Supporting Kurdish independence

[Kurdistani4ever]

Nobody cares, especially because it's not going to happen.

Go do something with your life troll! Your opinion still doesn't mean sh*t. Infact, feel free to go cry for the fantasy "greater Armenia"

I have no fantasy of a greater Armenia. Armenia is a country which has managed to expand by taking Nagorno-Karabakh. The Kurds, on the other hand, are servile peasants who are reduced to bowing to Arab, Turk and Persian overlords. Pathetic really.

You obviously don't follow the news then. Peshmerga in south Kurdistan have taken control over all kurdish areas (including Kirkuk) And are ready to kick some iraqi ass. While kurds in west Kurdistan have also gained control over most of our lands.

You don't believe in democracy mate, but that's alright, we kurds will eventually gain our freedom. Everybody knows that Kurdistan will become a military super power, that's why our enemies wants to make sure, that we don't gain power. But it will come, and then people like you will keep on sh*tting their pants

By the way, i'm apologize for my comments against armenians, i'm sure not all of them are like this regime supporting scum.

 

[Meathead]

It's "even in our darkest hour" idiot.

 

[High_Gravity]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

 

[ima]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I'm waiting for all those pussies to take on Iran. What are they waiting for?

 

[Meathead]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I don't hate the Kurds. Hell, I don't even hate the Turks. However, I do not suffer fools like Kurd 1 and 2 who exaggerate and live in a PKK inspired world where young idiots will be driven to their certain death at the hands of organized armies while they themselves type from keyboards safely in the west.

 

[High_Gravity]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I'm waiting for all those pussies to take on Iran. What are they waiting for?

Irans about to get blown the fuck up by Israeli cruise missiles anyways, its best to just wait until they are finished and than take it over.

 

[High_Gravity]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I don't hate the Kurds. Hell, I don't even hate the Turks. However, I do not suffer fools like Kurd 1 and 2 who exaggerate and live in a PKK inspired world where young idiots will be driven to their certain death at the hands of organized armies while they themselves type from keyboards safely in the west.

There are plenty of people on this board supporting freedom for the Palestinians doing exactly the same thing, but those posters get praised for it.

 

[Meathead]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I don't hate the Kurds. Hell, I don't even hate the Turks. However, I do not suffer fools like Kurd 1 and 2 who exaggerate and live in a PKK inspired world where young idiots will be driven to their certain death at the hands of organized armies while they themselves type from keyboards safely in the west.

There are plenty of people on this board supporting freedom for the Palestinians doing exactly the same thing, but those posters get praised for it.

I know, they are fools too.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

It's "even in our darkest hour" idiot.

You call me an idiot because of one spelling error? You've got serious problems man, but thanks for letting me know anyway

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I don't hate the Kurds. Hell, I don't even hate the Turks. However, I do not suffer fools like Kurd 1 and 2 who exaggerate and live in a PKK inspired world where young idiots will be driven to their certain death at the hands of organized armies while they themselves type from keyboards safely in the west.

Just cuz your too scared to face turks and persians,doesn't mean you should criticize us for doing so.

 

[Meathead]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I don't hate the Kurds. Hell, I don't even hate the Turks. However, I do not suffer fools like Kurd 1 and 2 who exaggerate and live in a PKK inspired world where young idiots will be driven to their certain death at the hands of organized armies while they themselves type from keyboards safely in the west.

Just cuz your too scared to face turks and persians,doesn't mean you should criticize us for doing so.

It's impossible to face someone when you're kissing their ass.

 

[ima]

Why are so many people hating on the Kurds? let them have their freedom, what the fuck?

I'm waiting for all those pussies to take on Iran. What are they waiting for?

Irans about to get blown the fuck up by Israeli cruise missiles anyways, its best to just wait until they are finished and than take it over.

Like I said: they're pussies and their only way to independence is for someone else to do the job for them.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

I don't hate the Kurds. Hell, I don't even hate the Turks. However, I do not suffer fools like Kurd 1 and 2 who exaggerate and live in a PKK inspired world where young idiots will be driven to their certain death at the hands of organized armies while they themselves type from keyboards safely in the west.

