Supporting Kurdish independence

[Kurdistani4ever]

The Gypsies of the Middle East are demanding their own country? How quaint!

Having your homeland stolen, makes you gypsy? Perhaps you should start on showing some respect instead.

No, a Kurd has never harmed me, but they did so to my ancestors on my mother's side. Kurds were, and still are to some extent, wondering thieves who hid behind their "Islamization" to be vultures when the Christian Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians were clensed from the Turkish east. The ancestral lands you claim were never yours or even your nomadic tribes.

Cut this shit out, no one with one iota of historical knowledge will believe our your stupid maps.

Funny how i knew, you would mention that. Just cuz a few kurdish tribes joined the turks, doesn't mean all kurds are like they we're. There has been a ton of traitors that fought alongside the goverments of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria, they are hated by the real kurds too.

Our hurrians ancestors lived on these lands before you. The land we claim has always belonged to us, and we will never leave it. So keep you nomadic sh*t for yourself. After so much hate from our enemies, your words are meaningless.

Everybody knows, kurds have gained a second chance of freedom, in this changing Middle East. If your not happy with that, then i won't force you to be so.
You need to realise, that the it's not the kurds hating you, but rather the ones you want to share a border with.

 

[purearch72]

2013 the year the Kurdistan gets Independance.

 

[ekrem]

The ancestral lands you claim were never yours or even your nomadic tribes.

Cut this shit out, no one with one iota of historical knowledge will believe our your stupid maps.

It was Byzantine lands.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

2013 the year the Kurdistan gets Independance.

Only South Kurdistan. Still, it's a start.

 

[kirkuki]

The Gypsies of the Middle East are demanding their own country? How quaint!

Having your homeland stolen, makes you gypsy? Perhaps you should start on showing some respect instead.

No, a Kurd has never harmed me, but they did so to my ancestors on my mother's side. Kurds were, and still are to some extent, wondering thieves who hid behind their "Islamization" to be vultures when the Christian Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians were clensed from the Turkish east. The ancestral lands you claim were never yours or even your nomadic tribes.

Cut this shit out, no one with one iota of historical knowledge will believe our your stupid maps.

what utter BS is this ? lol in case you forgotten the so called "ottoman empire" was your Islamic empire not ours, turks went into many countries during ottomans and they raped the women, stole properties, destroyed infrastructures, killed and invaded lands, history is not too kind to your so called Mongolian ancestors, that is why to this day those lands you guys invaded still hate turks to this bones.

 

[kirkuki]

South Kurdistan is only missing a seat in UN, western Kurdistan in Syria is now building itself up thus the turkish Mongolians are shitting themselves and have started direct dialog with Mr. Ocalan the leader of Northern Kurdistan. hurry hurry turds you are about to lose a big chunk of land you have occupied to Kurds within the several upcoming years .

 

[kirkuki]

you turks are like viruses where ever you go you spread your Mongolian diseases, just remember when atagay promised kurds to give them autonomy if they supported him against armenians he then failed and lied to kurds, so basically your current borders is based on lies and thus shall not be a fixed border for good, the kurds want out there is nothing stopping them even if they have to all 40 million of them go to the mountains to make your sorry ass fake bordered state suffer for eternity, "if we cant have our stolen lands by back we will make yours a miserable one too".

just remember your fight against kurdish freedom is costing you $1 billion a year so in 100 years your peps will look back and say "fuck we are so dumb we wasted $100 billions for a land we stole via lying and eventually lost anyway".

 

[kirkuki]

The Turkish government and Kurdish separatists have reportedly agreed on a plan to end a conflict that has killed over 40,000 people in over thirty years. But there is controversy brewing over possible concessions.

The daily newspaper "Radikal" quoted senior Turkish intelligence officials following their meetings with with imprisoned Kurdistan Workers Party PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan.

The paper claimed to have information on a four-stage plan for the disarmament of Kurdish separatist fighters in exchange for increased minority rights. These would include constitutional reforms removing obstacles to Kurdish language education in Turkey, introducing an ethnically neutral definition of Turkish citizenship and the strengthening of regional administrations.

The planned "roadmap" would also involve the release from custody of thousands of people accused of links with the PKK.

There was no official confirmation of any agreement and Radikal did not name its sources.

