Supreme Court: 2nd amendment applies to states as well

[Oddball]

You mean those laws that the SC keeps shooting down as unconstitutional?

Show me where the SC said you can buy a 50 cal machine gun. Show me where they said you can buy armor piercing rounds, silencers or machine pistols

Ohio Ordnance Works KGI, Knesek Guns - International Distributor of the Finest Firearms

You can buy anything that you want.

Cool...Can I even get an MG-42?

 

[Tech_Esq]

You mean those laws that the SC keeps shooting down as unconstitutional?

Show me where the SC said you can buy a 50 cal machine gun. Show me where they said you can buy armor piercing rounds, silencers or machine pistols

Ohio Ordnance Works KGI, Knesek Guns - International Distributor of the Finest Firearms

You can buy anything that you want.

The link takes you to a page that says it's restricted to government purchases.

But, on a brighter note, I was looking for a place I could get ammo for my M242 Bushmaster 25mm cannon, so thanks for that

Seriously though, if you want full auto, you probably need a class III license. I don't think it's required though. You just need enough arms to "storm the Bastille" and take the government's weapons. It's a lot easier if you have military grade weapons, but the Romanians did it without, the French did it without, you can do it, just a lot more people die.

 

[CMike]

Why is that liberals lie, and don't want to admit that that they are liberals?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How interesting that a conservative court is using liberal concept of incorporation. This was an issue that was best left to states' rights, but the court has decreed a monumental statist decision. Who knew the conservatives were secret collectivists?

Another idiot that ignores the Constitution.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

That is the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United Sates. It quite clearly states that all rights guaranteed in the Constitution cannot be restricted by the sates.

Another point, taking power away from a state is not statist.

Yup, I find it interesting you arguing as a liberal for this point. Yes, it is statist, and now you are a collectivist. Do you agree that the court had the right to impose Roe on the states.

Roe does not exist in the Constitution. They made it up.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Show me where the SC said you can buy a 50 cal machine gun. Show me where they said you can buy armor piercing rounds, silencers or machine pistols

Ohio Ordnance Works KGI, Knesek Guns - International Distributor of the Finest Firearms

You can buy anything that you want.

Cool...Can I even get an MG-42?

I didn't see that but there was a sweet AR-10 with a suppressor on there. I guess that's in case you live in the same neighborhood as that McDonald guy and you need to do some sniping on a regular basis.

 

[CMike]

Why don't the states rightsers want to repeal the 2nd amendment and let the states decide how to regulate guns?

Because the 2nd Amendment is a consitutional rights, unlike the leftist made up constitutional rights, i.e. abortion.

 

[Jeremy]

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I do believe that making silencers illegal would infringe on a states right to a regulated militia. What if silencers were needed, by said militia, for that states security?

 

[rightwinger]

I don't care.

I was asked what I thought should be restricted. I still think there is no legal reason to own a silencer. If you are defending yourself or your family there is no reason nobody should hear it

How about hearing protection, what they were originally designed for? Or do we not get to protect our hearing?

 

[GunsBeerFreedom]

The link takes you to a page that says it's restricted to government purchases.

But, on a brighter note, I was looking for a place I could get ammo for my M242 Bushmaster 25mm cannon, so thanks for that

Seriously though, if you want full auto, you probably need a class III license. I don't think it's required though. You just need enough arms to "storm the Bastille" and take the government's weapons. It's a lot easier if you have military grade weapons, but the Romanians did it without, the French did it without, you can do it, just a lot more people die.

You don't "need" any sort of license for anything other than post 86 dealer sample machine guns.

 

[GunsBeerFreedom]

Because I'm going to put muffs on in the middle of the night if someone breaks into my house. Yeah, that's prudent alright.

 

[rightwinger]

Why is that liberals lie, and don't want to admit that that they are liberals?

Why do door to door salesmen lie and not admit that they own an Amway empire?

 

[rightwinger]

Because I'm going to put muffs on in the middle of the night if someone breaks into my house. Yeah, that's prudent alright.

For christs sake....at least put on a robe!

 

[GunsBeerFreedom]

Because I'm going to put muffs on in the middle of the night if someone breaks into my house. Yeah, that's prudent alright.

For christs sake....at least put on a robe!

Sure, right after my intruder has heard a stern rebuttal to their unwanted entry from my FS2000.

 

[daveman]

"But as a progressive, I would sooner lay my child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime."

Jaw dropping.

Indeed. What kind of asshole would sacrifice his child for his politics?

Oh, yeah...a progressive asshole.

Hey, progressive asshole, someday your child's going to read that and hate you. And I don't blame him.

 

[daveman]

How interesting that a conservative court is using liberal concept of incorporation. This was an issue that was best left to states' rights, but the court has decreed a monumental statist decision. Who knew the conservatives were secret collectivists?

It's referred to as being "hoist on your own petard".

In common vernacular nowadays, "You (the "liberals") blew yourself up with your own bomb."

Sucks, huh?

You do realize, don't you, that the Second takes precedence over the 10th, right?

No, doesn't look like you do. Well, guess what? Today's decision says it does.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I agree wholeheartedly tha the 2nd Amendment protects our right to own and bear arms.

I also happen to believe as a solid centrist that SCOTUS use of incorporation is absolutely correct in extending the protection to the states. I also know that it is a statist procedure.

Anybody who argues that it is not statist is ignorant, mentally feeble, or malignant.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How interesting that a conservative court is using liberal concept of incorporation. This was an issue that was best left to states' rights, but the court has decreed a monumental statist decision. Who knew the conservatives were secret collectivists?

It's referred to as being "hoist on your own petard".

In common vernacular nowadays, "You (the "liberals") blew yourself up with your own bomb."

Sucks, huh?

You do realize, don't you, that the Second takes precedence over the 10th, right?

No, doesn't look like you do. Well, guess what? Today's decision says it does.

ah, daveman, the secret statist, once again fulfills the meaning of my signature line.

 

[daveman]

Why is that liberals lie, and don't want to admit that that they are liberals?

Because some years ago, people realized that liberalism is a failure. Rather than rethink their philosophy, they merely repackaged it. Same tired crap, shiny new package!

 

[daveman]

I agree wholeheartedly tha the 2nd Amendment protects our right to own and bear arms.

I also happen to believe as a solid centrist that SCOTUS use of incorporation is absolutely correct in extending the protection to the states. I also know that it is a statist procedure.

Anybody who argues that it is not statist is ignorant, mentally feeble, or malignant.

As a solid centrist (pfft! -- right), you're woefully ignorant of the Constitution. It's been shown to you repeatedly that rights specifically enumerated cannot be left to the states.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I agree wholeheartedly tha the 2nd Amendment protects our right to own and bear arms.

I also happen to believe as a solid centrist that SCOTUS use of incorporation is absolutely correct in extending the protection to the states. I also know that it is a statist procedure.

Anybody who argues that it is not statist is ignorant, mentally feeble, or malignant.

As a solid centrist (pfft! -- right), you're woefully ignorant of the Constitution. It's been shown to you repeatedly that rights specifically enumerated cannot be left to the states.

Incorporation is a fact, and your argument against it is unfactual. So you believe in incorporation, thus my libertarian fraud, you are a statist. Next.