Just cuz your too scared to face turks and persians,doesn't mean you should criticize us for doing so.

It's impossible to face someone when you're kissing their ass.

So how are we doing that?

 

[kirkuki]

The International Committee Against Disappearances (ICAD) Netherland Section has brought the Roboski massacre to the International Criminal Court.

ICAD filed a criminal complaint to the International Criminal Court in the city of Den Haag concerning on one hand the Roboski massacre which claimed the lives of 34 Kurdish civilians and on the other hand the attack on Tamils in Sri Lanka in 2009.

The criminal complaint by ICAD defined the Roboski massacre as a crime against humanity and demanded the trial of Turkish President Abdullah Gül, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Chief of Defence Nejdet Özel. ICAD also presented documents on the massacre to the ICC.

Concerning the slaughter of 40 thousand Tamils by the Sri Lanka state in 2009, ICAD Netherland Section demanded the trial of Sri Lanka President Mahinda Rajapakse, Undersecretary of Ministry of Defence Gotabaya Rajapakse and the Chief of Defence of the time Sareth Fonseca.

ICAD's criminal complaint to ICC is the second complaint on Roboski taken to the Court so far. The first appeal to the ICC was made in January of 2012, by BDP (Peace and Democracy Party) co-chairs Selahattin Demirtaş and Gültan Kışanak who demanded the ICC prosecutors to open an investigation on the massacre. In February, the Court sent a letter to BDP co-chairs, informing that their appeal is being processed.

Criminal complaint on Roboski reached International Criminal Court | ANF ENGLISH

 

[kirkuki]

Sağlık-İş Union representative Ferda Koç says Kurdish workers in Turkey suffer serious violations of rights. Photo: ANF
December 16, 2012

ANKARA,— In an interview to ANF, Democratic Society Congress (DTK) member and Dev Sağlık-İş Union representative Ferda Koç remarked that the Kurdish workers in Turkey suffer serious violations of rights. Koç says that the Kurdish workers here are treated like 'migrant workers' and that the Kurdish society's modernization under the influence of the national freedom movement has been hindering the Turkish state's economic pressures on Kurds.

Pointing out that Kurdish workers constitute a remarkable part of "unsecured workers", Koç noted that these workers mainly join Turkey's labor army not in Kurdistan but across the Turkish territory. Koç underlined that this truth meant consideration of Kurdish workers as "guest workers" or "migrant workers" and added that; "Kurdish workers in Turkey suffer from the same treatment that all guest and immigrant workers across the world are facing. The main problems they face in their works are; receiving ill-pay in return for fatal and dirty works, insults, social exclusion, criminalization, poor conditions in housing, transportation and health as well as introversion in fear of failure to hold on to the life, ghettoization and imprisonment to closed society".

Referring to the guest and immigrant workers across the world that face the same problems, Ferda Koç said that; "Those workers are true 'foreigners' in the countries where they work under these conditions, like the Turks and Yugoslavians in Germany, Mexicans and Latinos in America and Northern Africans in France. The practice of guest/foreign labor developed as people suffering from a social devastation or poverty in their own lands started to apply for temporary or premanent works in countries with better conditions. However, the situation isn't the same in respect to Kurds who are citizens of the Turkish state but are forced to work as guest and immigrant workers because of the police brutality of the state and central authority's economic devastation in Kurdistan. In other words, the state created a 'lowerest' circle from Kurdish workers by means of political violence and economic pressure.