The PKK, which was founded by Ocalan, began its armed separatist struggle in 1984. The fighting has been concentrated mainly on Turkey's southeastern region bordering Iran, Iraq and Syria but bomb attacks have also been staged in cities across Turkey.
DW.DE
Turkey reaches out to public enemy number one

There had already been reports last week of talks between Turkish government officials and Ocalan, who has been in prison since was arrested in Kenya by Turkish special forces in 1999 and brought to Turkey.

"The aim is to disarm the PKK," Yalcin Akdogan, an adviser to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Turkish broadcaster NTV last Monday, adding that this goal could not be achieved by military means alone.

The opposition CHP party in Ankara expressed support for peace talks, but the leader of the nationalist MHP was critical.

"Prime Minister Erdogan has crossed a threshold and dropped the government's anchor in the bloody port of separatist terror," the party's leader, Devlet Bahceli, said.

Prime Minister Erdogan, himself a conservative, has played down the concessions which Turkey would make to end the conflict. Ahead of presidential elections in 2014 he is under pressure to stem the violence, which is Turkey's main domestic security concern.

Violence meanwhile continued in the southeast of the country this week. Fourteen PKK fighters and a Turkish soldier were reportedly killed overnight on the border with Iraq on Wednesday.

Last year saw a rise in violence related to the Kurdish conflict after a previous round of secret peace talks initiated in 2009 with the rebel leadership ended in failure. Turkish security forces claim to have killed 1,450 Kurdish fighters in 2012.

Turkish newspaper reports roadmap for peace with Kurds | News | DW.DE | 09.01.2013

 

[ima]

So you get "increased minority rights" and have to disarm. Looks like you lost.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

So you get "increased minority rights" and have to disarm. Looks like you lost.

The only lost one is you. We as the peaceful ones would love to stop this war, if we get our "minority rights" And that includes the right to rule over ourselfes. As if we will accept a plan for peace without kurdish selfrule.
We haven't lost. Your such a donkey pile of sh*t kemalist turk.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Something just for you Ima

Dmartash: the main demand of the Kurds is to get greater autonomy

Confirmed the Kurdish Peace and Democracy party that the main demand of the Kurds in Turkey still is to get greater autonomy, pointing out that new efforts to reach a political solution looks serious.

Salahuddin Dmartash Leader of BDP on Wednesday, told Reuters, "How this autonomy will be established and what will be its components, the issue can be discussed but to say that we have given up on an autonomy is wrong."

And Dmartash said in his parliament office in Ankara "how to implement it is the only that can be changed."

Noteworthy that the secret negotiations between the Kurdistan Workers and the Turkish government and seemed largely it deviated from its course But Dmartash said recent contacts promising so far.

"I do not see this as a tactic, naive and cheap attempt from the government, it seems a more serious effort both sides now feel that there must be a solution."

Opportunities loomed end fighting since three decades between the Turkish army and the PKK in the past few weeks after the government admitted that it was in talks with PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan.

According to Turkish media reports this week that it had been agreed on a framework for a peace plan with Ocalan, but did not refer to the independence of Kurdistan or to "democratic autonomy", a concept proposed by Kurd politicians in the past.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/us-turkey-kurds-idUSBRE9080X920130109

 

[ima]

You still have no country. Pussies.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

You still have no country. Pussies.

And after a thousand years you still claim our's

As a turk you don't even know the definition of a "coward" So i hate to say it, but refusing to point your gun at civillians makes you noble. So keep on spreading your kemalist bullsh*t. But making up some fake political borders won't change reality. Kurds live on these lands, and we will never accept anything else than Kurdistan. Keep on pretending you own our extensive country, but i'm warning you, don't do it in Amed (Diyarbakir) Otherwise you WILL be screwed!

 

[ima]

You still have no country. Pussies.

And after a thousand years you still claim our's

As a turk you don't even know the definition of a "coward" So i hate to say it, but refusing to point your gun at civillians makes you noble. So keep on spreading your kemalist billsh*t. But making up some fake political borders won't change reality. Kurds live on these lands, and we will never accept anything else than Kurdistan. Keep on pretending you own our extensive country, but i'm warning you, don't do it in Amed (Diyarbakir) Otherwise you WILL be screwed!

I'm a white American. Get over it.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

You still have no country. Pussies.

