirs in the first place. The problem is the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer.

Here in-lies our conundrum. The poor for the most part are not poor by choice, ever heard of the working poor? trust me, they are more than likely your neighbors or next to you in line at the store. The question is how do we help these people find a way to become successful in America as its become next to impossible for this to happen as it did in the past.

I hate to say this but government is the best place to start. The rich are not reinvesting, they haven't been since the 1980's so who does that leave with the resources that can possible help?

George HW Bush called it Voodoo Economics and still his own party not only rejects it, but embraces it. WTF?

 

[zeke]

I really think we all need to rethink our approach here. Stop being so negative towards each other for crying out loud.

Here is how I see it. We tried a really cool, exciting and successful economic platform called voodoo economics or if you like, Trickle down economics. Where the rich catch massive tax breaks thus in theory allowing them to take more of what they eared and start a businesses or reinvest into what ever was making them rich in the first place. Sounds good right.

Unfortunately this sort of economic experiment backfired and come to find out the rich just kept that money that in right was already theirs. I can understand the mindset of not wanting to tax the rich as tax breaks just give them what was rightfully theirs in the first place. The problem is the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer.

Here in-lies our conundrum. The poor for the most part are not poor by choice, ever heard of the working poor? trust me, they are more than likely your neighbors or next to you in line at the store. The question is how do we help these people find a way to become successful in America as its become next to impossible for this to happen as it did in the past.

I hate to say this but government is the best place to start. The rich are not reinvesting, they haven't been since the 1980's so who does that leave with the resources that can possible help?

Very nice sentiment. However, you can't fix stupid. And the right wingers are all stupid about this "trickle down" bull shit.

It does not seem to matter how long trickle down does not work, they still love it.

Why is that? Are rethugs such narrow minded, self righteous ass holes that they can not ever admit that one of their ideas is a failure? And move on to a better idea? Is that why they are becoming less and less important? They seem stuck in a time warp of their own making. Weird.

 

[Nole]

George HW Bush called it Voodoo Economics and still his own party not only rejects it, but embraces it. WTF?

Like Romeny, he is now not conservative enough!!! duh!

I have a problem with free handouts, I truly do. But I dont have any problem with my government helping others find goof footing in this world. If we have the resources to drip 3 Trillion in Iraq for on good reason at all, we can surly afford to start some sort of job training program. Something serious tho, not just a few weeks.

I would just ask my conservative friends this. As the middle class breaks down due to policy of the past do we just sit idle by and do nothing? FRD got us started back in the 1940's with Govt assistance and work, if things don't improve and the rich/ corporations keep dodging taxes I see little else to do. Unless someone has a better idea. Because guns and talking real loud about how much you love America is not going to fix a thing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Listen goddammit......this country was built with a progressive tax system. Back before Ronald Reagan slashed rates to the lowest they had been since the great depression and borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall there was no problem. One thing I know. People have wised up and the Republican party is history if they don't come up with some way of settling the debt without loading it onto the backs of seniors, the disabled, single mothers, the poor etc. They have been found out and the likes of Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and their rich man's schemes won't hack it any more. You people live in a world of your own and as long as some entertainer of Fox News says something you talk about it as if it were gospel........another fairy tale I don't believe.

Back before Ronald Reagan slashed rates to the lowest they had been since the great depression and borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall there was no problem.

Yeah, things were great under Jimmy Carter. LOL!

No wonder Ronald Reagan was able to fool you...he was an actor. He was also a Democrat and the president of a union during his early days. He was never a good actor but some of his B movies finally began to make some serious bucks and then he took on a new agenda.....tax reform. The problem was that he never cut his spending a dime....as a matter of fact it grew during all eight years of both he and Bush41 and quadrupled the national debt. Much of the Trillions of dollars they borrowed from foreign banks ended up in the pockets of the wealthy in the form of lower taxes. As far as the Carter years.....I bought a new Olds Cutlass Supreme and moved into new townhouse so I don't know how your boat fared but those were some of the best years of my life.

I suggest you get your shit together about Carter....the albatross around his neck was the Iranian hostage situation and Reagan had already cut a deal with them about arms before he was elected. You don't think it was a coincidence that the hostages were released the day he took office do you. Reagan got caught sending 1500 state-of-the-art ballistic missles to them and a lot more to the middle east for that matter.

Amazing how time slips away.....remember who the biggest advocate was for the invasion of Iraq?

No wonder Ronald Reagan was able to fool you...

He didn't fool me, Carter was a terrible president.

Much of the Trillions of dollars they borrowed from foreign banks ended up in the pockets of the wealthy in the form of lower taxes.

But the wealthy paid more in taxes after the rates were lowered, so that didn't result in more debt.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

A bunch of people earned. You need to work threw your recess time on this one.

Threw? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Source: Nation - definition of Nation by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

Are you really as stupid as you write? Or just pretending?

So let me ask you this. You being the successful person you claim to be, I am sure you own a home, have a 401k, major medical policy and all those other nice little tax write off tidbits that us middle class folks have.

So which one, or would it be all, of those tax write off are you willing to give up so that the ultra wealthy can have another round of tax cuts?

Or are you willing to have your tax rates rise, so the ultra wealthy can get a bigger tax cut?

What is it that you are willing to sacrifice so that your heros the ultra wealthy, don't have to pay more taxes?

You'll have to show me who on this thread said any of those write offs should be given up "so the ultra wealthy can get a bigger tax cut".

What is it that you are willing to sacrifice

Government spending. I'm willing to cut it 30%. How much are you willing to cut?

 

[zeke]

I love that claim, this group earned this percentage of the nation's income.
The nation doesn't earn a paycheck, people do.
Rich people earned too much, waaah.
If the government takes more from rich people, will that make you less of a failure? Why?

Are you really as stupid as you write? Or just pretending?

So let me ask you this. You being the successful person you claim to be, I am sure you own a home, have a 401k, major medical policy and all those other nice little tax write off tidbits that us middle class folks have.

So which one, or would it be all, of those tax write off are you willing to give up so that the ultra wealthy can have another round of tax cuts?

Or are you willing to have your tax rates rise, so the ultra wealthy can get a bigger tax cut?

What is it that you are willing to sacrifice so that your heros the ultra wealthy, don't have to pay more taxes?

You'll have to show me who on this thread said any of those write offs should be given up "so the ultra wealthy can get a bigger tax cut".

What is it that you are willing to sacrifice

Government spending. I'm willing to cut it 30%. How much are you willing to cut?

You will have to read an earlier post I made. But I will say again; I am not willing to give up anything....................unless the ultra wealthy who have enjoyed all the income gains, are taxed at a much higher rate. They (the ultra wealthy) have never had it so good, have never been able to buy so much favorable tax treatment and didn't lose anything in the financial fiasco they helped create.

If you want to give up something, just say so.

And that blanket bull shit of "cutting spending 30%" is rethugs bullshit. Specify what you want cut 30%. And if your desired cuts are at my cost, fuk that. It ain't happening.

Hope that is clear enough.

And again, if the rich get taxed more (as they should) than they are now, you can send them a check of your own money to make them, and you, feel better.

How would that work for you? You a middle class guy sending the ultra rich some of your own money. To make them and you feel better. You know, cause the ultra rich have it so hard here in America.

 

[DiamondDave]

Yeah.. how dare anyone earn more or be successful... you want what you want and you want those evil rich to pay for it for you

You are not even human... sub-human collectivist piece of shit