According to Koç, who thinks 'the Kurdish issue' lives in the labour market of the working class in Turkey, Kurdish workers constitute a labor group that puts a negative pressure on "social rights" including wages, working conditions and "conditions of labor re-production". Koç said the followings; "Needy Kurdish workers who are forced to move to big cities have to work under such aggravated circumstances that they have to bear with the lowest wages, worst working environments and quite ill living and housing conditions. Without defeating this negative pressure,Kurd Net - Kurdistan News, News about Kurds and Kurdistan کورد כורדיסטן - Курдистан сети the working class in Turkey will not be able to ensure an interclass balance of forces that would enable wages and living conditions compatible with human dignity. The working class in Turkey has tried to overcome this problem by 'excluding Kurds from the society' in an unrelistic expectation that they will go back to their hometowns. The core team of workers that the organized workers' movement is grounded on has counted unsecured working as the assurance for their own privileges; a state of affairs that we shouldn't see as distinguished from the racist and exclusionist attitude of organized workers towards Kurdish workers who are one of the basic reasons for unsecured working. However, neither Kurds will go back to their hometowns nor will the cost efficient unsecured working system be able to guarantee everlasting high salary and secured work for the core team of workers."

Author Koç remarked that the Kurdish labor force should create social measures in order to become a 'durable' participant of the labor market, noting that the organized circles of the Turkish working class should give a fight against unsecured working to make sure that this formation can take place. "It is an inevitable consequence that the most fragile, the most nondurable and therefore the most inclined group to accept most brutal conditions of exploitation in labor market is made up by the people who are forced to migrate, dispossessed of their sources of income, thrown into suburbs of big cities and are treated as if they were a 'threat' in an environment completely strange to them. The 'improvement of the position of Kurds in this labor market' is therefore a must to make sure that the labor market could be organized in favour of workers. It is apparent that a series of demands under the title of the Kurdish issue should be put forward to make Kurds 'durable' participants of the labor market. In other words, such a series of demands will make new contributions to the solution of the Kurdish issue", Koç noted and said the followings concerning the situation of the class movement in the Kurdish region;

"The Kurdish National Movement for Freedom is a public movement led by socialists. However, it seems the 'national' side of the movement is still standing in the foreground as it still has made no concrete moves for the organization of Kurdish workers as a specific group in the neoliberal capitalism of Turkey, despite the suitability of all objective and some subjective circumstances. Some think the Kurdish Freedom Movement's failure to progress as a 'class movement for freedom and equality' is a consequence of the lack of a strong working class in Kurdistan. However, the great majority of the Kurdish people is now made up of workers. I believe the 'matter of national freedom' should be verbalized with class concepts and the Kurdish issue should be brought to the table as a 'proletarian issue'.

Defining the Turkish state's policy as "deprivation of industry and trade and addiction of poor people to chairty-like incomes through various means such as welfare funds and health services for the uninsured", Koç underlined that "the neoliberal governments in Turkey have turned Kurdish provinces and districts to 'Reservoir Cities' which are therefore left by their people who move to other cities or countries, such as Germany, Russia, Arab countries and recently South Kurdistan, in an effort to make the life easier by working as immigrant workers.

DTK member and Dev Sağlık-İş Union representative Ferda Koç remarked that the AKP government's policy in Kurdish cities amied to addict needy Kurds to itself by means of grants, village-guard system, illegal income networks provided for its feodal collaborators. In addicting this circle of Kurds to itself, the state is practicing methods basing on feodal family structures and religious sects. The Kurdish society's modernization under the influence of the national freedom movement is hindering the expansion of these methods more and more every passing day."

Kurdish workers in Turkey treated like foreigners

 

[HUGGY]

I don't know why but when I see the word "Kurdish" I always think of "cottage cheese".

 

[kirkuki]

A veteran British writer David Hirst says that, Kurdistan is step away from the declaration of the state, and wondered if they will be Kurds the biggest winner of the current circumstances in the region.

British author David Hirst wrote an article entitled "Arab Spring and Khrifam crisis" began his article by asking about a Kurdish state and says, "Do Kurds become the biggest winner of the Arab Spring, with the current circumstances in the region, which has shifted mostly in their favor to declare an independent state?".

He recalls the great loss suffered by the Kurds against the backdrop of Sykes-Picot agreement about 90 years ago, and then points to the political circumstances that are available thus of the Kurds as well as their continuous struggle, he says kurds took advantage of the folly of Saddam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait, in addition to the establishment of no-fly zone in KRG And they benefited from the lessons of the past, to ask themselves as equal partners in the new Iraq.