And after a thousand years you still claim our's

As a turk you don't even know the definition of a "coward" So i hate to say it, but refusing to point your gun at civillians makes you noble. So keep on spreading your kemalist billsh*t. But making up some fake political borders won't change reality. Kurds live on these lands, and we will never accept anything else than Kurdistan. Keep on pretending you own our extensive country, but i'm warning you, don't do it in Amed (Diyarbakir) Otherwise you WILL be screwed!

I'm a white American. Get over it.

You turks like to play white. What's the matter? Aren't you proud of being yourself?

 

[ima]

And after a thousand years you still claim our's

As a turk you don't even know the definition of a "coward" So i hate to say it, but refusing to point your gun at civillians makes you noble. So keep on spreading your kemalist billsh*t. But making up some fake political borders won't change reality. Kurds live on these lands, and we will never accept anything else than Kurdistan. Keep on pretending you own our extensive country, but i'm warning you, don't do it in Amed (Diyarbakir) Otherwise you WILL be screwed!

I'm a white American. Get over it.

You turks like to play white. What's the matter? Aren't you proud of being yourself?

Are you jealous that I'm white?

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

I'm a white American. Get over it.

You turks like to play white. What's the matter? Aren't you proud of being yourself?

Are you jealous that I'm white?

I'm proud of being who i am

Now stick to the topix troll.

 

[kirkuki]

ignore the turkish troll please, we all know it by now .

 

[kirkuki]

this is turkish terror for ya

(Reuters) - Three female Kurdish activists including a founding member of the PKK rebel group were shot dead in Paris overnight in execution-style killings that cast a shadow over peace moves between Ankara and the guerrillas.

Dozens of riot police formed a cordon around the Information Centre of Kurdistan, an institute in central Paris with close links to the PKK where the bodies were found soon after midnight on Thursday. According to one Kurdish agency, workers broke in after seeing blood stains at the door.

Sakine Cansiz, who had promoted the role of women in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) group, and two other women appeared to have been shot in the head, a French police source said. According to Kurdish media one woman had also been shot in the stomach.

It was not immediately clear who had carried out the killings; but the PKK has seen intermittent internal feuding during an armed campaign in the mountainous Turkish southeast that has killed some 40,000 since 1984.

Turkish nationalist militants have in the past also been accused of 'extra-judicial killings' of Kurdish activists but such incidents have been confined to Turkey.

The killings came shortly after Turkey announced it had re-opened talks with Abdullah Ocalan, the PKK leader jailed on the prison island of Imrali, near Istanbul. The talks to end the conflict would almost certainly raise tensions within the movement over demands and terms of any ceasefire.

"Rest assured that French authorities are determined to get to the bottom of these unbearable acts," French Interior Minister Manuel Valls said at the scene, adding the killings were "surely an execution".

France is home to a large number of Kurds, many of them having emigrated in the 1960s and 1970s, but there is also a number of Kurdish pro-PKK exiles such as Cansiz.

Any Turkish government contacts with the PKK, deemed a terrorist group by Ankara, Washington and the EU, are highly controversial in the Turkish political establishment.

Last summer, preceding the move to talks, saw some of the worst bloodshed of the three-decades-old conflict. Television footage of soldiers' coffins returning home draped in the red Turkish flag inflame nationalist tensions.

Valls identified one of the victims as the head of the center and said homicide and anti-terrorism units had been assigned to investigate the murders. A police source confirmed their nationality as Turkish.

"This is a political crime, there is no doubt about it," Remzi Kartal, a leader of the Kurdistan National Congress, an umbrella group of Kurdish organizations in Europe, told Reuters.

"Ocalan and the Turkish government have started a peace process, they want to engage in dialogue, but there are parties that are against resolving the Kurdish question and want to sabotage the peace process," he said.

The Kurdish question has taken on a particular urgency with the rise of Kurdish groups in neighboring northern Iraq, where they control an autonomous zone, and in Syria. Turkey fears that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could encourage Kurds to feed militancy in Turkey.

An employee of the center told French broadcaster i<Tele that Cansiz was a founding member of the PKK, which is fighting for greater Kurdish autonomy in the Turkish southeast.

Many Turks fear such autonomy could stoke demands for an independent Kurdish homeland and undermine Turkey.

The Firat news agency, which is close to the group, said another victim was the Paris representative of the Brussels-based Kurdistan National Congress.

Firat said two of those killed were shot in the head and one in the stomach, and that the murder weapon was believed to have been fitted with a silencer.