According to what was written by British author David Hirst, the Kurds are waiting for U.S. war on Iran or the fall of the regime of Bashar al-Assad in Syria to declare their independence.

And from opinion of the writer, the Kurds in Iraq will rely upon the declaration of their independence and the basis of their belief that Ankara is working to consolidate its relations with Sunni Arabs and Kurds in Iraq, they are aiming their sights towards Turkey, and they have much to offer: from economic integration to mutual security cooperation ... Only if he is convinced the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nuri al-Maliki, and allowed them to create their own state. We have started we see such attitudes from within the perimeter of al-Maliki himself. He pointed to what he wrote editor-Sabah Abdul-Jabbar carp, argues that the time has come to solve the problem of older generation among Arabs of Iraq in response, in the establishment of a Kurdish state.

The writer stressed that the Kurds and the result of circumstances and political instability, regional and international are the losers have always been a result of World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. According to Sykes - Picot of 1916 and promised Britain, France, Kurds state of their own, but Nktta that pledge, and ended up Erd they became minorities subjected to repression in a way or another in the four countries are Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria, which shared «their national home» broader.

British author says that the geopolitical reality that crammed between these four forces hostile (Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria) play always in their best interest and always happened that crushed revolutions latest of which was in the era of Saddam Hussein, who committed a massacre against using chemical weapons. However did not stop the Kurds from dream b «Independence final», and was penetration first in this direction folly committed by Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait in 1990 and the consequences geopolitical unforeseen killing them, and was the most important of the establishment of the Western alliance area international ban backed by the United Nations in the north Iraq. In this 'safe haven' laid Kurds first step in building the state, to hold parliamentary elections and the establishment of some structures of self-government.

The penetration second by what he says David Hurst, Vndjem for the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, and the resulting new constitutional order in full, is what he referred to carp, and enable the Kurds under this system of promoting this special status and autonomy, with access to more of legislative powers and control over their armed forces, as well as a degree of authority on oil, which constitute the backbone of the Iraqi economy, and that this power was still limited.

The author also says that the President of the Kurdistan region Massoud Barzani awaits U.S. war on Iran, or the collapse of the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria to declare independence Kurdish state.

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[ima]

I'm still waiting for you fucking pussy CheeseKurds to try to take a piece of Iran.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Sağlık-İş Union representative Ferda Koç says Kurdish workers in Turkey suffer serious violations of rights. Photo: ANF
December 16, 2012

ANKARA,— In an interview to ANF, Democratic Society Congress (DTK) member and Dev Sağlık-İş Union representative Ferda Koç remarked that the Kurdish workers in Turkey suffer serious violations of rights. Koç says that the Kurdish workers here are treated like 'migrant workers' and that the Kurdish society's modernization under the influence of the national freedom movement has been hindering the Turkish state's economic pressures on Kurds.

Pointing out that Kurdish workers constitute a remarkable part of "unsecured workers", Koç noted that these workers mainly join Turkey's labor army not in Kurdistan but across the Turkish territory. Koç underlined that this truth meant consideration of Kurdish workers as "guest workers" or "migrant workers" and added that; "Kurdish workers in Turkey suffer from the same treatment that all guest and immigrant workers across the world are facing. The main problems they face in their works are; receiving ill-pay in return for fatal and dirty works, insults, social exclusion, criminalization, poor conditions in housing, transportation and health as well as introversion in fear of failure to hold on to the life, ghettoization and imprisonment to closed society".

Referring to the guest and immigrant workers across the world that face the same problems, Ferda Koç said that; "Those workers are true 'foreigners' in the countries where they work under these conditions, like the Turks and Yugoslavians in Germany, Mexicans and Latinos in America and Northern Africans in France. The practice of guest/foreign labor developed as people suffering from a social devastation or poverty in their own lands started to apply for temporary or premanent works in countries with better conditions. However, the situation isn't the same in respect to Kurds who are citizens of the Turkish state but are forced to work as guest and immigrant workers because of the police brutality of the state and central authority's economic devastation in Kurdistan. In other words, the state created a 'lowerest' circle from Kurdish workers by means of political violence and economic pressure.