"A couple of colleagues saw blood stains at the door. When they broke the door open and entered they saw the three women had been executed," French Kurdish Associations Federation Chairman Mehmet Ulker was reported as saying by Firat.

Female militants have played a significant role in the PKK's insurgency, partly reflecting a principle of equality within the group's Marxist ideology. In some cases, desire to avenge the killing of other family members was the motivation for joining, for others it was a way out of family repression, analysts say.

INTERNAL FEUD?

The government and PKK have agreed a framework for a peace plan, according to Turkish media reports, in talks which would have been unthinkable in Turkey only a few years ago. Ocalan is widely reviled by Turks who hold him responsible for a conflict that burns at the heart of the nation.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan has introduced some reforms allowing Kurdish broadcasting and some concessions on language; but activists are demanding more freedom in education and administration.

Turkish broadcasters reported police as saying the women had links to the PKK and could have been the victims of an internal feud.

A senior member of Turkey's ruling AK Party said internal feuds had occurred in the past whenever there were signs of progress towards peace.

"Whenever in Turkey we reach the stage of saying 'friend, give up this business, let the weapons be silent', whenever a determination emerges on this, such incidents happen," AK Party Deputy Chairman Huseyin Celik told reporters in Ankara.

"Is there one PKK? I'm not sure of that," he said.

Turkey's pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy (BDP) opposition party, two of whose members were allowed to pay a rare visit last week to Ocalan on the island in the Marmara Sea where he has been jailed for the last 14 years, condemned the killings.

"We call on our people to hold protest meetings wherever they are to condemn this massacre and stand up for the Kurdish people's martyrs," the party's leaders said in a statement.

Among the crowd gathered behind police lines at the Paris institute were onlookers chanting slogans and waving yellow flags bearing Ocalan's likeness.

(Additional reporting by Nicolas Bertin and Yves Clarisse in Paris; Writing by Nick Tattersall; editing by Ralph Boulton)
Female Kurdish activists including former guerrilla shot in Paris | Reuters

 

[kirkuki]

The killings happened on a street near the crowded Gare du Nord. The Kurdistan Information Centre is under continuous police control.

Three Kurdish woman activists Sakine Cans&#305;z, Fidan Do&#287;an and Leyla Söylemez were killed in Paris. The killings happened on a street near the Paris Gare du Nord, one of the most crowded and closely guarded streets in the French capital. In addition, the Kurdistan Information Centre is under continuous police control. The files of some formerly arrested Kurdish politicians had revealed the fact that the Centre had been monitored at any moment.

Fidan Do&#287;an, Paris representative of the KNK, made a telephone conversation with a friend of hers at around 13:00 on Wednesday afternoon. In her last speech on the phone, Do&#287;an says that she was still in the office and that she would be home in the evening. Do&#287;an's friends who went to her office when she didn't answer her phone till late hours in the night, saw blood shedding from under the office door. They entered and saw the dead bodies of three women: Cans&#305;z and Do&#287;an have been shot on the head and Söylemez on the head and the stomach. A silencer was used in the armed attack, according to the initial reports coming through. French police has announced that the three women fell victim to a very professional execution.

Here are some questions concerning the armed attack against the Kurdish activists;

1- The execution of three women in the 'safest' area of Paris is not an ordinary incident. The perpetrators must have been aware of this truth and acted in consideration of it.

2- Sakine Cans&#305;z was the single woman alive among the co-founders of the PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party). Cans&#305;z is a revolutionary woman known for her resistance against torture in Diyarbak&#305;r prison in the period of 12 September 1980 military coup in Turkey.

3- AKP supporter papers, such as Yeni &#350;afak, reported the news as an internal execution, yet before an official statement has been made by French police or autopsy has been performed on the victims. This is a point worthy of consideration.

4- Why did the attack target women and those in Europe? The fact that Sakine Cans&#305;z was a woman co-founder of the PKK shows that the attack was aimed at the ideological spirit of the organization. From this point of view, the killings were obviously carried out on the basis of a professionally planned purpose. The news the Turkish media has reported using as a source the state Anadolu Ajans&#305; (Anatolian News Agency) give clues as to how the incident will be discussed from now on.

5- The killing of ten Kurdish guerrillas and three senior European officials of the PKK came following the statements of Turkish Prime Minister Erdo&#287;an who had said that “We will arrest you wherever we find you”. It seems both attacks are a follow-up of this statement.