According to Koç, who thinks 'the Kurdish issue' lives in the labour market of the working class in Turkey, Kurdish workers constitute a labor group that puts a negative pressure on "social rights" including wages, working conditions and "conditions of labor re-production". Koç said the followings; "Needy Kurdish workers who are forced to move to big cities have to work under such aggravated circumstances that they have to bear with the lowest wages, worst working environments and quite ill living and housing conditions. Without defeating this negative pressure,Kurd Net - Kurdistan News, News about Kurds and Kurdistan کورد כורדיסטן - Курдистан сети the working class in Turkey will not be able to ensure an interclass balance of forces that would enable wages and living conditions compatible with human dignity. The working class in Turkey has tried to overcome this problem by 'excluding Kurds from the society' in an unrelistic expectation that they will go back to their hometowns. The core team of workers that the organized workers' movement is grounded on has counted unsecured working as the assurance for their own privileges; a state of affairs that we shouldn't see as distinguished from the racist and exclusionist attitude of organized workers towards Kurdish workers who are one of the basic reasons for unsecured working. However, neither Kurds will go back to their hometowns nor will the cost efficient unsecured working system be able to guarantee everlasting high salary and secured work for the core team of workers."

Author Koç remarked that the Kurdish labor force should create social measures in order to become a 'durable' participant of the labor market, noting that the organized circles of the Turkish working class should give a fight against unsecured working to make sure that this formation can take place. "It is an inevitable consequence that the most fragile, the most nondurable and therefore the most inclined group to accept most brutal conditions of exploitation in labor market is made up by the people who are forced to migrate, dispossessed of their sources of income, thrown into suburbs of big cities and are treated as if they were a 'threat' in an environment completely strange to them. The 'improvement of the position of Kurds in this labor market' is therefore a must to make sure that the labor market could be organized in favour of workers. It is apparent that a series of demands under the title of the Kurdish issue should be put forward to make Kurds 'durable' participants of the labor market. In other words, such a series of demands will make new contributions to the solution of the Kurdish issue", Koç noted and said the followings concerning the situation of the class movement in the Kurdish region;

"The Kurdish National Movement for Freedom is a public movement led by socialists. However, it seems the 'national' side of the movement is still standing in the foreground as it still has made no concrete moves for the organization of Kurdish workers as a specific group in the neoliberal capitalism of Turkey, despite the suitability of all objective and some subjective circumstances. Some think the Kurdish Freedom Movement's failure to progress as a 'class movement for freedom and equality' is a consequence of the lack of a strong working class in Kurdistan. However, the great majority of the Kurdish people is now made up of workers. I believe the 'matter of national freedom' should be verbalized with class concepts and the Kurdish issue should be brought to the table as a 'proletarian issue'.

Defining the Turkish state's policy as "deprivation of industry and trade and addiction of poor people to chairty-like incomes through various means such as welfare funds and health services for the uninsured", Koç underlined that "the neoliberal governments in Turkey have turned Kurdish provinces and districts to 'Reservoir Cities' which are therefore left by their people who move to other cities or countries, such as Germany, Russia, Arab countries and recently South Kurdistan, in an effort to make the life easier by working as immigrant workers.

DTK member and Dev Sağlık-İş Union representative Ferda Koç remarked that the AKP government's policy in Kurdish cities amied to addict needy Kurds to itself by means of grants, village-guard system, illegal income networks provided for its feodal collaborators. In addicting this circle of Kurds to itself, the state is practicing methods basing on feodal family structures and religious sects. The Kurdish society's modernization under the influence of the national freedom movement is hindering the expansion of these methods more and more every passing day."

Kurdish workers in Turkey treated like foreigners

Treated like foreigners on our own soil, by people that don't belong in this very same soil. Even after so much opression against kurds in their homeland, the world still choose to look away.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

I'm still waiting for you fucking pussy CheeseKurds to try to take a piece of Iran.

One thing at a time. The most idiotic option is attacking at the wrong moment. Now go back to your d*ck-riding on Turkey.

So are you doing better with your rep? Things like that happens, when you support the wrong people.